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Post#141 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:04 am

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DusterBuster wrote:Leonard and Blazers 1st for Belinili? POR pick should fall between 17-22



Pass for me because Leonard is signed two more years after this year. I think we are trying to remain as flexible as we can moving forward.


Flexability for what tho? No offense, but Atlanta isnt gonna be a FA destination over the next couple seasons and Leonards contract will be long since expired before the Hawks could possibly need cap space for a major FA. Hell, even if they strike it rich with a rookie this summer, that rookie wont need an extension before Leonard has expired. Just not seeing what could be coming the Hawks way in the next couple seasons to see why they wouldnt use up their cap space to absorb a couple bad contracts in return for 1st rounders. That would seem to be their most logical use of cap space in the infancy stages of a rebuild.
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Re: Trade assets - current draft picks 

Post#142 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:38 am

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DusterBuster wrote:Leonard and Blazers 1st for Belinili? POR pick should fall between 17-22

I'd do it. We'd basically be buying the first rounder in exchange for taking on Leonard's bad contract, a case of trading cap for a first (like last year when we took on Jamal Crawford to get the Houston first).

Tbh I think coach Bud can actually increase Leonard's value in the system as well.


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Yes, this absolutely benefits the Hawks rebuild. Hawks have the time to absorb Leonard's contract, get a decent first and as ATL Boy says, Bud might up Leonard's value. No lose trade for the Hawks
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Re: Trade assets - current draft picks 

Post#143 » by Spud2nique » Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:57 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:Leonard and Blazers 1st for Belinili? POR pick should fall between 17-22



Pass for me because Leonard is signed two more years after this year. I think we are trying to remain as flexible as we can moving forward.


Flexability for what tho? No offense, but Atlanta isnt gonna be a FA destination over the next couple seasons and Leonards contract will be long since expired before the Hawks could possibly need cap space for a major FA. Hell, even if they strike it rich with a rookie this summer, that rookie wont need an extension before Leonard has expired. Just not seeing what could be coming the Hawks way in the next couple seasons to see why they wouldnt use up their cap space to absorb a couple bad contracts in return for 1st rounders. That would seem to be their most logical use of cap space in the infancy stages of a rebuild.



Our GM Schlenk emphasized remaining flexible at all times. That most likely means that we aren't taking on guys with lengthy contracts. Case in point, a big stiff like Leonard. BTW, if I were you guys I'd be looking to do a lot more that just try and get Baze. If I'm not mistaken Lillard had a nice convo with Paul Allen. No offense but you guys are kind of a middle of the pack team and I'm sure Lillard addressed that and more.

Besides, we already have 3 first round picks. How many more do we need????? Y'all gotta look at the situation before just agreeing to any deal because it's sending over a first rounder.
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Re: Trade assets - current draft picks 

Post#144 » by DusterBuster » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:48 pm

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Pass for me because Leonard is signed two more years after this year. I think we are trying to remain as flexible as we can moving forward.


Flexability for what tho? No offense, but Atlanta isnt gonna be a FA destination over the next couple seasons and Leonards contract will be long since expired before the Hawks could possibly need cap space for a major FA. Hell, even if they strike it rich with a rookie this summer, that rookie wont need an extension before Leonard has expired. Just not seeing what could be coming the Hawks way in the next couple seasons to see why they wouldnt use up their cap space to absorb a couple bad contracts in return for 1st rounders. That would seem to be their most logical use of cap space in the infancy stages of a rebuild.



Our GM Schlenk emphasized remaining flexible at all times. That most likely means that we aren't taking on guys with lengthy contracts. Case in point, a big stiff like Leonard. BTW, if I were you guys I'd be looking to do a lot more that just try and get Baze. If I'm not mistaken Lillard had a nice convo with Paul Allen. No offense but you guys are kind of a middle of the pack team and I'm sure Lillard addressed that and more.

Besides, we already have 3 first round picks. How many more do we need????? Y'all gotta look at the situation before just agreeing to any deal because it's sending over a first rounder.


Maintaining flexibility is GM fluff speak. Flexibility can be anything, not jusg always having gobs and gobs of cap space. Also, teams want as many firsts as possible because it gives them.... *ding ding ding* more flexibility!! They can move up in the draft, make trades, send some firsts to other teams for future firsts, etc.
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Re: Trade assets - current draft picks 

Post#145 » by CP War Hawks » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:04 pm

I'd do the trade especially if they can get some semi expirings for Bazemore in the near future. Meyers atleast shows resemblance of shooting ability.

Then I'd tag the Houston pick to Plumlee and try to get more expirings.
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Re: Trade assets - current draft picks 

Post#146 » by Spud2nique » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:08 pm

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Flexability for what tho? No offense, but Atlanta isnt gonna be a FA destination over the next couple seasons and Leonards contract will be long since expired before the Hawks could possibly need cap space for a major FA. Hell, even if they strike it rich with a rookie this summer, that rookie wont need an extension before Leonard has expired. Just not seeing what could be coming the Hawks way in the next couple seasons to see why they wouldnt use up their cap space to absorb a couple bad contracts in return for 1st rounders. That would seem to be their most logical use of cap space in the infancy stages of a rebuild.



Our GM Schlenk emphasized remaining flexible at all times. That most likely means that we aren't taking on guys with lengthy contracts. Case in point, a big stiff like Leonard. BTW, if I were you guys I'd be looking to do a lot more that just try and get Baze. If I'm not mistaken Lillard had a nice convo with Paul Allen. No offense but you guys are kind of a middle of the pack team and I'm sure Lillard addressed that and more.

Besides, we already have 3 first round picks. How many more do we need????? Y'all gotta look at the situation before just agreeing to any deal because it's sending over a first rounder.


Maintaining flexibility is GM fluff speak. Flexibility can be anything, not jusg always having gobs and gobs of cap space. Also, teams want as many firsts as possible because it gives them.... *ding ding ding* more flexibility!! They can move up in the draft, make trades, send some firsts to other teams for future firsts, etc.



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Re: Trade assets - current draft picks 

Post#147 » by MaceCase » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:02 am

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Spud2nique wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Flexability for what tho? No offense, but Atlanta isnt gonna be a FA destination over the next couple seasons and Leonards contract will be long since expired before the Hawks could possibly need cap space for a major FA. Hell, even if they strike it rich with a rookie this summer, that rookie wont need an extension before Leonard has expired. Just not seeing what could be coming the Hawks way in the next couple seasons to see why they wouldnt use up their cap space to absorb a couple bad contracts in return for 1st rounders. That would seem to be their most logical use of cap space in the infancy stages of a rebuild.



Our GM Schlenk emphasized remaining flexible at all times. That most likely means that we aren't taking on guys with lengthy contracts. Case in point, a big stiff like Leonard. BTW, if I were you guys I'd be looking to do a lot more that just try and get Baze. If I'm not mistaken Lillard had a nice convo with Paul Allen. No offense but you guys are kind of a middle of the pack team and I'm sure Lillard addressed that and more.

Besides, we already have 3 first round picks. How many more do we need????? Y'all gotta look at the situation before just agreeing to any deal because it's sending over a first rounder.


Maintaining flexibility is GM fluff speak. Flexibility can be anything, not jusg always having gobs and gobs of cap space. Also, teams want as many firsts as possible because it gives them.... *ding ding ding* more flexibility!! They can move up in the draft, make trades, send some firsts to other teams for future firsts, etc.

Yea, flexibility may sound like "fluff speak" to a fan of a team that treats the luxury tax like it's a necessity but to everyone else flexibility means being able to take a shot in the draft, free agency, and trade.

-There's only so much a team can do with three picks in the 20s, after all, remind us how successful were the Blazers last summer with their multiple 1st rounders?

-Free agency is not just restricted to signing top tier guys as there are multiple value contracts that can be attained as well, the Hawks have proven masterful in this strategy over recent history already.

-Then trade is more effective when you're not hampered by multiple toxic contracts already limiting what you can take back and the value that you can send out.

The asking price for Belinelli alone is a high 2nd rounder, at best the team would like a late first rounder. To come away with a late 1st and be hampered by a higher and longer contract for a much worse player is really poor asset management.
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Post#148 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:50 pm

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Post#149 » by graymule » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:33 pm

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As we contemplate the upcoming trade deadline and this summer's draft, we must ask, what do we really need?

First, we must determine who we keep. We all have our own ideas about this. Is this particular player that we
now have on our roster a true building block as we construct our future team?

Another question. We currently have three draft picks this summer. Do we really need three rookies? Can
we use these three to move up and grab that one special player. Or, is it better to grab three 1st rounders?

Is there, right now, some young, under used players we can grab with some of our veteran players with their
expiring contracts? There is a good probability that a team will want to "win right now" instead of waiting
for this player to develop that they are not using right now. Could be a good, long term deal for Atlanta!

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Post#150 » by graymule » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:50 pm

8-) - - From our current roster:

C--- Dedmon - Muscala
PF-Collins - Cavanaugh - White
SF-Prince - Brembry
SG-Delaney - Dorsey
PG -Magette - Taylor

If this is all we have left after the trade deadline, then perhaps we have obtained something good!

It's being said that the west is tearing down because there are only two teams capable of going all the way.
The east, on the other hand, because of what is happening to the Cavs, believe there is a chance for more
teams there to go all the way, therefore they are building up.

Hawks should be sellers in a buyer's market. We know, "not this season" is our motto for the playoffs.

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Post#151 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 1, 2018 8:45 pm

Ugggh.

Stay focused, fellas. Trade Baze. Get from under that horrid contract.

Michael Cunningham wrote:Hawks: The case for keeping Kent Bazemore

There are good reasons why the Hawks should trade Kent Bazemore before the Feb. 8 deadline. He’s a highly paid veteran on a rebuilding team. Bazemore was caught in between two Hawks eras: playoff pushes under then-VP Mike Budenholzer, and rebuilding via the draft under GM Travis Schlenk.

Certainly, if the Hawks can get a first-round draft pick or a bona fide young prospect for Bazemore, they’d have to strongly consider it. But there are good reasons to keep Bazemore, too. He’s a solid NBA wing, and he’s the kind of player the Hawks need around to help prevent their young players from forming bad habits from losing so many games.

Bazemore is a good NBA wing in large part because of his defense. Every metric confirms what the eye test says: Bazemore is a very good wing defender.

In a vacuum, Bazemore might be considered grossly overpaid, but not so much when placed into context. Bazemore’s salary this season is $16.9 million. That ranks among 23rd among players who reasonably can be considered “wings.

If the Hawks trade Bazemore and shed his $18.1 million salary for next season, they are going to have to find a replacement as the starting wing. That someone likely will be on a team with at least three rookies.

That’s why Schlenk has said the Hawks could be even younger next season. The Hawks are going to need veteran players to help maintain a professional culture and accountability.

The Hawks are right to explore trade opportunities for Bazemore. Obviously they should do it if it’s a no-brainer deal. Anything short of that, and I think there are good reasons for the Hawks to keep Bazemore.
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Post#152 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 6, 2018 1:29 pm

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Post#154 » by kg01 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:32 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Travis is prepared to part ways with anyone not brought in by him personally:

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He's coming through like a...wrecking ball.


Including himself apparently ... 'cause ya know ... he didn't bring himself there personally so ... :wink:
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Post#155 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 6, 2018 2:37 pm

kg01 wrote:Including himself apparently ... 'cause ya know ... he didn't bring himself there personally so ... :wink:


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RealGM Articles wrote:With the Trade Deadline just a few days away, it is time to look at which teams are Buyers, Sellers, Either or Neither. All places in the standings are through Sunday.

- Atlanta Hawks (15th place, 10.5 games out): Sellers. The Hawks have been in full rebuild role since the summer and nothing has changed as we approach the trade deadline. Atlanta will continue to sell off players to return even minor assets. Players like Marco Belinelli, Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Babbitt could all fetch the Hawks a second round pick from the right team. All are accomplished shooters and shooting remains in demand around the NBA. Atlanta could pursue bigger deals for players like DeWayne Dedmon, Kent Bazemore or even Dennis Schroder, but that seems less likely to happen until the offseason.
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Post#156 » by macd-gm » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:09 pm

Honestly teams like Boston, Bucks, Wiz should be looking at Moose. He hasn't played much this year but he's played well since he came back and he's been a clutch shooter in some playoff games. For a team like the Wiz who don't have a center that can shoot at all it'd give them a different look off the bench.
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Post#157 » by jayu70 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:48 pm

Schleck on 92.9 earlier:

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Post#158 » by macd-gm » Tue Feb 6, 2018 5:12 pm

jayu70 wrote:Schleck on 92.9 earlier:

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Just be honest. I know he's just playing the game they all play but if he is really pleased that we finish with the 4 or 5 or 6 worst record then I want a new GM because that is unbridled idiocy.
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Post#159 » by jayu70 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 5:15 pm

macd-gm wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Schleck on 92.9 earlier:

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Just be honest. I know he's just playing the game they all play but if he is really pleased that we finish with the 4 or 5 or 6 worst record then I want a new GM because that is unbridled idiocy.

:lol: :lol: Read again, he said he is pleased with the close to .500 ball they have played over the last few games.
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Post#160 » by Spud2nique » Tue Feb 6, 2018 5:18 pm

What’s he gonna say...I LOVE LOTTO BALLS!!!

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