Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[xTitan]

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Sounds like a swell dude to add to a good locker room.....dumbest idea ever

[HurricaneKid]

I find it odd that Dewayne Dedmon all of a sudden has become this great NBA player in his late-20s the last 2 years that just so happens to coincide with him playing for the two best coaches in the league (Pop, Budenholzer). Did I say odd? I meant entirely predictable, and we shouldn't chase average rotation bigs when they're playing in a contract year and their price is higher than its ever been....

You're barking up the wrong tree. Dedmon was actually better for Orlando - the season before San Antonio - he's just been playing more minutes. And he's signed for another year at 6.3 mil next season - which is a very team-friendly contract. He's probably never had more than a 2 year contract in his life, so he's always in that sense - playing for a contract, and of course he's getting paid more than ever before - he's 28 - in his prime years.

Dedmon has a PO for next season. Can't imagine he is going to opt in to that.

[DingleJerry]

Spoiler:

I post this fairly regularly but I will do so again:

WE CANNOT TRADE MIRZA.

We are the only team that can get an injury exclusion for Mirza (not be on our cap sheet and have insurance pay his salary):

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q62

So PLEASE, if for no other reason than to make sure a fellow Bucks fan doesn't have their head explode, stop shoehorning him into deals. He won't, can't, and shouldn't be traded given the PE issues that are going to end his career.

From what I read there, he still technically can be traded. Correct me if I read it wrong. The other team just can't get the opt out of the money on the cap like we can. So then he's just like how many other countless dead/bad contracts that have been traded through the years of guys who aren't going to play.

Him only having one year left on his deal makes him the contract other teams would want most, that's why he gets thrown into deals. Also, it's not like the Bucks get out of paying money, it just comes off the cap. Though I'd guess there's a chance an insurance company might be paying the money. I'm no expert on that though, maybe even the team trading for him could get the perk of the insurance on the contract paying it. But again yea it would still count on their cap.

Having the opinion that the Bucks can save that 10 mil in cap and therefore shouldn't trade him is different than saying he can't be traded. But if you need his contact to matchup for the right trade you still might do it.

Sure, we can trade him and some other team can pay him 15M over the next year and a half. OR we can NOT trade him, not pay his salary (insurance), and have him come off the cap Nov 7th next season. Its the difference between a team eating 15M and no team eating anything. Its insanity to suggest that it makes sense for anyone to eat the 15M when it is completely unnecessary.

Would you want the Bucks to eat 15M without any compensation for doing so? Why would you expect other teams to do so?

OK thanks so I did understand it correctly. No, of course not. But you're acting like teams don't get stuck taking on terrible contracts for guys who can't play fairly regularly. In this specific case, if a team has the option of taking Delly or Telly's contract at this deadline to matchup whatever deal we're talking about like DAJ, both are guys that essentially can't play. Sure at least Delly can physically get on the floor but for Mirza you'd owe the 15 (maybe all covered by insurance?) of dead cap space but only through next season. Delly, you'd have about 25 mil you owe and have to pay it all and that contract on your books for another year beyond Mirza. We're talking pure contract matchups gross dollars saved, that's it. Also, as weird as it is to say since Mirza won't be able to play, but his expiring contract during next season could actually be preferable to have over Delly due to the extra year, for the purposes of the team using his contract in another trade.

From the Bucks perspective though like you say, the deal sure would have to be worth it to give up the 'perk' of being able to get out of the cap space.

[Chuck Diesel]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybkrraf9

Bucks: Jonas Valanciunas, Pascal Siakam, Pelicans 2018 1st, Raptors 2018 1st
Pelicans: Thon Maker, Bruno Caboclo
Raptors: Jabari Parker, Delly, Ajinca

Bledsoe/Brogdon
Snell/Brogdon/Brown
Middleton/Brown
Giannis/Siakam
Valanciunas/Henson

+ at least two, potentially three 2018 first rounders this summer.

[HurricaneKid]

Spoiler:

From what I read there, he still technically can be traded. Correct me if I read it wrong. The other team just can't get the opt out of the money on the cap like we can. So then he's just like how many other countless dead/bad contracts that have been traded through the years of guys who aren't going to play.

Him only having one year left on his deal makes him the contract other teams would want most, that's why he gets thrown into deals. Also, it's not like the Bucks get out of paying money, it just comes off the cap. Though I'd guess there's a chance an insurance company might be paying the money. I'm no expert on that though, maybe even the team trading for him could get the perk of the insurance on the contract paying it. But again yea it would still count on their cap.

Having the opinion that the Bucks can save that 10 mil in cap and therefore shouldn't trade him is different than saying he can't be traded. But if you need his contact to matchup for the right trade you still might do it.

Sure, we can trade him and some other team can pay him 15M over the next year and a half. OR we can NOT trade him, not pay his salary (insurance), and have him come off the cap Nov 7th next season. Its the difference between a team eating 15M and no team eating anything. Its insanity to suggest that it makes sense for anyone to eat the 15M when it is completely unnecessary.

Would you want the Bucks to eat 15M without any compensation for doing so? Why would you expect other teams to do so?

OK thanks so I did understand it correctly. No, of course not. But you're acting like teams don't get stuck taking on terrible contracts for guys who can't play fairly regularly. In this specific case, if a team has the option of taking Delly or Telly's contract at this deadline to matchup whatever deal we're talking about like DAJ, both are guys that essentially can't play. Sure at least Delly can physically get on the floor but for Mirza you'd owe the 15 (maybe all covered by insurance?) of dead cap space but only through next season. Delly, you'd have about 25 mil you owe and have to pay it all and that contract on your books for another year beyond Mirza. We're talking pure contract matchups gross dollars saved, that's it. Also, as weird as it is to say since Mirza won't be able to play his expiring contract during next season could actually be preferable to have over Delly due to the extra year.

From the Bucks perspective though like you say, the deal sure would have to be worth it to give up the 'perk' of being able to get out of the cap space.

Yes, but if we are going to have to pay Bari, Middleton, and Bledsoe wouldn't it be better to find a way to get out of Delly and have both those deals gone? Getting out of Telly's deal, while tragic, is a stroke of fortune for the franchise. Trading him off makes little sense to me, and I really doubt it would to any FOs involved. I think they are excited to have 9M of his 10M disappear next season. Heck, I think keeping Bari around is far more likely BECAUSE of it.

[Nowak008]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybkrraf9

Bucks: Jonas Valanciunas, Pascal Siakam, Pelicans 2018 1st, Raptors 2018 1st
Pelicans: Thon Maker, Bruno Caboclo
Raptors: Jabari Parker, Delly, Ajinca

Bledsoe/Brogdon
Snell/Brogdon/Brown
Middleton/Brown
Giannis/Siakam
Valanciunas/Henson

+ at least two, potentially three 2018 first rounders this summer.

You are tossing around 1st rounders like candy. I don't think the Pels or the Raps do that deal though

[Nowak008]

Our cap situation isn't really that bad. Don't know why people think it is.

How would you categorize our cap situation? I would describe it as a calamity, just short of a catastrophe.

[DingleJerry]

Spoiler:

[spoiler]

Sure, we can trade him and some other team can pay him 15M over the next year and a half. OR we can NOT trade him, not pay his salary (insurance), and have him come off the cap Nov 7th next season. Its the difference between a team eating 15M and no team eating anything. Its insanity to suggest that it makes sense for anyone to eat the 15M when it is completely unnecessary.

Would you want the Bucks to eat 15M without any compensation for doing so? Why would you expect other teams to do so?

OK thanks so I did understand it correctly. No, of course not. But you're acting like teams don't get stuck taking on terrible contracts for guys who can't play fairly regularly. In this specific case, if a team has the option of taking Delly or Telly's contract at this deadline to matchup whatever deal we're talking about like DAJ, both are guys that essentially can't play. Sure at least Delly can physically get on the floor but for Mirza you'd owe the 15 (maybe all covered by insurance?) of dead cap space but only through next season. Delly, you'd have about 25 mil you owe and have to pay it all and that contract on your books for another year beyond Mirza. We're talking pure contract matchups gross dollars saved, that's it. Also, as weird as it is to say since Mirza won't be able to play his expiring contract during next season could actually be preferable to have over Delly due to the extra year.

From the Bucks perspective though like you say, the deal sure would have to be worth it to give up the 'perk' of being able to get out of the cap space.

Yes, but if we are going to have to pay Bari, Middleton, and Bledsoe wouldn't it be better to find a way to get out of Delly and have both those deals gone? Getting out of Telly's deal, while tragic, is a stroke of fortune for the franchise. Trading him off makes little sense to me, and I really doubt it would to any FOs involved. I think they are excited to have 9M of his 10M disappear next season. Heck, I think keeping Bari around is far more likely BECAUSE of it.

[/spoiler]

For sure that would be ideal and i'm sure the Bucks would try all those routes first. But any trade has to be agreeable to the other side too and that's simply why he gets brought up. If that is the last hurdle (letting them save that extra money and year of cap) to let them have Mirza's deal instead of Delly's you just might have to do it if you really want the higher level player your'e targeting. It's giving the other side something to get them to agree to a trade. But just like we both said, it better be a home run of a deal to give up being able to get out of the cap space.

[Ron Swanson]

Delly is probably the most cumbersome contract and really the only one where you'd have to add value to move. I'd go down the list and see the countless middle-tier playoff teams that are in worse shape:

WAS
POR
LAC
NOP
NYK
MEM
CHA
DET

Yeah, we're in much better shape than all of those teams. It's not about the cap number. It's about how much of that cap is movable. Now, depending on what you do with Jabari's RFA, then that can possibly complicate things...

[SirChurros]

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely still trade Delly, but he has looked much better lately.

[HurricaneKid]

For sure that would be ideal and i'm sure the Bucks would try all those routes first. But any trade has to be agreeable to the other side too and that's simply why he gets brought up. If that is the last hurdle (letting them save that extra money and year of cap) to let them have Mirza's deal instead of Delly's you just might have to do it if you really want the higher level player your'e targeting. It's giving the other side something to get them to agree to a trade. But just like we both said, it better be a home run of a deal to give up being able to get out of the cap space.

I would bet HALF the transactions made in the league are made because they are mutually beneficial. Guys need to dump 1.7M in salary to drop below the apron so they get revenue sharing money so they call a buddy in another FO and ask for a favor. Can I give you 1.8M in cash, a bum in Europe/top 55 prot 2nd for you to eat this contract for us? And its 100% allowable. One team just files some paperwork and gets 100k, the other team eats 1.8M they were eating anyways to get 12M in rev sharing. To have a deal go the other way for 15M is completely unheard of. And if a team was willing to eat Telly, you make them eat Delly instead because you can provide 2nds/rookie deal players, anything to make up the difference.

[SupremeHustle]

Our cap situation isn't really that bad. Don't know why people think it is.

How would you categorize our cap situation? I would describe it as a calamity, just short of a catastrophe.

I would describe it as "continuity", as in, "The Milwaukee Bucks calamitous cap situation has nearly forced them into catastrophic continuity."

[DingleJerry]

Think positive though, just one year from now they'll likely have gotten the exception on Mirza's deal and will be 1.5 years away from being free of Delly and a half season away from him being a potentially useful expiring contract. As long as Snell remains some kind of contributor and Henson stays straight you wouldn't have any dead contracts at that point. Well, barring whatever they get themselves into this offseason I suppose...

[raferfenix]

Does Noah getting bought out or dealt change the Knicks' calculus about trading one of their other bigs?

Hernangomez is another young center on a rookie deal reportedly on the market.

KOQ is definitely better than him but likely gone after the season. He could presumably be cheaper to acquire because of that, but I don't know if anyone is offering so much for Hernangomez either.

[LuessiT]

Honestly I wouldn't mind trading for Noah - if we get heavily rewarded, that is. Ntilikina, their pick, or both depending on the deal.

[raferfenix]

Snell for Gortat would clean up our rotation and drop some long term salary commitments.

Thon + Delly for Gortat would be even better but probably too much to hope for.

[worthlessBucks]

Even with all our organizational issues the last forever years, it warms my heart to know that the Knicks have been exponentially worse in that time period.

Throw a rock and hit anybody, that person could run that organization better.

[emunney]

Even with all our organizational issues the last forever years, it warms my heart to know that the Knicks have been exponentially worse in that time period.

Throw a rock and hit anybody, that person could run that organization better.

Feels like this could be done without hitting somebody with a rock, even.

[LuessiT]

Snell for Gortat would clean up our rotation and drop some long term salary commitments.

Thon + Delly for Gortat would be even better but probably too much to hope for.

I want value back for taking on Gortat. He's clearly past it and while still usefull a negative contract. The Wizzards are paying him, Smith and Mahimni and desperately want to get out of one of those contracts. I'm asking for their first in that deal, otherwhise I'd get my center somewhere else. Bigs are not in demand, 3&D's are.

[Giannisland 34]

The cap isn’t great right now but it’s fixable as long as no stupid contracts are given out. With Jabari restricted this offseason, which hasn’t been the best for the Bucks and contracts in the recent past. That’s not good then. Has to look something like Emiid’s with injury issues. Telly and his injury/insurance really will help out a lot. Being able to do anything with Delly would change things dramatically. But what would that take? I’m into moving Snell and would hope he’s movable for some value back. Hensen I’d only move in a deal or group of deals that bring back multiple, at least rotational, bigs. Now Bledsoe and Mids as good as they as are, are they the best we can get/find at their positions next to Giannis? What’s the long term picture and future for these guys and the team? Because right now I have three core players I wouldn’t move Giannis, Brogdon, and Brown that’s it. Sure there’s a group only for the right deal but the phone is not getting hung up.