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2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#1221 » by Knicksfan20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:52 am

Knickstape1214 wrote::lol:


What’s funny is you would trade Lee for a bunch of garbage who won’t be on the team next season.

Grant is not good and on a 1 year deal.
Josh is trash on a 1 year deal
Abrines is not good bad defender on 2 years. No better then Dotson.
Singler is trash on a 3 year deal.

2 late seconds? So basically your giving the rights to an undrafted FA?

Na man. Lee has more value then that garbage. I’d rather Keep Lee for his locker room presence/leadership then trade him for that garbage package. It’s garbage. Trash.

If they don’t want to give a first or a better prospect, we can shop him elsewhere.
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Post#1222 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:56 am

Knicksfan20 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote::lol:


What’s funny is you would trade Lee for a bunch of garbage who won’t be on the team next season.

Grant is not good and on a 1 year deal.
Josh is trash on a 1 year deal
Abrines is not good bad defender on 2 years. No better then Dotson.
Singler is trash on a 3 year deal.

2 late seconds? So basically your giving the rights to an undrafted FA?

Na man. Lee has more value then that garbage. I’d rather Keep Lee for his locker room presence/leadership then trade him for that garbage package. It’s garbage.


I just thought how easy you make it seem to trade and the convo to be funny. I also think you overvalued Lee, but I wasn’t laughing at that. Chill, dude. Like I said yesterday, I don’t think locker room presence is needed at the moment and don’t think it’s worth holding onto him for that. Praying some team gets desperate enough is IMO not worth it just because of the lack of firsts thrown into trades recently.

Dunno how you felt about this team going into the year, but I always wanted it to be a developmental year and I still do. Maybe that’s where our differences lie.

Anyway, to each his own. Didn’t mean for the emoji to get you riled up if it did.
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Post#1223 » by Knicksfan20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:06 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote::lol:


What’s funny is you would trade Lee for a bunch of garbage who won’t be on the team next season.

Grant is not good and on a 1 year deal.
Josh is trash on a 1 year deal
Abrines is not good bad defender on 2 years. No better then Dotson.
Singler is trash on a 3 year deal.

2 late seconds? So basically your giving the rights to an undrafted FA?

Na man. Lee has more value then that garbage. I’d rather Keep Lee for his locker room presence/leadership then trade him for that garbage package. It’s garbage.


I just thought how easy you make it seem to trade and the convo to be funny. I also think you overvalued Lee, but I wasn’t laughing at that. Chill, dude. Like I said yesterday, I don’t think locker room presence is needed at the moment and don’t think it’s worth holding onto him for that. Praying some team gets desperate enough is IMO not worth it just because of the lack of firsts thrown into trades recently.

Dunno how you felt about this team going into the year, but I always wanted it to be a developmental year and I still do. Maybe that’s where our differences lie.

Anyway, to each his own. Didn’t mean for the emoji to get you riled up if it did.


Wouldn’t be the first or second time u hinted at a post of mine being “stupid” so I’m sure you could understand where a laugh emoji after my post could be taken poorly.

I wanted this year to be a rebuild year as well. Trade everything/everyone. But Oquinn/Lee/Beasley should all be worth something. These 3 guys could really help a playoff team . OKC is starving for a bench big and a starting SG. Just so happens we have arguably a top 5 bench big in Oquinn and a very quality 2 way player and top 3pt shooter in Courtney Lee.

I know I can’t force OKC to trade us a first or Ferg, but that’s what it’s gotta be if we gunna do business. At least 6-10 other teams could use these guys, they could both be on your team or we find a better trade with San Antonio or Houston.
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Post#1224 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:16 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:
What’s funny is you would trade Lee for a bunch of garbage who won’t be on the team next season.

Grant is not good and on a 1 year deal.
Josh is trash on a 1 year deal
Abrines is not good bad defender on 2 years. No better then Dotson.
Singler is trash on a 3 year deal.

2 late seconds? So basically your giving the rights to an undrafted FA?

Na man. Lee has more value then that garbage. I’d rather Keep Lee for his locker room presence/leadership then trade him for that garbage package. It’s garbage.


I just thought how easy you make it seem to trade and the convo to be funny. I also think you overvalued Lee, but I wasn’t laughing at that. Chill, dude. Like I said yesterday, I don’t think locker room presence is needed at the moment and don’t think it’s worth holding onto him for that. Praying some team gets desperate enough is IMO not worth it just because of the lack of firsts thrown into trades recently.

Dunno how you felt about this team going into the year, but I always wanted it to be a developmental year and I still do. Maybe that’s where our differences lie.

Anyway, to each his own. Didn’t mean for the emoji to get you riled up if it did.


Wouldn’t be the first or second time u hinted at a post of mine being “stupid” so I’m sure you could understand where a laugh emoji after my post could be taken poorly.

I wanted this year to be a rebuild year as well. Trade everything/everyone. But Oquinn/Lee/Beasley should all be worth something. These 3 guys could really help a playoff team . OKC is starving for a bench big and a starting SG. Just so happens we have arguably a top 5 bench big in Oquinn and a very quality 2 way player and top 3pt shooter in Courtney Lee.

I know I can’t force OKC to trade us a first or Ferg, but that’s what it’s gotta be if we gunna do business. At least 6-10 other teams could use these guys, they could both be on your team or we find a better trade with San Antonio or Houston.


How can San Antonio or Houston use Lee? It also feels like the Spurs rarely make in season trades...which is true after a quick google search.
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Post#1225 » by Knicksfan20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:25 pm

Forgot Green was signed with Houston. San Antonio could use him despite them historically not making in season trades. Maybe they aren’t the most perfect fits, was basically just naming off playoff teams. Lee is a great role player that could help a lot of teams.

OKC is a perfect fit though for us. Cleveland as well. Could package Lee/Oquinn/Jack in a package deal, take on trash and get a late first.
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Post#1226 » by NoLayupRule » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:53 pm

Okc is a perfect landing spot for our guys, yes, but less than ideal for what’s coming back

Houston might be the only team that thinks they have a chance at beating gsw so they are probably the only team looking for tweaks. But I don’t see them coming for Lee or kyle.

Boston in the east continues to have a win now attitude but again probably won’t be trading with us.

Clev might but they don’t have anything of value besides Frye and he’s going for a bigger fish I think

So we might get lucky with det but I suspect Lee and kyle play out the year here
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Post#1227 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:03 pm

Avery Bradley on the trade block. I'm a huge fan of this guy who plays both sides of the ball and does it top notch on the defensive side.
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Post#1228 » by Jeffrey » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:10 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:Avery Bradley on the trade block. I'm a huge fan of this guy who plays both sides of the ball and does it top notch on the defensive side.


Same here. We're not getting a superstar in FA. the best thing we can do is a get a guy that can play both sides of the ball and that's Avery Bradley. A bit undersized but Frank is 6'6.

Imagine a starting back up with Bradley and Frank for the next 5 years. That's a top 5 backcourt defense right there. Both can shoot the 3. Bradley can be a VERY solid no.2 or 3 option.

I would try to make a trade to get Bradley's bird rights and sign an extension. We can't sign Bradley in FA unless we make some serious moves to get Noah off the books.
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Post#1229 » by Newyorknick94 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:15 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Avery Bradley on the trade block. I'm a huge fan of this guy who plays both sides of the ball and does it top notch on the defensive side.


Same here. We're not getting a superstar in FA. the best thing we can do is a get a guy that can play both sides of the ball and that's Avery Bradley. A bit undersized but Frank is 6'6.

Imagine a starting back up with Bradley and Frank for the next 5 years. That's a top 5 backcourt defense right there. Both can shoot the 3. Bradley can be a VERY solid no.2 or 3 option.

I would try to make a trade to get Bradley's bird rights and sign an extension. We can't sign Bradley in FA unless we make some serious moves to get Noah off the books.

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Post#1230 » by nyJnyKnyY » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:43 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Avery Bradley on the trade block. I'm a huge fan of this guy who plays both sides of the ball and does it top notch on the defensive side.


Same here. We're not getting a superstar in FA. the best thing we can do is a get a guy that can play both sides of the ball and that's Avery Bradley. A bit undersized but Frank is 6'6.

Imagine a starting back up with Bradley and Frank for the next 5 years. That's a top 5 backcourt defense right there. Both can shoot the 3. Bradley can be a VERY solid no.2 or 3 option.

I would try to make a trade to get Bradley's bird rights and sign an extension. We can't sign Bradley in FA unless we make some serious moves to get Noah off the books.


This sucks for our hopes of trading Lee. He’s a younger/better version of Lee. ****


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Post#1231 » by spree2kawhi » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:57 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Avery Bradley on the trade block. I'm a huge fan of this guy who plays both sides of the ball and does it top notch on the defensive side.


Same here. We're not getting a superstar in FA. the best thing we can do is a get a guy that can play both sides of the ball and that's Avery Bradley. A bit undersized but Frank is 6'6.

Imagine a starting back up with Bradley and Frank for the next 5 years. That's a top 5 backcourt defense right there. Both can shoot the 3. Bradley can be a VERY solid no.2 or 3 option.

I would try to make a trade to get Bradley's bird rights and sign an extension. We can't sign Bradley in FA unless we make some serious moves to get Noah off the books.

Hes gonna be asking for 20 mil per no thank you

He's worth it. Problem is, between KP and Hardaway there still might not be enough go-to-scoring skills and you can't rely on Bradley for any of that. That's a huge problem with such a backcourt anyway

However, the line up of Frank, Bradley, Hardaway, X (Beasley), KP is intriguing and might just be good enough defensively to survive. They might as well suck at both ends if KP remains as volatile as he is right now. But that concerns any line up in question.
I think Bradley is a good player, a good enough shooter, but not an ideal fit. He's worth 20 mil and I'd do it. I would certainly not trade for him though.
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Post#1232 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:19 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Avery Bradley on the trade block. I'm a huge fan of this guy who plays both sides of the ball and does it top notch on the defensive side.


Same here. We're not getting a superstar in FA. the best thing we can do is a get a guy that can play both sides of the ball and that's Avery Bradley. A bit undersized but Frank is 6'6.

Imagine a starting back up with Bradley and Frank for the next 5 years. That's a top 5 backcourt defense right there. Both can shoot the 3. Bradley can be a VERY solid no.2 or 3 option.

I would try to make a trade to get Bradley's bird rights and sign an extension. We can't sign Bradley in FA unless we make some serious moves to get Noah off the books.

Hes gonna be asking for 20 mil per no thank you



$20 mil per or close to it and that's where the problem is in getting him. If he was that last piece type cause we were already a playoff team then i could see going out and getting him but unfortunately we're not that team and he just doesn't fit what we're trying to do. Even if we did try to trade for him i don't think we could outbid what other teams will offer for him. I can see Clev going for him instead of G.Hill who they're supposedly pretty deep in discussions on getting.
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Post#1233 » by Juco24 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:32 pm

Just me... but I'd rather use that money on Hood if given the option between the two
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Post#1234 » by Jeffrey » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:19 pm

Man some of you guys are so off on the new CBAs payline for the players.

Sueprstars, All Stars and sometimes fringe All star players are getting max or near to it. They are most likely option no.1 or 2 on most teams.

Starters are getting a range around 15-25 mil per year now

top flight 6th man - probably 10-15 mill

Good role players up to 10 million

And here you guys are ... hoping for lowball offers in FA. That's not how FA works, almost all FAs are overpaid.

If you see Avery Bradley as a no.2 or 3 option. 20 million per year seems right. This is on top of him being a solid 18ppg scorer with above average 3 point game and top-flight defense.
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Post#1235 » by tleikheen » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:27 pm

Right now I see :

Trey Burks (PG) ,25 y o
Frank Ntilikina,(PG/SG),19 y o
Tim Hardaway Jr (SG) 25 y o
Michael Beasley (SF/PF), 29 y o
Kristaps Porzingas (PF/C),22 y o
Enes Kanter (C),25 y o

as keepers ,everyone else up for trades,

getting Rodney Hood (SG/SF) 25 y o would be perfect for the Knicks

This could be Utah Jazz of the East with Kanter,Burke and Hood all 1st round draft choices of the Jazz
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Post#1236 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:28 pm

tleikheen wrote:Right now I see :

Trey Burks (PG) ,25 y o
Frank Ntilikina,(PG/SG),19 y o
Tim Hardaway Jr (SG) 25 y o
Michael Beasley (SF/PF), 29 y o
Kristaps Porzingas (PF/C),22 y o
Enes Kanter (C),25 y o

as keepers ,everyone else up for trades,

getting Rodney Hood (SG/SF) 25 y o would be perfect for the Knicks


:lol: at the bold. Can't wait until Kanter is gone.

Jury is out on BURKE.
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Post#1237 » by tleikheen » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:32 pm

at the bold. Can't wait until Kanter is gone.

Jury is out on BURKE.


So far what you wanted hasn't worked out for you as far as Kanter is concerned......seems like it will be a bullet to your gut if he stays as NY's Center for now and the future.
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Post#1238 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:35 pm

tleikheen wrote:Right now I see :

Trey Burks (PG) ,25 y o
Frank Ntilikina,(PG/SG),19 y o
Tim Hardaway Jr (SG) 25 y o
Michael Beasley (SF/PF), 29 y o
Kristaps Porzingas (PF/C),22 y o
Enes Kanter (C),25 y o

as keepers ,everyone else up for trades,

getting Rodney Hood (SG/SF) 25 y o would be perfect for the Knicks

This could be Utah Jazz of the East with Kanter,Burke and Hood all 1st round draft choices of the Jazz



I was one of the guys that thought E.Kanter was gonna be great for us and could keep the starting job and be a good starter for us and got better on defense..................that was after about a month and a half or 2 months into the season.......i don't think any of that anymore and want him gone before this trade deadline is gone. I still think he'd be one of, if not the best backup center in the league but don't want that to be with the Knicks. I'm good with all the other players mentioned and would add D.Dotson to the list and only keep Beasley for the right price, which would have to be a cheap price.
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Post#1239 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:37 pm

tleikheen wrote:
at the bold. Can't wait until Kanter is gone.

Jury is out on BURKE.


So far what you wanted hasn't worked out for you as far as Kanter is concerned......seems like it will be a bullet to your gut if he stays as NY's Center for now and the future.

:lol:

I have the Knicks' best interests at heart, not some player. :wink:
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Post#1240 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:59 pm

Spending big now could be a big mistake. We already have too much money tied up into players who aren’t stars. We need to build thru the draft, look for free agent bargains and then fill in the gaps later in free agency or try to sign a max cat a few years later when we are in better shape.
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