Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[LuessiT]

Even with all our organizational issues the last forever years, it warms my heart to know that the Knicks have been exponentially worse in that time period.

Throw a rock and hit anybody, that person could run that organization better.

I'm still looking at the Lakers, too. Those contracts for Dieng and Mosgov. Then clearing Mosgov for cap space to attract two max FA's. If they now miss out on FA, that would be hilarious.

[raferfenix]

Noah has been a predictable and predicted disaster for the Knicks.

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Meanwhile Porzingis is publicly indicating he won't be happy if the Knicks make a tank trade -- much less give up value to get out from under Noah's albatross contract.

"Playoff experience for myself, individually, would be huge at this point in my career -- the sooner, the better," Porzingis said Monday, when asked his opinion about the Knicks' approach at the Feb. 8 trade deadline. "And for most of the [Knicks] -- most of the guys haven't felt that playoff experience that everybody talks about -- that the guys talk about that have been there. For myself, selfishly I would want to play in the playoffs but we'll see what happens and how we can end the season."

New York enters play Monday at 22-28, four games behind Philadelphia for the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference. Sources say that opposing teams have expressed interest in several Knicks, including Willy Hernangomez, Kyle O'Quinn, Enes Kanter, Lance Thomas and Courtney Lee, as the trade deadline approaches.

New York has lost 14 of its past 19 games after a solid start. It is unclear if team president Steve Mills and general manager Scott Perry prefer to trade veterans and develop younger players for the remainder of the season or continue to pursue a playoff spot.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22257018/kristaps-porzingis-says-new-york-knicks-add-experience-trade-deadline

[emunney]

Not sure why they'd stretch him. Worst case you cut him, use the roster spot on some flyer, and pay him on the contract's schedule like you would have if he was sitting on the end of your bench like he is now. Why they'd even consider **** with their flexibility in the out years is mystifying to me. You don't HAVE to stretch him. And I sure hope they do.

[Ron Swanson]

I get that Porzingis basically is their franchise at this point, but he's not nearly good enough of a player yet to make the front office go all-in on a playoff push. He's gonna be there the next 5-6 years, cuz RFA. Knicks would waive Noah ala Detroit with Josh Smith before they mortgage assets just to dump his salary. If they were attaching their 1st or Ntilikina I'd think that any team with the cap room to absorb his contract would be all over it.

[ackypoo]

Not sure why they'd stretch him. Worst case you cut him, use the roster spot on some flyer, and pay him on the contract's schedule like you would have if he was sitting on the end of your bench like he is now. Why they'd even consider **** with their flexibility in the out years is mystifying to me. You don't HAVE to stretch him. And I sure hope they do.

im still pissed we stretched hawes.

[emunney]

Not sure why they'd stretch him. Worst case you cut him, use the roster spot on some flyer, and pay him on the contract's schedule like you would have if he was sitting on the end of your bench like he is now. Why they'd even consider **** with their flexibility in the out years is mystifying to me. You don't HAVE to stretch him. And I sure hope they do.

im still pissed we stretched hawes.

Dumb and bad. Sure enough, the first trade we made would have gotten us under.

[ReasonablySober]

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[Rainwater]

Jordan is back on the table, my guess is to the Bucks or to the Cavs.

[raferfenix]

If the Clippers aren’t tanking maybe they value Henson or even Bledsoe as part of a package.

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[Wisky4life]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybb59vyj

[FlagsFlyForever]

Points per 100 possessions:
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Plumlee on the court (+11.7)
1. Golden State Warriors (+10.5)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Henson on the court (+7.4)
2. Houston Rockets (+7.4)
3. Toronto Raptors (+6.8)
4. Boston Celtics (+4.4)
5. Oklahoma City Thunder (+3.9)
6. San Antonio Spurs (+3.8)
7. Minnesota Timberwolves (+3.2)
8. Philadelphia 76ers (+2.4)
9. Indiana Pacers (+1.6)
10. Washington Wizards (+1.5)
11. New Orleans Pelicans (+1.2)
12. Portland Trail Blazers (+0.7)
14. LA Clippers (+0.6)
15. Cleveland Cavaliers (+0.3)
16. Denver Nuggets (0.0)
17. Charlotte Hornets (-0.1)
18. Utah Jazz (-0.9)
19. Miami Heat (-1.2)
20. Detroit Pistons (-1.2)
21. New York Knicks (-1.3)
22. Dallas Mavericks (-2.2)
23. Los Angeles Lakers (-3.0)
24. Memphis Grizzlies (-3.1)
25. Brooklyn Nets (-3.9)
26. Atlanta Hawks (-4.6)
27. Orlando Magic (-4.9)
28. Chicago Bulls (-6.1)
29. Phoenix Suns (-7.3)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Thon on the court (-9.4)
30. Sacramento Kings (-9.6)

Plumlee has only played 19 minutes this season so take his rating with a grain of salt. Obviously the Bucks are not going to continue playing better than the Warriors when Plumlee is on the floor. Nonetheless, this should support the notion that you can't trade John Henson unless you are trying to tank the season. The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

[Chuck Diesel]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7khn569

Bucks: Sabonis, Cory Joseph, Al Jefferson, Indy 2nd
Pacers: Eric Bledsoe, Thon Maker, Rashad Vaughn

Brogdon/Joseph/Delly
Snell/Brown
Middleton/Jabari
Giannis/Jabari
Henson/Sabonis

[Mitchacho]

Snell for Gortat would clean up our rotation and drop some long term salary commitments.

Thon + Delly for Gortat would be even better but probably too much to hope for.

I'm sure Beal and Delly would love being teammates.

[Dandridgefav]

Points per 100 possessions:
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Plumlee on the court (+11.7)
1. Golden State Warriors (+10.5)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Henson on the court (+7.4)
2. Houston Rockets (+7.4)
3. Toronto Raptors (+6.8)
4. Boston Celtics (+4.4)
5. Oklahoma City Thunder (+3.9)
6. San Antonio Spurs (+3.8)
7. Minnesota Timberwolves (+3.2)
8. Philadelphia 76ers (+2.4)
9. Indiana Pacers (+1.6)
10. Washington Wizards (+1.5)
11. New Orleans Pelicans (+1.2)
12. Portland Trail Blazers (+0.7)
14. LA Clippers (+0.6)
15. Cleveland Cavaliers (+0.3)
16. Denver Nuggets (0.0)
17. Charlotte Hornets (-0.1)
18. Utah Jazz (-0.9)
19. Miami Heat (-1.2)
20. Detroit Pistons (-1.2)
21. New York Knicks (-1.3)
22. Dallas Mavericks (-2.2)
23. Los Angeles Lakers (-3.0)
24. Memphis Grizzlies (-3.1)
25. Brooklyn Nets (-3.9)
26. Atlanta Hawks (-4.6)
27. Orlando Magic (-4.9)
28. Chicago Bulls (-6.1)
29. Phoenix Suns (-7.3)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Thon on the court (-9.4)
30. Sacramento Kings (-9.6)

Plumlee has only played 19 minutes this season so take his rating with a grain of salt. Obviously the Bucks are not going to continue playing better than the Warriors when Plumlee is on the floor. Nonetheless, this should support the notion that you can't trade John Henson unless you are trying to tank the season. The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

Well then Bucks better sign Plumlee fast at the start of the off season - offer him $12mil right out the gate so Bucks stay ahead of the crowd rushing to sign him.

[Dandridgefav]

Jackson was considering packaging Porzingis with Noah. Knicks may still try that with Hernangomez.

MIL-IN- Hernangomez, Matthews
OUT – Delly, Telly, Wilson, Vaughn, 1st-18,

NY-IN- Delly, Telly, Wilson, 1st
OUT – Hernangomez, Noah, 2nd

DAL-IN- Noah, Vaughn, 2nd
OUT - Matthews

Henson – ORL – Vucevic

Vucevic / Hernan / Plumlee
Giannis /
Middleton / Snell /
Matthews / Brown / Kilpatrick
Bledsoe / Brogdon / Terry

[Baddy Chuck]

DAL-IN- Noah, Vaughn, 2nd
OUT - Matthews

Dallas is not touching that.

[randy84]

Plumlee has only played 19 minutes this season so take his rating with a grain of salt. Obviously the Bucks are not going to continue playing better than the Warriors when Plumlee is on the floor. Nonetheless, this should support the notion that you can't trade John Henson unless you are trying to tank the season. The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

But the big question is are the Bucks willing to trade Thon or bring someone in that will take his spot or do they think they can develop him into something.

My thought is that the Bucks want to keep Thon and try to develop him. Otherwise its really not that hard to get a decent backup. Especially when you see the going rate for players after the Blake trade.

[JustinCredible]

Points per 100 possessions:
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Plumlee on the court (+11.7)
1. Golden State Warriors (+10.5)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Henson on the court (+7.4)
2. Houston Rockets (+7.4)
3. Toronto Raptors (+6.8)
4. Boston Celtics (+4.4)
5. Oklahoma City Thunder (+3.9)
6. San Antonio Spurs (+3.8)
7. Minnesota Timberwolves (+3.2)
8. Philadelphia 76ers (+2.4)
9. Indiana Pacers (+1.6)
10. Washington Wizards (+1.5)
11. New Orleans Pelicans (+1.2)
12. Portland Trail Blazers (+0.7)
14. LA Clippers (+0.6)
15. Cleveland Cavaliers (+0.3)
16. Denver Nuggets (0.0)
17. Charlotte Hornets (-0.1)
18. Utah Jazz (-0.9)
19. Miami Heat (-1.2)
20. Detroit Pistons (-1.2)
21. New York Knicks (-1.3)
22. Dallas Mavericks (-2.2)
23. Los Angeles Lakers (-3.0)
24. Memphis Grizzlies (-3.1)
25. Brooklyn Nets (-3.9)
26. Atlanta Hawks (-4.6)
27. Orlando Magic (-4.9)
28. Chicago Bulls (-6.1)
29. Phoenix Suns (-7.3)
Milwaukee Bucks w/ Thon on the court (-9.4)
30. Sacramento Kings (-9.6)

Plumlee has only played 19 minutes this season so take his rating with a grain of salt. Obviously the Bucks are not going to continue playing better than the Warriors when Plumlee is on the floor. Nonetheless, this should support the notion that you can't trade John Henson unless you are trying to tank the season. The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

Well then Bucks better sign Plumlee fast at the start of the off season - offer him $12mil right out the gate so Bucks stay ahead of the crowd rushing to sign him.

The point here (obviously) is that our offense is 2nd best in the league when Henson is on the floor and 2nd worst in the league when Thon is on the floor. Those are both massive sample sizes.

I’m curious how both of those guys stack up in this stat only looking at minutes they share the floor with Giannis. If it is still this wide of a gap than we need to trade Thon or send him to the G League immediately.

[paulpressey25]

The main problem with the Bucks all season has been Thon Maker. The Bucks play like an elite team any time Thon Maker is not on the floor. If the Bucks are going to make a trade, it needs to be to find somebody to take Maker's minute.

Prunty has made a major adjustment to cover this up. Giannis goes to the bench for rest at the 6 minute mark of the first quarter. He then comes back in concurrent with Thon or a minute into Thon's first appearance.

Has two benefits. Giannis can cover up for Thon running around like a chicken with his head cut off by providing help defense. Two, Giannis then feasts on the other team's second unit.

This seems to be a thing now.

[Matches Malone]

If the Clippers want some young players, do you think they'd be silly enough to gamble on Thon? I'd be down for DeAndre Jordan but if it's going to cost us Brogdon or Middleton, I'd rather we just went the cheap route.

Since they want young players but also don't want to bottom out and tank as some of the articles coming out are suggesting, maybe something along the lines of:

DeAndre Jordan + Lou Williams for Thon Maker + Tony Snell + Matthew Dellavedova + Mirza Teltovic

Hear me out. They get a couple younger players + guys who can contribute right away. Mirza depending on his health status, could possibly be looked at as an expiring. Also, if the Clippers want to shed salary without bottoming out, I'd think they would want to move DJ so he doesn't accept his player option (Which I think is likely, considering I doubt he'll get that much next season).

Okay, this is beginning to sound like a pipe dream, but that was my rationale for the trade lol.