DeMarcus Cousins Down - WOJ - Torn Achilles Confirmed - Out for the Season

lambchop · Post #321 » by **lambchop** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:44 pm

red96 wrote:
Tiesto_Lakers wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:WOW, What the hell the Pels done to deserve this?

Let it go whinny Laker fans. The Pelicans owners vetoed the trade. It was a terrible deal in the long-term for New Orleans and was never happening.

It's crazy how two of those players wouldnt even have been able to play. Lamar Kardashian started breaking down and Royce White already broke down. The Pels could get more value right now giving Anthony Bennett a super max

DoItALL9 · Post #322 » by **DoItALL9** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:58 pm

lambchop wrote:
red96 wrote:
Tiesto_Lakers wrote:
Let it go whinny Laker fans. The Pelicans owners vetoed the trade. It was a terrible deal in the long-term for New Orleans and was never happening.

It's crazy how two of those players wouldnt even have been able to play. Lamar Kardashian started breaking down and Royce White already broke down. The Pels could get more value right now giving Anthony Bennett a super max

True but Dragiç arguably could've been an all star this season plus Kevin Martin retired with more good production to still give, imo

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kodo · Post #323 » by **kodo** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:12 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:What other centers have had this injury besides Shaq who retired afterwards?

Ewing tore his Achilles and quickly declined, but he was already 36, much older than Cousins. He was already declining even before the achilles.

dc · Post #324 » by dc » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:41 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:What other centers have had this injury besides Shaq who retired afterwards?

Stanley Roberts tore his achilles when he was relatively young. He was pretty much done after that, though a lot of that might have to do with never having much of a work ethic.

Kings2013 · Post #325 » by **Kings2013** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:44 pm

Hate to mention it as well, but one of the reasons the Kings didn’t feel comfortable giving him that supermax after this year is it’s hard to put all your eggs in the basket of a big framed ball player like this. He had already experienced feet issues beforehand. It’s a lot of weight in today’s paced NBA.

I can’t see him getting the max. He will get that for maybe three years

HeartBreakKid · Post #326 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:47 pm

lambchop wrote:
red96 wrote:
Tiesto_Lakers wrote:
Let it go whinny Laker fans. The Pelicans owners vetoed the trade. It was a terrible deal in the long-term for New Orleans and was never happening.

It's crazy how two of those players wouldnt even have been able to play. Lamar Kardashian started breaking down and Royce White already broke down. The Pels could get more value right now giving Anthony Bennett a super max

Not really, if they had kept Goran Dragic it would have been better then what they actually got.

New Orleans ended up getting Eric Gordon who wasn't good in NO, and was worse than Goran Dragic was during those years.

New Orleans got a draft pick in the trade with CP3, but wasted it on Austin Rivers who sucks.

So really, Goran Dragic alone would have made the trade better for NO then what actually ended up happening. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

red96 · Post #327 » by **red96** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:02 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
lambchop wrote:
red96 wrote:Let it go whinny Laker fans. The Pelicans owners vetoed the trade. It was a terrible deal in the long-term for New Orleans and was never happening.

It's crazy how two of those players wouldnt even have been able to play. Lamar Kardashian started breaking down and Royce White already broke down. The Pels could get more value right now giving Anthony Bennett a super max

Not really, if they had kept Goran Dragic it would have been better then what they actually got.

New Orleans ended up getting Eric Gordon who wasn't good in NO, and was worse than Goran Dragic was during those years.

New Orleans got a draft pick in the trade with CP3, but wasted it on Austin Rivers who sucks.

So really, Goran Dragic alone would have made the trade better for NO then what actually ended up happening. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

And no AD. Regardless of what Pelicans management did afterwards, none of those guys are or ever were more valuable to a franchise than AD. Owners said no, so no trade happens. Not really all that unusual, it's just that it happens to a spoiled as s#!+ fanbase so now they won't stop crying about it.

HeartBreakKid · Post #328 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:11 pm

red96 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
lambchop wrote:
It's crazy how two of those players wouldnt even have been able to play. Lamar Kardashian started breaking down and Royce White already broke down. The Pels could get more value right now giving Anthony Bennett a super max

Not really, if they had kept Goran Dragic it would have been better then what they actually got.

New Orleans ended up getting Eric Gordon who wasn't good in NO, and was worse than Goran Dragic was during those years.

New Orleans got a draft pick in the trade with CP3, but wasted it on Austin Rivers who sucks.

So really, Goran Dragic alone would have made the trade better for NO then what actually ended up happening. Hindsight is 20/20 though.
And no AD. Regardless of what Pelicans management did afterwards, none of those guys are or ever were more valuable to a franchise than AD. Owners said no, so no trade happens. Not really all that unusual, it's just that it happens to a spoiled as s#!+ fanbase so now they won't stop crying about it.

Well, chances are they would still be a lotto team. As for whether they would have won the lotto, who knows? It wasn't likely they would get AD either way.

Pass_the_rock · Post #329 » by **Pass_the_rock** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:17 pm

Is it time to pick up Asik for fantasy bball?

HeartBreakKid · Post #330 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:28 pm

Pass_the_rock wrote:Is it time to pick up Asik for fantasy bball?

Your team can't be that bad that Asik would actually help, can it?

teerfour+40LG · Post #331 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:16 am

As someone who watched DeMarcus all his years in SAC and wanted to grow old watching him here,

This is wrong. This is really wrong.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #332 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:34 am

The more I think about it, the more I blame Demps for this

Bologna Smasher · Post #333 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:44 am

Sucks to see happen. Was never a big fan of Cousins even when he was with the Kings, but wanted to see the Pelicans make some noise in the playoffs.

Post #334 » by **og15** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:57 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
red96 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
Not really, if they had kept Goran Dragic it would have been better then what they actually got.

New Orleans ended up getting Eric Gordon who wasn't good in NO, and was worse than Goran Dragic was during those years.

New Orleans got a draft pick in the trade with CP3, but wasted it on Austin Rivers who sucks.

So really, Goran Dragic alone would have made the trade better for NO then what actually ended up happening. Hindsight is 20/20 though.
And no AD. Regardless of what Pelicans management did afterwards, none of those guys are or ever were more valuable to a franchise than AD. Owners said no, so no trade happens. Not really all that unusual, it's just that it happens to a spoiled as s#!+ fanbase so now they won't stop crying about it.

Well, chances are they would still be a lotto team. As for whether they would have won the lotto, who knows? It wasn't likely they would get AD either way.

Yup, odds were low either way, but they got lucky, and in the NBA, you always take your luck and run. 1997 draft, Duncan the clear cut #1, if SA got the #2 pick, even if they pass on KVH and take Billups for example and develop him, it's not the same. The other top 5 options were Antonio Daniels and Tony Battie. They would still be good, very good, but Billups is not carrying a franchise for many many years like Duncan did.

Even teams who draft young players who make them just good enough too quickly. The guys who are not just very talented young guys, but high impact ones. Yea, it's awesome to have a really good young player that is already impacting but it screws up your ability to stack more cheap top talent around him. There are definitely teams who are better then others and put themselves in position to succeed more, and teams who just waste everything, but many times, luck is a differentiating factor.

Post #335 » by **og15** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:59 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
Pass_the_rock wrote:Is it time to pick up Asik for fantasy bball?

Your team can't be that bad that Asik would actually help, can it?

Is that the plan for New Orleans as opposed to just going with Davis at C and a small 4?

Alonzo_Morning · Post #336 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:09 pm

og15 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
Pass_the_rock wrote:Is it time to pick up Asik for fantasy bball?

Your team can't be that bad that Asik would actually help, can it?

Is that the plan for New Orleans as opposed to just going with Davis at C and a small 4?

Yeah Cunningham will probably start now at the 4. LeSigh

Green89 · Post #337 » by **Green89** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:53 pm

Has there ever been a player to suffer this kind of injury and either maintain or better their pre-injury stats?

lambchop · Post #338 » by **lambchop** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:35 pm

Green89 wrote:Has there ever been a player to suffer this kind of injury and either maintain or better their pre-injury stats?

Dominique Wilkins
Statistics before injury: Averaged 28.1 points on 46.4 percent shooting in 1991-92 season
Statistics after injury: Averaged 29.9 points on 46.8 percent shooting in 1992-93 season; played seven more seasons and made two more NBA All-Star appearances

hoophabit · Post #339 » by **hoophabit** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:48 pm

Never been a Cousins fan, just because of his glaring petulance. However, it's sad to see anyone suffer injury. I wouldn't write him off. He's a good athlete in the context of being a big. It's not like he's a guard whose game is predicated on his remarkable quickness. His rebounding, passing, and shooting will remain. Hoping for the best possible recovery.

Post #340 » by **Wolfay** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:53 pm

I really hated seeing that. Admittedly I haven't watched much of him this year, but it seemed like he was finally taking that next step and morphing into the player the Kings wanted him to be, but couldn't in our town.

I'm confident he'll come back though.