2017-2018 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread part one: The Fellowship for A Ring

[Pillendreher]

Assume there's no way to get him or make it work, but wow, this'd be a home run.

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One of our bench players + a second with the kind of horrible season he's having, they're not gonna get more.

Among the 129 players with at least 400 FGA, Bradley ranks:

-127th in PER
-122nd in TS%
-127th in ORtG
-127th in BPM
-126th in WS/48



The ONLY thing he does well on the offensive end is catch and shoot 3s: 40.1 %. That's it. Among the 123 players with at least 100 layups attempted, Bradley ranks 89th in FG% on layups.

On the Pistons, Bradley has the team worst On/Off NetRtG at -9.5. In 2464 possessions with Bradley at the 2, the Piston's DRtG is 109.6. With Bradley off the floor, the DRtG improves to 103.0 in 1821 possessions.
Over a combined 5602 minutes over the last 3 seasons, Bradley's teams have been worse with him on the floor defensively by +4.4, +4.4 and +6.7 points per 100 possessions.

Bradley's play-type defense over the last two seasons:

Isolation Defense: 19th percentile | 19th percentile
PnR Ball Handler: 64th percentile | 63rd percentile
Spot Up: 47th percentile | 46th percentile

So, no, I don't think Avery Bradley is worth a 1st round pick.

[spearsy23]

Assume there's no way to get him or make it work, but wow, this'd be a home run.

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One of our bench players + a second with the kind of horrible season he's having, they're not gonna get more.

Among the 129 players with at least 400 FGA, Bradley ranks:

-127th in PER
-122nd in TS%
-127th in ORtG
-127th in BPM
-126th in WS/48



The ONLY thing he does well on the offensive end is catch and shoot 3s: 40.1 %. That's it. Among the 123 players with at least 100 layups attempted, Bradley ranks 89th in FG% on layups.

On the Pistons, Bradley has the team worst On/Off NetRtG at -9.5. In 2464 possessions with Bradley at the 2, the Piston's DRtG is 109.6. With Bradley off the floor, the DRtG improves to 103.0 in 1821 possessions.
Over a combined 5602 minutes over the last 3 seasons, Bradley's teams have been worse with him on the floor defensively by +4.4, +4.4 and +6.7 points per 100 possessions.

Bradley's play-type defense over the last two seasons:

Isolation Defense: 19th percentile | 19th percentile
PnR Ball Handler: 64th percentile | 63rd percentile
Spot Up: 47th percentile | 46th percentile

So, no, I don't think Avery Bradley is worth a 1st round pick.

I'm almost certain he's the guy we end up with and then everyone is shocked when he continues to be bad.

[Pillendreher]

Assume there's no way to get him or make it work, but wow, this'd be a home run.

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One of our bench players + a second with the kind of horrible season he's having, they're not gonna get more.

Among the 129 players with at least 400 FGA, Bradley ranks:

-127th in PER
-122nd in TS%
-127th in ORtG
-127th in BPM
-126th in WS/48



The ONLY thing he does well on the offensive end is catch and shoot 3s: 40.1 %. That's it. Among the 123 players with at least 100 layups attempted, Bradley ranks 89th in FG% on layups.

On the Pistons, Bradley has the team worst On/Off NetRtG at -9.5. In 2464 possessions with Bradley at the 2, the Piston's DRtG is 109.6. With Bradley off the floor, the DRtG improves to 103.0 in 1821 possessions.
Over a combined 5602 minutes over the last 3 seasons, Bradley's teams have been worse with him on the floor defensively by +4.4, +4.4 and +6.7 points per 100 possessions.

Bradley's play-type defense over the last two seasons:

Isolation Defense: 19th percentile | 19th percentile
PnR Ball Handler: 64th percentile | 63rd percentile
Spot Up: 47th percentile | 46th percentile

So, no, I don't think Avery Bradley is worth a 1st round pick.

I'm almost certain he's the guy we end up with and then everyone is shocked when he continues to be bad.

Like last season when we said "No way Cole is as bad or even worse than Christon"? I mean our bench wings are so trash, Bradley can't be as bad, can he?

[slick_watts]

bradley has been worse this season than previous years. i think it's reasonable to hope or expect him to recover some value if he's traded here.

[Thabo Sefolosha]

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[slick_watts]

what makes december 1st a logical cutoff?

[Thundershock88]

I would have to think that the team Bradley is on would play a part in his advanced stats. Probably be a bit more motivated at the opportunity here.

[Thundershock88]

what makes december 1st a logical cutoff?

That's when we flipped our performance. December was a great month, and we are still hot.

[Pillendreher]

what makes december 1st a logical cutoff?

That's when we flipped our performance. December was a great month, and we are still hot.

Our offense turned around after the Philly 3OT win.

[Pillendreher]

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George did not get the memo. Players are only allowed to do this when they leave Russ, not when they join him.

[bondom34]

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George did not get the memo. Players are only allowed to do this when they leave Russ, not when they join him.

PC borad told me Kyrie plays better w/ stars and Russ ruined them.

[Pillendreher]

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George did not get the memo. Players are only allowed to do this when they leave Russ, not when they join him.

PC borad told me Kyrie plays better w/ stars and Russ ruined them.

-Career high individual ORtG
-2nd best TS% of his career
-3rd best WS/48 of his career
-Career best STL%
-Career best BLK%

His impact stats don't look as good, but playing with those bench units is not doing him any favors. It will be interesting to see if his overall game suffers now that Robes is out for the rest of the year (damn, that feels weird to write). Some people have suggested that him not having to carry the defense has helped him offensively.

[bondom34]

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George did not get the memo. Players are only allowed to do this when they leave Russ, not when they join him.

PC borad told me Kyrie plays better w/ stars and Russ ruined them.

-Career high individual ORtG
-2nd best TS% of his career
-3rd best WS/48 of his career
-Career best STL%
-Career best BLK%

His impact stats don't look as good, but playing with those bench units is not doing him any favors. It will be interesting to see if his overall game suffers now that Robes is out for the rest of the year (damn, that feels weird to write). Some people have suggested that him not having to carry the defense has helped him offensively.

Yep. But hey, Kyrie played well for a series. Most overrated PG in the game.

[bondom34]

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[ThunderBolt]

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After losing Dre, there’s no shame in getting all of the breaks we can before the trade deadline

[Thundershock88]

Also helps that Boogie is out 2 games later. I'll be happy if we can win 3 out of 4 before the Warriors game.

[CROklahoma]

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Sometimes, eyetests can't go wrong.
He ain't hustling like that in Detroit.
Think he would buy into what coach, Russ, George, and especially Adams would turn him into.
He seems a lot more mobile on perimeter than Dre, something we allowed a lot, opponents slashing into our paint, forcing rotations ...

I want Avery here, eventhough as a possible rental, maybe he'll want to ride it out later if the journey goes in a good direction.

And I really think it's time for us to accept, Dre may never be the same pesk again ...

[thekaoswithin]

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Sometimes, eyetests can't go wrong.
He ain't hustling like that in Detroit.
Think he would buy into what coach, Russ, George, and especially Adams would turn him into.
He seems a lot more mobile on perimeter than Dre, something we allowed a lot, opponents slashing into our paint, forcing rotations ...

I want Avery here, eventhough as a possible rental, maybe he'll want to ride it out later if the journey goes in a good direction.

And I really think it's time for us to accept, Dre may never be the same pesk again ...

Any good defensive player will be able to step up in our system just as a byproduct of playing with Adams and PG13.

We might actually have a net gain bringing Bradley on, ofc his defence isn't on the same level as Robes but he can shoot 3s and is generally a way better offensive player. Allows us to play true 2 way lineups vs GSW and HOU.

Also FWIW, GSW fans on r/nba say that Bradley is probably the best Steph defender in the league. That can't hurt.

[bondom34]

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Sometimes, eyetests can't go wrong.
He ain't hustling like that in Detroit.
Think he would buy into what coach, Russ, George, and especially Adams would turn him into.
He seems a lot more mobile on perimeter than Dre, something we allowed a lot, opponents slashing into our paint, forcing rotations ...

I want Avery here, eventhough as a possible rental, maybe he'll want to ride it out later if the journey goes in a good direction.

And I really think it's time for us to accept, Dre may never be the same pesk again ...

No, actually eye test hasn't ever been right. By eye test Enes was great. Grant too. But neither are.

A Celtics fan:

Bradley is an incredibly overrated defender - a case of people's eye betraying them. They seem hyper athletic guy who can stay with PGs beyond the 3 point arc and assume the rarity of that makes one a dominant defender.

Smart was always significantly more impactful to defense than Bradley, Bradley is just a very one dimensional defensive player.

He has no handles or touch in the paint.

He's become a great off ball shooter, that's really his primary use.

(Sorry about the notification HBK)

[slick_watts]

pelton's espn article has some interesting second spectrum statistics on bradley and his defense.

if we could get him without giving up ferguson or our 2022 pick ok fine. but otherwise? meh.