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Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28

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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#121 » by DaleyBlind » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:23 am

Josh Jackson going 0-13 is pretty impressive.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#122 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:41 am

RIP Janaury Jackson stats.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#123 » by JMac1 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:49 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:RIP Janaury Jackson stats.


:lol: he was due to have a bad game......a really bad game. It’s all good. Hopefully those get few and far between.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#124 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:58 am

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Revived wrote:Josh Jackson 0-13....Triano has to hold his players accountable. After a certain point, he should’ve sat Jackson or told him to stop shooting the *****ing ball and just pass instead.

The Suns have lost like 5 in a row all in such pathetic fashion.

Triano is better as an assistant than a head coach. McD better do interviews with others instead of being lazy and just going with the interim full time like he did with Watson.

I agree he probably should have sat Jackson and that we should do a thorough HC interview process but to say Triano hasn't held his players accountable is just not true. Triano benched a healthy JJ about 10 games ago because he wasn't playing smart basketball and JJ has come back with what's probably the best stretch of his young career. Triano played Ulis 2min in this game because he clearly isn't an NBA player at this point and he's been said in multiple interviews that young players will be held accountable if they aren't playing the right way.

I'm going to bet JJ will get another talking to and potentially play less minutes in the next game (assuming we have the players to cover his absence). Triano might not be the best coach in the world but he's certainly done many things right.


Yeah, I earlier said that Triano has impressed me enough and that even though I knew there would likely be some tough losses ahead due to the schedule it wouldn't change my stance on him. But watching some of these recent blowouts have been tough and it is hard not to waver, but he still has done so many things right. We came into the season with two 40+ pt losses in our first three games, and that was with a real point guard. We have such a crap roster it's really hard to judge. I can't see Pop or many others doing much with this roster at this point. Part of that is due to youth with Jackson and the PFs, and overall, he's helped Jackson improve...actually all of them...Bender, despite many people quick to judgement on what he can't do, has improved in many ways...and Chriss did as well after a tough start.

I don't know what coach might do better and I think it might be good to try and hire Igor Koskosgov, and retain Triano as an assistant but I don't know.

I think the Fizdale hype is ridiculous though. The guy was an assistant on LeBron's team, but he wasn't great with Memphis and pissed off the players...Memphis certainly didn't get better when he took over and he lasted a little over a year.

Others need to be interviewed but I don't know exactly who might be good with this squad. I do think Triano might do well with an offseason to work with and having a team with more experience...most of our players are either 21 or younger or over the hill. Tough to win much with that.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#125 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:29 am

Triano is an alright coach and maybe should get shot some place but this franchise NEEDS some new blood and some smart folks with no attachment to this group to come in with a fresh perspective. I would love a full house cleaning but at the very least we need a new coaching staff. We need someone to take a honest look at this group and try to figure out what's salvageable. Hell they have two years to figure out chriss and bender before they hit FA. Might as well try something different.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#126 » by Puff » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:08 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Point Booker worked well.

January Jackson did not.


So one draft pick in 5 years as our GM is worth a crap.

Do we want our future tied to this guy?

Hasn't he made enough mistakes?

Why in the world should I or anyone trust him to make good decisions this summer?
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#127 » by darealjuice » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 am

Puff wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Point Booker worked well.

January Jackson did not.


So one draft pick in 5 years as our GM is worth a crap.

Do we want our future tied to this guy?

Hasn't he made enough mistakes?

Why in the world should I or anyone trust him to make good decisions this summer?


Considering the last 3 picks are 20 years old and the 2 after that are both averaging 20 points per game, I'd say you're being extremely overdramatic. You'd have to try pretty hard to find a point guard and center worse than our current situations.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#128 » by Revived » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:25 am

Puff wrote:
Revived wrote:Josh Jackson 0-13....Triano has to hold his players accountable. After a certain point, he should’ve sat Jackson or told him to stop shooting the *****ing ball and just pass instead.

The Suns have lost like 5 in a row all in such pathetic fashion.

Triano is better as an assistant than a head coach. McD better do interviews with others instead of being lazy and just going with the interim full time like he did with Watson.


Maybe just maybe if McDonough would have built at better roster via:
1. The Draft
2. Free Agency
3, Trades

Triano would be a better coach.

I think Triano should interview the next GM prior to accepthing another contract, he deserves better. I would be excited about the off season if that were to happen. If we fire Triano and let McDonough select another coach, we are morons.

I would be cool with them demoting Triano to assitant head coach and letting McDonough go.

If I had to pick one between Triano and McDonough, yeah I’m picking Triano.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#129 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:27 am

darealjuice wrote:
Puff wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Point Booker worked well.

January Jackson did not.


So one draft pick in 5 years as our GM is worth a crap.

Do we want our future tied to this guy?

Hasn't he made enough mistakes?

Why in the world should I or anyone trust him to make good decisions this summer?


Considering the last 3 picks are 20 years old and the 2 after that are both averaging 20 points per game, I'd say you're being extremely overdramatic. You'd have to try pretty hard to find a point guard and center worse than our current situations.
Isn't that supportive of the notion that perhaps McD isn't really a good GM?
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#130 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:29 am

Revived wrote:
Puff wrote:
Revived wrote:Josh Jackson 0-13....Triano has to hold his players accountable. After a certain point, he should’ve sat Jackson or told him to stop shooting the *****ing ball and just pass instead.

The Suns have lost like 5 in a row all in such pathetic fashion.

Triano is better as an assistant than a head coach. McD better do interviews with others instead of being lazy and just going with the interim full time like he did with Watson.


Maybe just maybe if McDonough would have built at better roster via:
1. The Draft
2. Free Agency
3, Trades

Triano would be a better coach.

I think Triano should interview the next GM prior to accepthing another contract, he deserves better. I would be excited about the off season if that were to happen. If we fire Triano and let McDonough select another coach, we are morons.

I would be cool with them demoting Triano to assitant head coach and letting McDonough go.

If I had to pick one between Triano and McDonough, yeah I’m picking Triano.

I agree. Coaches are easier to fire without a major disruption to future plans. Firing GM's might not mean a whole new direction but could mean a completely different approach, for good or for bad.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#131 » by darealjuice » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:41 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:
Puff wrote:
So one draft pick in 5 years as our GM is worth a crap.

Do we want our future tied to this guy?

Hasn't he made enough mistakes?

Why in the world should I or anyone trust him to make good decisions this summer?


Considering the last 3 picks are 20 years old and the 2 after that are both averaging 20 points per game, I'd say you're being extremely overdramatic. You'd have to try pretty hard to find a point guard and center worse than our current situations.
Isn't that supportive of the notion that perhaps McD isn't really a good GM?
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If you want it to be sure? But the reality is that we could upgrade at any time, and if anything he’s smart for not blowing our load on some random stop gap or unrealistic option to win meaningless games like this board clamors for every day.

I’m not saying he’s perfect either lol, but I’m tired of all the over dramatic people that come out of the woodworks and **** on our rebuild because a couple 20 year olds don’t play well every night. We haven’t even tried making a win-now move since chasing LMA 2 years ago, no **** we’re not winning games.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#132 » by Funky Tut » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:04 am

Revived wrote:
Puff wrote:
Revived wrote:Josh Jackson 0-13....Triano has to hold his players accountable. After a certain point, he should’ve sat Jackson or told him to stop shooting the *****ing ball and just pass instead.

The Suns have lost like 5 in a row all in such pathetic fashion.

Triano is better as an assistant than a head coach. McD better do interviews with others instead of being lazy and just going with the interim full time like he did with Watson.


Maybe just maybe if McDonough would have built at better roster via:
1. The Draft
2. Free Agency
3, Trades

Triano would be a better coach.

I think Triano should interview the next GM prior to accepthing another contract, he deserves better. I would be excited about the off season if that were to happen. If we fire Triano and let McDonough select another coach, we are morons.

I would be cool with them demoting Triano to assitant head coach and letting McDonough go.

If I had to pick one between Triano and McDonough, yeah I’m picking Triano.



Yep, the MCD luster is wearing off, this team still sucks balls and here we are in the lotto yet again and quite a playoff drought for this franchise. Believe me, I would love to get a top 5 pick, and its looking very realistic at this point because you're going to get an absolute stud top 5. MCD time is up, we need new blood, I'd like Triano to remain on staff but I want a legit HC at this point.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#133 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:50 am

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Revived wrote:
Puff wrote:
Maybe just maybe if McDonough would have built at better roster via:
1. The Draft
2. Free Agency
3, Trades

Triano would be a better coach.

I think Triano should interview the next GM prior to accepthing another contract, he deserves better. I would be excited about the off season if that were to happen. If we fire Triano and let McDonough select another coach, we are morons.

I would be cool with them demoting Triano to assitant head coach and letting McDonough go.

If I had to pick one between Triano and McDonough, yeah I’m picking Triano.



Yep, the MCD luster is wearing off, this team still sucks balls and here we are in the lotto yet again and quite a playoff drought for this franchise. Believe me, I would love to get a top 5 pick, and its looking very realistic at this point because you're going to get an absolute stud top 5. MCD time is up, we need new blood, I'd like Triano to remain on staff but I want a legit HC at this point.


As far as a top 5 pick, who knows? Our next five games are against teams that look to be out of the playoffs...most at the very bottom of the standings. We have beaten most of those, which obviously hurts the draft picks but looks good for Triano beating teams with more talent...or more experience. We beat Memphis twice by two points and they look like they are trying to tank already, announcing they are shutting Conley down who sounded like he was about ready to come back. It would likely be best for us long term if we competed and looked good but lost but then the right draft pick would have to be made...and it could be a better pick later as it has been in the past, but this draft seems better than than many in a while..I know that is said often but really it was only said last year considering the last few drafts.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#134 » by sunsbum » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:04 am

McD has made some mistakes, but I mean 86% of the trades thrown around on this board with conviction are complete garbage, could we honestly do better? Danny Ainge apparently tried to make an all time stupid trade, what was it 6 firsts for the number 9 pick? They wanted Justice fricking winslow. You know what saved him? Another terrible owner named Michael Jordan who wanted Frank Kaminsky. How different would the Celtics be? Danny would be jobless right about now. Oshley and Chow have made awful FA moves for their teams (chow was with the blazers now with the hornets, Oshley took over as Blazers GM) I could go on for pages.

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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#135 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:11 am

Last 14 drafts the most All-Stars in the top 7 has been 3.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#136 » by Damkac » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:16 am

Puff wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Point Booker worked well.

January Jackson did not.


So one draft pick in 5 years as our GM is worth a crap.

Do we want our future tied to this guy?

Hasn't he made enough mistakes?

Why in the world should I or anyone trust him to make good decisions this summer?

20-5 wing is not worth a crap? :roll:
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#137 » by thamadkant » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:26 am

Damn Josh!, that FG% for january will take a hit.

With that said...


Again, I strongly feel the coaching is POOR...

I watch good teams a lot and one thing I notice is, when the other team shoots... 3 players or more boxes out to secure the rebound.

The Suns?... NOPE... but you do see Chandler and maybe Chriss or sometimes one of the guards battle for a rebound, almost clashing mid air...




Just Poor discipline. Also, Jackson should have been told to stop shooting after 7-8 misses in a row... or told to get to the line instead... but nope.

Just the little coaching things that can make a game more competitive are missing from Triano... I think he's an assistant at best.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#138 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:27 am

Anyone have video of Jackson's 0-13?

He has improved his FTs though @ 73% in the last 15 games (25 of 34).
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#139 » by thamadkant » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:28 am

And is Ulis done with this team?


Wow, so bad... like he lost a testicle or something during the off season... he's just so bad now.
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Re: Game 50: Phoenix Suns (17-32) at Houston Rockets (34-13), Sunday, Jan 28 

Post#140 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:37 am

Any queries about Warren and Booker playing 40 minutes on the first of a B2B?

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