Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[JayMKE]

Joakim is no Horford, I think Henson gives more at this point. Not sure why you'd want a guy who just tried to fight his coach,

[DingleJerry]

Yea now way we should give up our one useful big for a guy who hasn't been able to play in a few years now. Noah is done.

[Wonka]

Lol at anyone who would even consider Noah and his contract even if he was HEALTHY. That dude is more than done

[ackypoo]

Lol at anyone who would even consider Noah and his contract even if he was HEALTHY. That dude is more than done

we have some undesireable contracts as well, if we could bring back another asset such as a knicks 1st rounder, it might raise my interest.

[Ron Swanson]

Only way I take on Noah's contract is if Ntilikina or the Knicks' unprotected 1st is coming back in the deal. Our cap situation isn't really that bad. Don't know why people think it is.

[ackypoo]

Only way I take on Noah's contract is if Ntilikina or the Knicks' unprotected 1st is coming back in the deal. Our cap situation isn't really that bad. Don't know why people think it is.

delly and mirza saves them roughly 5 million dollars.

would we be better with noah than those 2 contracts?

[Ron Swanson]

Only way I take on Noah's contract is if Ntilikina or the Knicks' unprotected 1st is coming back in the deal. Our cap situation isn't really that bad. Don't know why people think it is.

delly and mirza saves them a roughly 5 million dollars.

would we be better with noah than those 2 contracts?

Not really. I mean, Noah's done and he's far and away the worst contract in the league IMO. I don't see us being any worse though. It'd all be about the asset we get in return.

[M-C-G]

What do you guys think of Henson + Delly for Noah. Noah is only a year older than Horford... maybe Noah can turn it around.


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I think Noah might be more motivated here but I just read an article listing the top 10 bad contracts in the league, and I think he was in the top 3, so you need to be compensated a lot more than just off loading Henson and Delly in my mind;

Getting a bit crazy here but;

CLE: Delly
NYK: Henson, Shump, Vaughn
OKC: Snell
MKE: Noah, Grant, Ferguson, Patterson, Willy, NYK 2nd

PG: Bledsoe, Brogdon, Jet
SG: Brown, Ferguson, KilPatrick
SF: Khris, Parker, Grant
PF: Giannis, Patterson, Wilson
C: Willy, Noah, Thon

I think I would look at what I could then do with Mirza, not sure where to slot him in. If Noah can be remotely decent, this makes you a pretty deep team. Also NYK might have to add in a first or some other combo of picks, just spitballing here.

[Chuck Diesel]

Thon to New Orleans for their 2018 first & salary filler.

[HurricaneKid]

I post this fairly regularly but I will do so again:

WE CANNOT TRADE MIRZA.

We are the only team that can get an injury exclusion for Mirza (not be on our cap sheet and have insurance pay his salary):

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

So PLEASE, if for no other reason than to make sure a fellow Bucks fan doesn't have their head explode, stop shoehorning him into deals. He won't, can't, and shouldn't be traded given the PE issues that are going to end his career.

[thomchatt3rton]

Yeah I think paying Marc Gasol for the remaining 2 & a half years on his contract is a much safer bet than whatever Jabari's going to get.

Or 1.5 years if he opts out (he probably wouldn't opt out at age 36 though I guess- unless he decides to chase a championship by joining a contender or something).

He'd do wonders for us- huge impact- on both sides of the ball though thats for sure.

You worry about his age a bit though don't you? On the one hand, a lot of his game should age well- it's based on smarts and shooting touch and skill. On the other hand, if his mobility goes off a cliff, you potentially have a big liability defensively.

[DingleJerry]

Henson's contract isn't really even bad at the moment. 9.5 next and 8.7 the year after. He's been more than adequate this year and earning it. This backup C thing should be able to fixed so much cheaper/easier than taking on Noah's contract. If anything Noah might get bought out and you can have him for nothing if you want to take a flyer on him. He hasn't been able to play in years though.

[ackypoo]

Spoiler:

I post this fairly regularly but I will do so again:

WE CANNOT TRADE MIRZA.

We are the only team that can get an injury exclusion for Mirza (not be on our cap sheet and have insurance pay his salary):

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

So PLEASE, if for no other reason than to make sure a fellow Bucks fan doesn't have their head explode, stop shoehorning him into deals. He won't, can't, and shouldn't be traded given the PE issues that are going to end his career.

any chance of him being cleared to play in the offseason? i dont really know that much about what hes going through. do we know for sure hes done?

[xTitan]

Never thought I'd say this but I don't wanna trade John Henson right now.

I don't really either. Henson has been great.

I'd trade Henson in a second for the right deal.

[HurricaneKid]

Gasol has been a train wreck this season. Career worst FG%, 3 pt% down to 33.7%, career low 2pt%. He was never the most fit but I think its evident he is well past his prime at this point and is making REAL $$$ (50M the next two years). I think our goal is to compete for a title in 2 years and I don't think he does ANYTHING to help that timeline.

[Dante80]

If you trade Henson you need two centers.

[DingleJerry]

I post this fairly regularly but I will do so again:

WE CANNOT TRADE MIRZA.

We are the only team that can get an injury exclusion for Mirza (not be on our cap sheet and have insurance pay his salary):

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

So PLEASE, if for no other reason than to make sure a fellow Bucks fan doesn't have their head explode, stop shoehorning him into deals. He won't, can't, and shouldn't be traded given the PE issues that are going to end his career.

From what I read there, he still technically can be traded. Correct me if I read it wrong. The other team just can't get the opt out of the money on the cap like we can. So then he's just like how many other countless dead/bad contracts that have been traded through the years of guys who aren't going to play.

Him only having one year left on his deal makes him the contract other teams would want most, that's why he gets thrown into deals. Also, it's not like the Bucks get out of paying money, it just comes off the cap. Though I'd guess there's a chance an insurance company might be paying the money. I'm no expert on that though, maybe even the team trading for him could get the perk of the insurance on the contract paying it. But again yea it would still count on their cap.

Having the opinion that the Bucks can save that 10 mil in cap and therefore shouldn't trade him is different than saying he can't be traded. But if you need his contact to matchup for the right trade you still might do it.

[HurricaneKid]

Spoiler:

I post this fairly regularly but I will do so again:

WE CANNOT TRADE MIRZA.

We are the only team that can get an injury exclusion for Mirza (not be on our cap sheet and have insurance pay his salary):

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

So PLEASE, if for no other reason than to make sure a fellow Bucks fan doesn't have their head explode, stop shoehorning him into deals. He won't, can't, and shouldn't be traded given the PE issues that are going to end his career.

any chance of him being cleared to play in the offseason? i dont really know that much about what hes going through. do we know for sure hes done?

It is my understanding that he has had the exact issue that Bosh had and despite Bosh desperately trying to come back no Dr was willing to put their name on the line to clear him. Nor should they. Pulmonary Embolisms kill people. The league isn't going to allow it. A player dying on the floor when they do not need to is just an awful look. As such, Miami got their injury exclusion and paid a bunch of guys a bunch of money this offseason using his salary.

[Nowak008]

Lol at anyone who would even consider Noah and his contract even if he was HEALTHY. That dude is more than done

It's not a dream slam dunk trade. I think Noah could bounce back - the dude is only 32. I look at Gasol who is 37 and still playing well. Elite bigs tend to stick around, Noah was 3rd in MVP voting just 3 years ago. Noah has more upside than Delly/Henson. Given Henson is playing better maybe we could get a 1st or Willy too.

[HurricaneKid]

I post this fairly regularly but I will do so again:

WE CANNOT TRADE MIRZA.

We are the only team that can get an injury exclusion for Mirza (not be on our cap sheet and have insurance pay his salary):

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

So PLEASE, if for no other reason than to make sure a fellow Bucks fan doesn't have their head explode, stop shoehorning him into deals. He won't, can't, and shouldn't be traded given the PE issues that are going to end his career.

From what I read there, he still technically can be traded. Correct me if I read it wrong. The other team just can't get the opt out of the money on the cap like we can. So then he's just like how many other countless dead/bad contracts that have been traded through the years of guys who aren't going to play.

Him only having one year left on his deal makes him the contract other teams would want most, that's why he gets thrown into deals. Also, it's not like the Bucks get out of paying money, it just comes off the cap. Though I'd guess there's a chance an insurance company might be paying the money. I'm no expert on that though, maybe even the team trading for him could get the perk of the insurance on the contract paying it. But again yea it would still count on their cap.

Having the opinion that the Bucks can save that 10 mil in cap and therefore shouldn't trade him is different than saying he can't be traded. But if you need his contact to matchup for the right trade you still might do it.

Sure, we can trade him and some other team can pay him 15M over the next year and a half. OR we can NOT trade him, not pay his salary (insurance), and have him come off the cap Nov 7th next season. Its the difference between a team eating 15M and no team eating anything. Its insanity to suggest that it makes sense for anyone to eat the 15M when it is completely unnecessary.

Would you want the Bucks to eat 15M without any compensation for doing so? Why would you expect other teams to do so?