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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1541 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:02 pm

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The FBI’s top brass initiated conversations with a White House official that were quickly leaked to CNN, according to a new book.

Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe asked to speak privately with White House chief of staff Reince Priebus following a February 2017 intelligence briefing. The scene is described in “Media Madness,” Howard Kurtz’s new book on the press and its relationship with the Trump administration. McCabe said he asked for the meeting to tell Priebus that “everything” in a New York Times story authored by Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo was “bullsh-t.”

The story was yet another one of those anonymous “bombshells” you’ve heard so much about during the Trump era. It was headlined “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence” and was sourced to not one, not two, not three, but four “current and former American officials.” It was just like every other similar story Americans have read or seen in the past year — no indication that the three reporters had verified, much less seen, the underlying evidence, but lots of threatening language insinuating treasonous collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, all sourced to high-ranking but anonymous officials.

CNN’s Pamela Brown, Jim Sciutto, and Evan Perez reported a very similar story, also sourced to anonymous officials. Sciutto is a former Obama administration appointee who is close to Obama administration officials. Perez has extensive ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat-funded firm that created the Russia narrative.

McCabe claimed to want Priebus to know the FBI’s perspective that this story was not true. Priebus pointed to the televisions that were going non-stop on the story. He asked if the FBI could say publicly what he had just told him. McCabe said he’d have to check, according to the book.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1542 » by Dat2U » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:06 pm

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The FBI’s top brass initiated conversations with a White House official that were quickly leaked to CNN, according to a new book.

Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe asked to speak privately with White House chief of staff Reince Priebus following a February 2017 intelligence briefing. The scene is described in “Media Madness,” Howard Kurtz’s new book on the press and its relationship with the Trump administration. McCabe said he asked for the meeting to tell Priebus that “everything” in a New York Times story authored by Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo was “bullsh-t.”

The story was yet another one of those anonymous “bombshells” you’ve heard so much about during the Trump era. It was headlined “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence” and was sourced to not one, not two, not three, but four “current and former American officials.” It was just like every other similar story Americans have read or seen in the past year — no indication that the three reporters had verified, much less seen, the underlying evidence, but lots of threatening language insinuating treasonous collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, all sourced to high-ranking but anonymous officials.

CNN’s Pamela Brown, Jim Sciutto, and Evan Perez reported a very similar story, also sourced to anonymous officials. Sciutto is a former Obama administration appointee who is close to Obama administration officials. Perez has extensive ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat-funded firm that created the Russia narrative.

McCabe claimed to want Priebus to know the FBI’s perspective that this story was not true. Priebus pointed to the televisions that were going non-stop on the story. He asked if the FBI could say publicly what he had just told him. McCabe said he’d have to check, according to the book.


Just curious. Have you ever vetted the sources you cite? Your quick to call mainstream sites fake news but won't hesitate to post material from sites that have no credibility whatsoever.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1543 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:13 pm

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If you vote D you are a baby killer. If you vote R you are a racist. A spade is a spade.


To me, this is a very different point, though. Generally, Ds haven't exactly been pro abortion in the sense that they want to increase how many there are and how many women decide to have abortions. They want to make them accessible in cases where women feel the have no other choice. I've seen a lot more willingness to give on the pro-choice side of things than the pro-life side of things in the abortion debate, but sides have dug in as the pro-life side hasn't budged an inch and doesn't seem at all interested in anything but a ban, as though bans are somehow effective, like prohibition, the war on drugs, etc. It doesn't mean bans can't work sometimes in conjunction with other programs. That said, I don't feel the Ds have been particularly strong at presenting a social case for helping those who feel distressed, although there it really comes down to the debate, and that kind of policy historically hasn't played well on the pro-life side of things.

So I where are they supposed to cave, exactly, and find another way? With pro-life, there is very clearly another way besides lining up with all the other stuff you claim not to believe in whatsoever. With intolerance, lining yourself up with the anti-racism camp means lining up with greater incompetence, but the flip side is that to not participate only potentially makes the incompetence even worse.

I don't see this as a "both sides" issue and I think saying as much is a bit of a cop out. I think you can look at both parties individually. You don't have to look at a serial killer and someone who punched somebody in the face at random and say they're both bad people and leave it at that. You can look at both cases individually. With the Democrats, they're clearly an amalgamation of a lot of groups that don't really like each other or believe that strongly in each others' causes but join in because their cause is represented, and the ensuing mismanagement barring a captivating leader to shut them all up at the same time is predictable. With the Republicans you have something else entirely. A person very well can think to themselves that it's better to avoid mismanagement even if it comes with all the other stuff, too, but if that's the case, they really do need to own that, at the very least, they don't think those other issues are all that bad given they'd prefer to let them be if it means avoiding trying to build more effective management as an alternative.

And while compromise makes sense, it isn't always true. Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement isn't looked upon too kindly by the annals of history. And Woodrow Wilson took a rather strong no-compromise approach, too, back in the day.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1544 » by cammac » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:13 pm

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The FBI’s top brass initiated conversations with a White House official that were quickly leaked to CNN, according to a new book.

Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe asked to speak privately with White House chief of staff Reince Priebus following a February 2017 intelligence briefing. The scene is described in “Media Madness,” Howard Kurtz’s new book on the press and its relationship with the Trump administration. McCabe said he asked for the meeting to tell Priebus that “everything” in a New York Times story authored by Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo was “bullsh-t.”

The story was yet another one of those anonymous “bombshells” you’ve heard so much about during the Trump era. It was headlined “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence” and was sourced to not one, not two, not three, but four “current and former American officials.” It was just like every other similar story Americans have read or seen in the past year — no indication that the three reporters had verified, much less seen, the underlying evidence, but lots of threatening language insinuating treasonous collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, all sourced to high-ranking but anonymous officials.

CNN’s Pamela Brown, Jim Sciutto, and Evan Perez reported a very similar story, also sourced to anonymous officials. Sciutto is a former Obama administration appointee who is close to Obama administration officials. Perez has extensive ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat-funded firm that created the Russia narrative.

McCabe claimed to want Priebus to know the FBI’s perspective that this story was not true. Priebus pointed to the televisions that were going non-stop on the story. He asked if the FBI could say publicly what he had just told him. McCabe said he’d have to check, according to the book.


Just curious. Have you ever vetted the sources you cite? Your quick to call mainstream sites fake news but won't hesitate to post material from sites that have no credibility whatsoever.


You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1545 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:14 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
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The FBI’s top brass initiated conversations with a White House official that were quickly leaked to CNN, according to a new book.

Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe asked to speak privately with White House chief of staff Reince Priebus following a February 2017 intelligence briefing. The scene is described in “Media Madness,” Howard Kurtz’s new book on the press and its relationship with the Trump administration. McCabe said he asked for the meeting to tell Priebus that “everything” in a New York Times story authored by Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo was “bullsh-t.”

The story was yet another one of those anonymous “bombshells” you’ve heard so much about during the Trump era. It was headlined “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence” and was sourced to not one, not two, not three, but four “current and former American officials.” It was just like every other similar story Americans have read or seen in the past year — no indication that the three reporters had verified, much less seen, the underlying evidence, but lots of threatening language insinuating treasonous collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, all sourced to high-ranking but anonymous officials.

CNN’s Pamela Brown, Jim Sciutto, and Evan Perez reported a very similar story, also sourced to anonymous officials. Sciutto is a former Obama administration appointee who is close to Obama administration officials. Perez has extensive ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat-funded firm that created the Russia narrative.

McCabe claimed to want Priebus to know the FBI’s perspective that this story was not true. Priebus pointed to the televisions that were going non-stop on the story. He asked if the FBI could say publicly what he had just told him. McCabe said he’d have to check, according to the book.


To summarize: according to Howard Kurtz and Mollie Hemmingway, two respected veteran journalists, McCabe initiated a meeting with Priebus specifically to tell him that the recent New York Times report about collusion was "bullsh-t". Priebus, understandably, asked if McCabe would tell the media. McCabe responds by saying he'd have to check. McCabe then leaks to the media that Priebus was pressuring the FBI to refute a media report.

And, I'll reiterate that McCabe's wife was given $550,000 by Clinton crony Terry McCauliff.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1546 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:15 pm

Dat2U wrote:Just curious. Have you ever vetted the sources you cite? Your quick to call mainstream sites fake news but won't hesitate to post material from sites that have no credibility whatsoever.

Howard Kurtz has no credibility whatsoever? Mollie Hemmingway has no credibility whatsoever?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1547 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:18 pm

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The FBI’s top brass initiated conversations with a White House official that were quickly leaked to CNN, according to a new book.

Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe asked to speak privately with White House chief of staff Reince Priebus following a February 2017 intelligence briefing. The scene is described in “Media Madness,” Howard Kurtz’s new book on the press and its relationship with the Trump administration. McCabe said he asked for the meeting to tell Priebus that “everything” in a New York Times story authored by Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo was “bullsh-t.”

The story was yet another one of those anonymous “bombshells” you’ve heard so much about during the Trump era. It was headlined “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence” and was sourced to not one, not two, not three, but four “current and former American officials.” It was just like every other similar story Americans have read or seen in the past year — no indication that the three reporters had verified, much less seen, the underlying evidence, but lots of threatening language insinuating treasonous collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, all sourced to high-ranking but anonymous officials.

CNN’s Pamela Brown, Jim Sciutto, and Evan Perez reported a very similar story, also sourced to anonymous officials. Sciutto is a former Obama administration appointee who is close to Obama administration officials. Perez has extensive ties to Fusion GPS, the Democrat-funded firm that created the Russia narrative.

McCabe claimed to want Priebus to know the FBI’s perspective that this story was not true. Priebus pointed to the televisions that were going non-stop on the story. He asked if the FBI could say publicly what he had just told him. McCabe said he’d have to check, according to the book.


Just curious. Have you ever vetted the sources you cite? Your quick to call mainstream sites fake news but won't hesitate to post material from sites that have no credibility whatsoever.


sources are no longer relevant. The left needs to stop hiding behind their "established media" smoke screen. Just because CNN has been around forever does not mean that it is not one of the most biased news sources on the planet.

This entire scam is coming to a head as we speak. IG report coming out soon. Full congressional house intel committee memo coming out. there is a vote today. Senate intel committee report coming out.

At best FBI was playing politics in the last election. It.is.clear.as.day. At worst there was/is an ongoing attempted coup of our government orchestrated by the FBI and obama administration DOJ. My guy instinct tells me the worst case scenario went down. My brain tells me that the current administration understand how damaging that will be to the american public and will cover it up as a few bad apples just playing politics.

per sources Fox news is reporting that ANDREW MCCABE HAS BEEN REMOVED. So there you go. "few bad apples" explanation will follow in the week/months to come.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1548 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:19 pm

cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1549 » by cammac » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 pm

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cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.

About as compelling as your theories on race!!!!
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Post#1550 » by closg00 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:26 pm

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cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.


Fortunately, Mueller will be the arbiter of all of the facts and he is holding those facts close to his chest. Flynn & Manafort sang, and this worries Nunes and Fox News foot soldiers who are busy throwing mud in-advance of Mueller's next indictment. Watch Mueller, not the Republican smear campaign.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1551 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:38 pm

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cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.

About as compelling as your theories on race!!!!


this from the guy who admitted he married a racist. literally 2 pages ago. you can look it up. :lol: he'll be here all week, folks. seriously. all week. :lol: :lol: I'm just messing with you cammac. you are alright in my book and I'm happy you helped change her views on that by exposing her to more diverse people. But you should be more careful of the stones you cast in that glass house.

.............you know.............when i was watching the grammy's last night........and i have always loved music...i was watching to see who was going to try to do or say something uniting. like a modern day bob marley. deal with issues but do so in a uniting way. In that regard i was very pleased with what Bruno Mars had to say at the end. Mars had a message of unification.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1552 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:42 pm

closg00 wrote:
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cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.


Fortunately, Mueller will be the arbiter of all of the facts and he is holding those facts close to his chest. Flynn & Manafort sang, and this worries Nunes and Fox News foot soldiers who are busy throwing mud in-advance of Mueller's next indictment. Watch Mueller, not the Republican smear campaign.


yeah. this aint going to happen. dont get me wrong. the hyenas and vultures will chew on this bone for as long as they can. but this bone has just about been fully knawed. its about gone. the lion has the carcass up in the white house. and its going to enjoy this carcass fully. and right in front of you. for as long as it can.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1553 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:08 pm

closg00 wrote:
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cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.


Fortunately, Mueller will be the arbiter of all of the facts and he is holding those facts close to his chest. Flynn & Manafort sang, and this worries Nunes and Fox News foot soldiers who are busy throwing mud in-advance of Mueller's next indictment. Watch Mueller, not the Republican smear campaign.

You are assuming that Mueller is impartial. The guy is a long time friend of both Comey and McCabe. I'm not prepared to accuse Mueller of any wrongdoing just yet, but I'm not ruling it out either.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1554 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:08 pm

cammac wrote:
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cammac wrote:You are missing the point SD20 pukes out any right wing conspiracy he can find the more incredible the better. He is nothing more than a bot.

LOL at calling this a conspiracy theory. It's not going to work.

About as compelling as your theories on race!!!!

Yeah, that's relevant here. :roll:
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Post#1555 » by gtn130 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

nate33 wrote:You are assuming that Mueller is impartial. The guy is a long time friend of both Comey and McCabe. I'm not prepared to accuse Mueller of any wrongdoing just yet, but I'm not ruling it out either.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1556 » by gtn130 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:31 pm

nate33 wrote:You are assuming that Mueller is impartial. The guy is a long time friend of both Comey and McCabe. I'm not prepared to accuse Mueller of any wrongdoing just yet, but I'm not ruling it out either.


Nate, buddy, you're actually the one assuming he's NOT impartial because you really want things to be one way, but they're the other way.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1557 » by Pointgod » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:46 pm

cammac wrote:You aren't a racist but you have absolutely no cohesion to any of your arguments and seem obsesses with the far right. Your views go from communist philosophy at one point to capitalist greed in the next sentence.
Maybe you could learn from the posters you admonish and others like popper and dckingfan and moderate your prattle.


I wouldn't even bother to waste time responding to SD20. The guy is obviously a loon.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1558 » by cammac » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:47 pm

Voter Fraud is Alive and Well!
As the GOP redefines words like disgusting, fascism, dishonesty, crazy…, they’re on a real roll when it comes to hypocrisy. In what might be one of the most severe sentences for voter fraud ever handed out, the former chair of the GOP Republican party in Colorado who was convicted of voter fraud in December, barely escaped a jail sentence when he couldn’t keep his mouth shut in front of the judge.


When the birds come to roost actually loved his dotard defense.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/29/1736807/-Ex-GOP-CO-Chair-Sentenced-To-4-Years-300-Hours-Service-For-Wait-For-It-Voter-Fraud
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Post#1559 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:51 pm

cammac wrote:Voter Fraud is Alive and Well!
As the GOP redefines words like disgusting, fascism, dishonesty, crazy…, they’re on a real roll when it comes to hypocrisy. In what might be one of the most severe sentences for voter fraud ever handed out, the former chair of the GOP Republican party in Colorado who was convicted of voter fraud in December, barely escaped a jail sentence when he couldn’t keep his mouth shut in front of the judge.


When the birds come to roost actually loved his dotard defense.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/29/1736807/-Ex-GOP-CO-Chair-Sentenced-To-4-Years-300-Hours-Service-For-Wait-For-It-Voter-Fraud

I fully support an effort to investigate and eliminate voter fraud in every state in the union. Do you?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1560 » by cammac » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:57 pm

nate33 wrote:
cammac wrote:Voter Fraud is Alive and Well!
As the GOP redefines words like disgusting, fascism, dishonesty, crazy…, they’re on a real roll when it comes to hypocrisy. In what might be one of the most severe sentences for voter fraud ever handed out, the former chair of the GOP Republican party in Colorado who was convicted of voter fraud in December, barely escaped a jail sentence when he couldn’t keep his mouth shut in front of the judge.


When the birds come to roost actually loved his dotard defense.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/29/1736807/-Ex-GOP-CO-Chair-Sentenced-To-4-Years-300-Hours-Service-For-Wait-For-It-Voter-Fraud

I fully support an effort to investigate and eliminate voter fraud in every state in the union. Do you?

Yes and I support independent redistricting and voting laws that don't hinder the voting rights of minorities. DO YOU?

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