Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[JAR69]

Do you know if you can count players on two-way contracts toward the 14? If so, that would open up some options.

No. It doesn't appear that two-way players count in meeting the minimum roster limit. There's a rather confusing chart in the Larry Coon FAQ. But it looks like the smallest roster size would be either 13 active and 1 non-two-way player inactive, or 12 active and at least 2 non-two-way players inactive.

2-way contracts are an altogether new category that is separate from the the regular roster.

A team has to have 14 or 15 players on its regular roster. At least 12 of the regular-roster players must be active.

In addition the team may have either 1 or 2 of these new 2-way contracts, meaning that it may have as many as 17 players under contract overall.

A 2-way player may spend no more than 45 days with his NBA team. He spends the rest of his time in the G-League. He receives a G-League salary except when he's with his NBA team; for those days he receives the per-day amount of an NBA minimum contract.

Thanks Nate and PIF.

[NatP4]

I can't stand irving. He's a better shooter then wall but that's all about it.

Ehh, 25/game on .600 TS is insane for a point guard. The new NBA is about scoring guards that can attack switches and play on and off ball. Down the stretch of games, Kyrie is a huge weapon. Essentially a 50/40/90 point guard that can get his shot every single possession. Also averages a full turnover less per game than Wall.

What is the one thing Wall does better than Kyrie? Playmaking, what else?? New nba is about efficiency and 3pt shooting, being able to score in isolation. If Wall was a great defender, different story, but he now ranks 41st in drpm(one spot above Tim Frazier) for point guards, after ranking 58th after last season.

Irving is a great closer. Great scorer. Terrible defender. Having Brown, Smart (when healthy) and other good defenders help. Curry put up 49 on him. Maybe John's knee issues are preventing him from being at least an average defender. Irving is just plain bad.

Knee issues aren’t preventing Wall from being an average defender, he just doesn’t care. Reach around steal attempts every other possession. Maybe it’s not that he doesn’t care, he just doesn’t know that he’s a poor defender when I think about his scoffing at the 1st team all defense selections last year.

DRPM had Wall at 50th and Irving at 67th last year, this year Wall is 41st, Irving 64th. So we would call Wall average or slightly below average and Kyrie below average but not terrible? How big of a gap is that really? Also, Stevens is a coach that can help scheme or hide Irving better than Brooks would.

[bsilver]

Ehh, 25/game on .600 TS is insane for a point guard. The new NBA is about scoring guards that can attack switches and play on and off ball. Down the stretch of games, Kyrie is a huge weapon. Essentially a 50/40/90 point guard that can get his shot every single possession. Also averages a full turnover less per game than Wall.

What is the one thing Wall does better than Kyrie? Playmaking, what else?? New nba is about efficiency and 3pt shooting, being able to score in isolation. If Wall was a great defender, different story, but he now ranks 41st in drpm(one spot above Tim Frazier) for point guards, after ranking 58th after last season.

Irving is a great closer. Great scorer. Terrible defender. Having Brown, Smart (when healthy) and other good defenders help. Curry put up 49 on him. Maybe John's knee issues are preventing him from being at least an average defender. Irving is just plain bad.

Knee issues aren’t preventing Wall from being an average defender, he just doesn’t care. Reach around steal attempts every other possession. Maybe it’s not that he doesn’t care, he just doesn’t know that he’s a poor defender when I think about his scoffing at the 1st team all defense selections last year.

DRPM had Wall at 50th and Irving at 67th last year, this year Wall is 41st, Irving 64th. So we would call Wall average or slightly below average and Kyrie below average but not terrible? How big of a gap is that really? Also, Stevens is a coach that can help scheme or hide Irving better than Brooks would.

Wall always seems to get taken advantage of in pick and roll situations. One reason he's swatting at the ball from behind is that he's been successfully picked. There's several ways to deal with the pick and roll as a defender/defense - extend the defense further out to the half court line, or cheat towards the middle more to keep the dribbler from going towards the picker, or successfully switching. Watch OKC's defense tomorrow. They defend the PNR well. It seems that we should be able to do a lot better.

[80sballboy]

For the Metrics nerds/advocates, here are the top 10 players available in a trade according to BR
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755937-metrics-101-ranking-nbas-top-10-available-trade-targets

[NatP4]

For the Metrics nerds/advocates, here are the top 10 players available in a trade according to BR
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755937-metrics-101-ranking-nbas-top-10-available-trade-targets

Nance is intriguing, as a small ball 5 in the new NBA. Makes you wonder if they would take Mahinmi and our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd in exchange for Clarkson and Nance.

[deneem4]

Irving is a great closer. Great scorer. Terrible defender. Having Brown, Smart (when healthy) and other good defenders help. Curry put up 49 on him. Maybe John's knee issues are preventing him from being at least an average defender. Irving is just plain bad.

Knee issues aren’t preventing Wall from being an average defender, he just doesn’t care. Reach around steal attempts every other possession. Maybe it’s not that he doesn’t care, he just doesn’t know that he’s a poor defender when I think about his scoffing at the 1st team all defense selections last year.

DRPM had Wall at 50th and Irving at 67th last year, this year Wall is 41st, Irving 64th. So we would call Wall average or slightly below average and Kyrie below average but not terrible? How big of a gap is that really? Also, Stevens is a coach that can help scheme or hide Irving better than Brooks would.

Wall always seems to get taken advantage of in pick and roll situations. One reason he's swatting at the ball from behind is that he's been successfully picked. There's several ways to deal with the pick and roll as a defender/defense - extend the defense further out to the half court line, or cheat towards the middle more to keep the dribbler from going towards the picker, or successfully switching. Watch OKC's defense tomorrow. They defend the PNR well. It seems that we should be able to do a lot better.

Pnr is a 2 man thing if your defending big doesn’t angle him self in the right lane it gets you successfuly picked

[dangermouse]

Kief + Sheldon (+ this years 2nd + future 2nd?) for Tyreke + McLemore

Grizz get a front court scorer on a good deal to put behind Green, and kick the tires on a SG prospect (whos healthy right? I havent heard anything recently). They move McLemore who they dont even play.

Tyreke helps the bench immeasurably. Like the Bojan trade he probably walks but at least we shed a tiny sliver of salary this year and next without losing a first round pick, plus we move Morris, despite his good play the last two games we all know its addition by subtraction.

Porter moves to starting PF, Oubre starts. Scott gets extra minutes as the first big off the bench. Maybe this move could even be supplemented with a trade of Gortat for a PF/C - Bucks posters seem interested. Henson?

[NatP4]

BG looks to be headed to Detroit. Pistons not selling, clippers probably are.

[FAH1223]

BG looks to be headed to Detroit. Pistons not selling, clippers probably are.

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[NatP4]

Sounds like a good thing for us. BG goes for basically a 1st round pick and Tobias Harris. Deandre Jordan probably goes for very little.

[Illmatic12]

Time for us to swoop in and grab Deandre!

[NatP4]

Time for us to swoop in and grab Deandre!

Can probably be had for a 1st round pick.

[WallStar]

Time for us to swoop in and grab Deandre!

I'm all in for this move. EG get DJ to DC!

[NatP4]

Meeks Mahinmi Smith and our 2018 1st for DJ and Lou!

Force trades (on)


Otto Porter+Jason Smith+Jodie Meeks for Deandre Jordan, Lou Williams, and Sam Dekker

[Error Afflalo]

Otto Porter+Jason Smith+Jodie Meeks for Deandre Jordan, Lou Williams, and Sam Dekker

This doesn't really help us. We still have Mahinmi/Gortat on the books, which makes retaining both Jordan and Williams virtually impossible. It's essentially DJ for Otto, and that's not worth it.

[trast66]

Blake a really good player, but that contract along with injury history makes me like what the clippers did there in the long term.

SVG decent coach, terrible GM.

[verbal8]

Blake a really good player, but that contract along with injury history makes me like what the clippers did there in the long term.

SVG decent coach, terrible GM.

It has to be hard to rebuild with their history but it is the right move. Once Paul left the championship window closed. Blake wasn't enough to keep them in the strong playoff team tier.

[NatP4]

Blake a really good player, but that contract along with injury history makes me like what the clippers did there in the long term.

SVG decent coach, terrible GM.

I don’t get the trade from either side. Clippers got terrible value, a protected 1st and Tobias Harris?? Wtf? And why are the pistons taking on that horrible Blake Griffin contract, he’s not even that good at this point. An inefficient 20 point scorer that doesn’t really rebound or defend. No floor spacing between Drummond and Griffin.

So strange

[closg00]

Wow, will the Drummond/Griffin front court move DET up significantly in the East?

[trast66]

Blake a really good player, but that contract along with injury history makes me like what the clippers did there in the long term.

SVG decent coach, terrible GM.

I don’t get the trade from either side. Clippers got terrible value, a protected 1st and Tobias Harris?? Wtf? And why are the pistons taking on that horrible Blake Griffin contract, he’s not even that good at this point. An inefficient 20 point scorer that doesn’t really rebound or defend. No floor spacing between Drummond and Griffin.

So strange

I think due to injuries and contract Blake does not have high value in league. May be a similar return if we traded Wall.