Bruno Caboclo

[gojoorange]

he pretty much just finished his 4 years of college, still young and he did improve bit by bit each year, got the elite of elite length and solid speed and 3 ball to earn time at the 3-5 positions

If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.

Softmore. There must be a pun in there.

[dalton749]

If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.

Softmore. There must be a pun in there.

I think he would be drafted mid second round, but somebody would definitely take a chance. The talent he is playing against now is better than what he would face in college, so my guess is that his defensive metrics in college would be off the charts, and his three point percentage a little higher. Mixed in with the length he has, someone would pick him in hopes that he could develop into a high end role player in a couple of years.

[Tortiglioni]

If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.

Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.

OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

[sbsat]

Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.

OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

SMH.. Masai's draft record with primarily late 1st picks and 2nd rounders has been pretty F'N good. What kind of expectations do you have vis a vis hit rate on late 1st RD picks???

[brownbobcat]

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

Yeah, ok. 40 other guys went ahead of Jokic because all NBA GMs and scouts are dumb, right?

It couldn't possibly be because projecting 18-20 year olds is hard?

[Duffman100]

Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.

OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

Considering Ujiri has Wright, Powell, Siakam, Poeltl, OG on his resume, I think I'll give him a pass.

[dontsettle4less]

He's looked good as of late, stack seems to know how to get to him and get it out of him.

[StopitLeo]

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

Daniels looked like a good prospect coming into the draft. He had good size and length for a SF and had just played very well in the NCAA Tournament. In his last year at UConn he put up 13.1 points, 6.0 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks. He shot 42% from deep on 120 3PA, so not a small sample.

Every pick can't be a homerun, as is evident by the picks ahead of ours that have done nothing.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.

OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

I think the pick supported the idea of developing and investing In the Raptors 905. Look how the rest of his picks have turned out for the Raps. All of them are contributing major minutes and output while keeping the core intact.

The rest of the draft are pretty much crap besides those two. A 12 year old would have traded for a guy who would be meh at the very best or worse. Caboclo we still haven’t seen what he can do in extended minutes.

But we still like to view through the 20/20 vision of which is hindsight

[Volcano]

OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.

You don't even have to pick -- we could have had both Capela and Jokic. Instead, Masai decided on Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels . The Raptors spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours on scouting, and then came up with Bruno Caboclo and Deandre Daniels. If they had just taken a random 12-year-old off the street on draft night and asked him/her to make the selection, there is a 100% chance the picks would have been better .

SMH.. Masai's draft record with primarily late 1st picks and 2nd rounders has been pretty F'N good. What kind of expectations do you have vis a vis hit rate on late 1st RD picks???

They weren't using Watson in the first year.

Tbh, I'm not sure what they were thinking in the Bruno draft. I understand that they were going for a home run..but considering how raw he was and how we had an early 2nd, I don't think he was worth reaching for. If another team wanted to reach before our pick, then so be it. I think it's forgivable though considering their mindset and strategy.

The DeAndre Daniels selection was just stupidity. Sure it's a 2nd rounder, but what was the mindset and strategy here? Nothing about this guy said he was an NBA level player. I felt like that the scouts/management just failed to do their homework and had no one left on their draft list so they just picked some random player based off the need for a 3+D SF. That's bad management.

[Kabookalu]

Bruno wasn't even the main target at 20th, it was either Gary Harris or Tyler Ennis. One of them is a great 3D guy, the other is mediocre at best.

[omar36]

Bruno wasn't even the main target at 20th, it was either Gary Harris or Tyler Ennis. One of them is a great 3D guy, the other is mediocre at best.

that Open gym episode looked like masai wanted ennis bad but phoenix wanted way to much.

rather have bruno then ennis

[Clay Davis]

Watch on YouTube

He could easily be fighting for Siakim mins right now

He looks like a freak out there, and it's encouraging that he's able to capitalize on the other team's mistakes. I just wonder how he'll look against actual NBA athletes. Still, this is encouraging considering how raw he was.

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[S.W.A.N]

Bruno looking fantastic. I'm so glad they just letting him do his thing with the 905 learning from Stack.

His development has been slow, but maturity has been an issue. As for his skill set it is still very enticing. The question will be can he deliver at the nba level. I'm still a believer that he can have a long career as a defensive specialist D & 3 type hybrid 3-4-5 type player.

The biggest thing is he needs to adjust to the speed of the nba. He could look really good next year as part of our bench mob.

[lebron stopper]

Bruno wasn't even the main target at 20th, it was either Gary Harris or Tyler Ennis. One of them is a great 3D guy, the other is mediocre at best.

that Open gym episode looked like masai wanted ennis bad but phoenix wanted way to much.

rather have bruno then ennis

Denver stole Gary Harris from Raptors (via Chicago), luckily Raptors stole OG Anunoby from Denver right back.

[Kabookalu]

I actually think his development has been progressing pretty well all things considered (but maybe not well enough to contribute). First year was a waste teaching him english (but it's better than letting him rot on a european bench that won't give two craps about him at all). Second year, I didn't like the way Jesse Murmeys developed him. He had no structure at all and let Bruno do whatever he wanted. Third year I consider to be his first year of real development. Stackhouse gave him one role and put him on a short leash, and it worked out. This season it looks like Stack has given him more freedom, but only because he earned it.

Seeing how much he has developed so far with the first two years giving him nothing of significance, he's came along really well. Just too bad this might be his final year with us.

[JediQ]

I actually think his development has been progressing pretty well all things considered (but maybe not well enough to contribute). First year was a waste teaching him english (but it's better than letting him rot on a european bench that won't give two craps about him at all). Second year, I didn't like the way Jesse Murmeys developed him. He had no structure at all and let Bruno do whatever he wanted. Third year I consider to be his first year of real development. Stackhouse gave him one role and put him on a short leash, and it worked out. This season it looks like Stack has given him more freedom, but only because he earned it.

Seeing how much he has developed so far with the first two years giving him nothing of significance, he's came along really well. Just too bad this might be his final year with us.

Bang on.

That year with the Mad Ants not only stunted his development but could possibly have done more damage to his development and mentality. We don't know how well he was treated over there professionally, and at that time, DLeague was still a bunch of teams with no direction, stacked with players and even coaches with varying agendas.

Murmuys basically did to Bruno what the Lakers did to Ingram last year, which is an old school rebuilding team approach. I prefer Stack's approach regarding player development. You're right, Stack had Bruno on a short leash, and working on specific things as a role player offensively, and especially defensively. This year, Stack is giving him more responsibilities, and experimenting on putting Bruno on different situations (i.e., positioning Bruno on the high post; making Bruno play C; Bruno + bench lineups; etc.). It feels a bit more systematic version of Kidd's genius plan of playing Giannis at the point previously.

[dagger]

Bruno wasn't even the main target at 20th, it was either Gary Harris or Tyler Ennis. One of them is a great 3D guy, the other is mediocre at best.

Indeed, I believe that they were primed to take one of these two at 20 (they went 18 and 19), and then Bruno later. There was talk of trading for the 22nd pick by taking on the contract of Tayshaun Prince from Memphis.

[gbball]

Bruno wasn't even the main target at 20th, it was either Gary Harris or Tyler Ennis. One of them is a great 3D guy, the other is mediocre at best.

Indeed, I believe that they were primed to take one of these two at 20 (they went 18 and 19), and then Bruno later. There was talk of trading for the 22nd pick by taking on the contract of Tayshaun Prince from Memphis.

That's right, when Ennis and Harris were gone, Masai was going to trade back and pick up Capela and hope that Bruno was still there in the 2nd round, but they heard that other teams like SA were interested and they were high enough on Bruno to pull the trigger at 20. Capela has turned into a nice player, but I still think Bruno's ceiling is much higher. If Masai is anything, it's patient. Bruno was always going to be a long play and I have to figure he's right where they would want him to be at this point. There have been definite set backs, but also clear breakthroughs. He's responded well and that's all you can expect considering where he started. There will be more setbacks in the NBA, but I'm sure if the team doesn't give up on him, he'll figure it out.

[dalton749]

Bruno has contributed more to this franchise than most late first round picks. He’s the reason we have a gleague team, and even brought them a championship. Without Bruno, our young guys aren’t quite as ready to come into this season and contribute.

Not every pick can be a home run, but this one has been a positive, just in a different way than we were expecting.

This is his last year of raptors college, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that he could contribute next year in a similar role to a 2018 late first round draft pick.