Political Roundtable Part XVII

[stilldropin20]

Damn, it's been a while but this SD20 guy has made this thread borderline unreadable.

It's like "conservative" twitter puked all over a RealGM thread.

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[Ruzious]

Ted Lieu
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17h17 hours ago
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As a Member of the House Judiciary Cmte, I read the Democratic memo by @RepAdamSchiff & House Intelligence Committee minority staff. The memo corrects the misleading Nunes FISA memo and, unlike Nunes, Adam Schiff actually read the underlying classified docs.

[cammac]

To illustrate the contrary thinking of the current administration as uninformed and uneducated in immigration. Obviously Canada has embraced immigration as a solution to our low birth rate and has transformed from a very homogeneous society of 60 years ago into a vibrant multicultural nation. Many of our major cities are less than 50% white and all the cultures seem to work in relative harmony. Our immigration policy is geared at bringing people who fulfill specific needs in the Canadian economy and entrepreneurial immigration plus welcome graduating foreign students into our mosaic. Yes about 25% of the immigration is the unification of families and many of them bring skills or are children who are keys to our future. The educational system is geared to bring divergent non english/french speaking immigrants into a strong understanding of the national languages. The educational system from Pre K to 12 offers equal opportunities to learn across the spectrum economic situations.
Refugees represent 1/6th of the total immigration in the last couple of years mostly from the middle east bringing in families and offering them a peaceful and secure haven. Yes the refugees are carefully screened to avoid potential terrorists.

These are the real facts on immigration in the USA!

If Trump’s decision to cancel DACA is not reversed, it will cost Social Security an estimated $31.8 billion over the next decade. Moreover, if Trump and hardliners in Congress are successful in slashing immigration in half, Social Security will lose $2.4 trillion over the next 75 years. In contrast, if immigration were doubled, Social Security would gain around $5 trillion over the next 75 years.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/371294-immigrants-play-a-vital-role-in-securing-our-social-security

The reality the people who are the bigots will be supported in there old age by immigrants.
The height of irony!!!!

[Ruzious]

@tedlieu
15h15 hours ago
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As a Member of the Foreign Affairs Cmte, I find the weakness shown by @realDonaldTrump towards Russia to be deeply troubling. Sanctions law was not just to deter Russia, but to hold it accountable for hacking our democracy. Russia shouldn't get a mulligan.

[stilldropin20]

Just caught up with the thread.

The meltdown, though palpable is rather tame.

Can you guys step it up a bit? If the shoe were on the other foot I would have done it for you guys. seriously. i would have.

let me help. keep in mind that not only is your nothingburger going absolutely nowhere. But I was right the entire time. No more Russia fever to cling to. that in fact the entire outgoing Obama doj at the top is indeed going down and they might even point fingers to lynch and Obama. Likely to wjc n hrc.

I mean CNN all but laid down on you last night. Pelosi laid down. Schiff is the only pitbull you have left and even he is losing his teeth. Ted liue is just maing a name for himself and looks like a completely uninformed idiot. Must be in some district he cant lose

Maybe its still settling in? Still digesting?

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Gordon Corera‏
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Breaking - CIA chief Mike Pompeo tells the BBC he expects Russia to try and interfere in US mid term elections later this year. He tells me he hasn't seen a significant decrease in its subversive activity in Europe or the US.

[Wizardspride]

I have to say Trump refusing to implement the sanctions on Russia is legitimately scary. Laws mean nothing now.

He truly is The Teflon Don, causally dismissed without much notice in the Media. Can you imagine Sean Hannity’s eyes popping out of his head if a President Clinton had failed to enact sanctions after Russia had helped her campaign? This would be blaring Fox News headlines for a week.

Read this in its entirety.

(I know,I know. Its "fakenews etc etc)

Read on Twitter

Yesterday, after months of slippage, Team Trump finally blew its cover, exposing that it possesses a strange and unsettling fealty to the Kremlin for which there is no longer any benign explanation. Any one of yesterday’s bombshell developments would overtake the news cycle for weeks in any normal White House, yet this administration is anything but normal.

First, it was reported in the Swiss media, then picked up by The Daily Beast, that President Trump’s inner circle can be firmly linked to Russian intelligence. For months, speculation has swirled about the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan between top members of Team Trump and a Russian delegation led by Natalya Veselnitskaya, a Moscow attorney with high-level Kremlin connections. Donald Trump, Jr. and Paul Manafort (who is currently under indictment) attended the meeting, which they implausibly insisted was about Russian adoptions.

To anyone acquainted with Russian espionage tradecraft, that meeting appears to be a classic Kremlin effort to establish clandestine links with top members of the Trump campaign a few months before the 2016 election. Veselnitskaya, then, was playing the role of a trusted cut-out for Russian intelligence, giving Moscow plausible deniability in case the secret meeting came to light—which it subsequently did.

A recent Swiss scandal illuminates who Veselnitskaya really is. As established in Swiss court papers, a top federal investigator, known only as Victor K. due to Swiss privacy laws, in late December 2016 was lured to Moscow to meet with Veselnitskaya. For years, K. had been the lead investigator of Russian organized crime and financial malfeasance in Switzerland. His supervisors forbade K. from traveling to Moscow, given his position, but he did so anyway, in secret. There, Veselnitskaya attempted to recruit him as a mole inside the Swiss investigation of Kremlin crimes.

[Wizardspride]

Gordon Corera‏
@gordoncorera
Breaking - CIA chief Mike Pompeo tells the BBC he expects Russia to try and interfere in US mid term elections later this year. He tells me he hasn't seen a significant decrease in its subversive activity in Europe or the US.

Its the weirdest thing.

The IC continually says this and yet from all reports Trump doesn't believe it (maybe) and won't act on it.

[Ruzious]

"The Law and Order candidate" refuses to enforce US laws against his pals in Russia. He's more concerned with protecting Russians than he is with protecting Americans!

Btw, how are things going with making sure Puerto Ricans have food and water?

[stilldropin20]

I have to say Trump refusing to implement the sanctions on Russia is legitimately scary. Laws mean nothing now.

He truly is The Teflon Don, causally dismissed without much notice in the Media. Can you imagine Sean Hannity’s eyes popping out of his head if a President Clinton had failed to enact sanctions after Russia had helped her campaign? This would be blaring Fox News headlines for a week.

Read this in its entirety.

(I know,I know. Its "fakenews etc etc)

Read on Twitter

Yesterday, after months of slippage, Team Trump finally blew its cover, exposing that it possesses a strange and unsettling fealty to the Kremlin for which there is no longer any benign explanation. Any one of yesterday’s bombshell developments would overtake the news cycle for weeks in any normal White House, yet this administration is anything but normal.

First, it was reported in the Swiss media, then picked up by The Daily Beast, that President Trump’s inner circle can be firmly linked to Russian intelligence. For months, speculation has swirled about the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan between top members of Team Trump and a Russian delegation led by Natalya Veselnitskaya, a Moscow attorney with high-level Kremlin connections. Donald Trump, Jr. and Paul Manafort (who is currently under indictment) attended the meeting, which they implausibly insisted was about Russian adoptions.

To anyone acquainted with Russian espionage tradecraft, that meeting appears to be a classic Kremlin effort to establish clandestine links with top members of the Trump campaign a few months before the 2016 election. Veselnitskaya, then, was playing the role of a trusted cut-out for Russian intelligence, giving Moscow plausible deniability in case the secret meeting came to light—which it subsequently did.

A recent Swiss scandal illuminates who Veselnitskaya really is. As established in Swiss court papers, a top federal investigator, known only as Victor K. due to Swiss privacy laws, in late December 2016 was lured to Moscow to meet with Veselnitskaya. For years, K. had been the lead investigator of Russian organized crime and financial malfeasance in Switzerland. His supervisors forbade K. from traveling to Moscow, given his position, but he did so anyway, in secret. There, Veselnitskaya attempted to recruit him as a mole inside the Swiss investigation of Kremlin crimes.

Here's my take on Trumps intentions with Russia. keep in mind I've been right on everything Trump so entertain this thought for a second that I'm right with this as well. And keep in mind that Trump has been right with nearly all of his policies. You might not like his semantics but the policy itself is working for everyone and the entire free and liberal world is following in his footstpes with things like the travel and refugee ban from parts where vetting is impossible.

My take on Russia:

1. Its simple. all you have to do is listen to the man. He is TRANSPARENT as any president ever.
2. And he has once again already told us what he wants.
3. Which is to "keep the oil."
4. However he is not as dumb as many here believe he is(again something ive been right on)
5. So he needs an alliance with Russia to actually "keep the oil."
6. But he will need A fully compliant Russia and a fully compliant international community.
7. So sanction will never allow him to negotiate with Russia.
8. Something he has been dying to do since the day he took office.
9. because Putin at his core is also nothing more than a business man in office.
10. Putin already nationalized his central banking system.
11. trump wont go that far. at least not this early and likely never.
12. But Putin will happily play "bad cop" to what Trump hope to be a good cop when it comes to middle eastern oil.
13. Keep in ind that those middle eastern countries own little of their oil. Brittish companies(royal family and rothschilds) and american companies and south-american companies own over 60-70% of it. a few years back when I was researching this-look for your own damn sources)
14. So how do Trump and Putin pull this off? how do they get a bigger revenue stream fo rtheir countries out of this oil that was already "stolen" anyway by the royal family? How do we pull this off without WW3. keep in mind the last time Rothschild wealth was challenged that plunged the globe into WW1 and then WW2.

15. here's how.

16. trump gets Putin to withdraw from Ukraine and Crimea or at least allow a transparent vote in both regions. the people decide. trump "negotiate" the terms of that peaceful transition.

17. Which gives Trump and Putin tremendous international political capital to become allies. If you go back in history Russia and the united states have always been natural allies against the crowns of western europe and their financial oligarchs (the rothschilds). The United states finally caved into Rothschild pressure in 1913. russia did too from time to time in the 1900's. But Putin pushed them out again in 2016.

18. trump then allows russia to take control of the entire disorganiazed part of the middle east(syria, pahkistan, iran, iraq, palestine, etc) using figthing ISIS/taliban as cover. It will be a "peace mission. Russia spends its own money(because it can manipulate its currency as they nationalized their banking system and can issue notes instead of bonds. and uses most of its own forces so this saves the united states the politcal capital (of costs and lives).

19. Russia and the USA then co-occupy the middle east for a long time.

20. make money. aka "keep the oil."


Thats his phuckin plan. I guarantee it!!!!!!!

and if the media would get off his damn back. he could pull it off. keep in mind he is not actually "keeping the oil." there will be a simple surcharge on the cost of oil to the rest of the world and russia and the USA will pay less for oil. It will be sold as the "cost of peace"

and this can be a great thing.

1. we can have peace in the middle east.
2. and make some money along the way.
3. and become natural allies with russia again.

and for those clowns that dont understand that Russia is a natural ally then you need to go reread your american history going back 300 years up to the cold war. its the United states that has screwed over russia. not the other way around. Once europeans rothschild got full cntrol of our banking system inn 1913 it was never the same. and still they have come back to the USA with chance after chance as we are the only democracy that has a constitution that can stand up with them against European controlled central banking system. And i do understand that a lot of the central banking powers now reside in the US. But still.

anyhow that's my take on Trump and Russia.

Thats why trump does not want to instill the sanctions against russia. he needs this fake and phony cooked up russia collusion gate to get behind him so he can negotiate with Putin.

So here's a better question. Why is congress so intent on NOT letting him speak with Putin?????? Why cant we even let him have an open and honest conversation????? keep in mind that Obama and HRC just sold Putin 20% of our uranium reserves as well as handed over the entire uranium reserves in Kazakhstan in 2010. Practically yesterday we were selling him nuclear bomb material and today trump can NOT even have a candid conversation with him!!!???

Something not right there. Something dirty that they dont want trump to know from Putin.

[gtn130]

SD20, I'm never reading that novel and you're insane

[dckingsfan]

To illustrate the contrary thinking of the current administration as uninformed and uneducated in immigration. Obviously Canada has embraced immigration as a solution to our low birth rate and has transformed from a very homogeneous society of 60 years ago into a vibrant multicultural nation. Many of our major cities are less than 50% white and all the cultures seem to work in relative harmony. Our immigration policy is geared at bringing people who fulfill specific needs in the Canadian economy and entrepreneurial immigration plus welcome graduating foreign students into our mosaic. Yes about 25% of the immigration is the unification of families and many of them bring skills or are children who are keys to our future. The educational system is geared to bring divergent non english/french speaking immigrants into a strong understanding of the national languages. The educational system from Pre K to 12 offers equal opportunities to learn across the spectrum economic situations.
Refugees represent 1/6th of the total immigration in the last couple of years mostly from the middle east bringing in families and offering them a peaceful and secure haven. Yes the refugees are carefully screened to avoid potential terrorists.

These are the real facts on immigration in the USA!

If Trump’s decision to cancel DACA is not reversed, it will cost Social Security an estimated $31.8 billion over the next decade. Moreover, if Trump and hardliners in Congress are successful in slashing immigration in half, Social Security will lose $2.4 trillion over the next 75 years. In contrast, if immigration were doubled, Social Security would gain around $5 trillion over the next 75 years.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/371294-immigrants-play-a-vital-role-in-securing-our-social-security

The reality the people who are the bigots will be supported in there old age by immigrants.
The height of irony!!!!

One thing though you are still 88% white Caucasian and 3/4s of your immigration are skilled workers. I don't see how you compare the two.

Also, you are not comparing revenue (30B in lost revenue) to outlays (and not just at a federal level).

I think the DACA "problem" is that our immigration policy is broken. Don't we need to fix that as part of the overall equation?

We need to reverse familial based immigration (as a priority); reverse birthright immigration; and increase age/sex/skill based immigration. Sadly both parties focus on immigration isn't - both are just for political gain and not in the best interests of the country. The funny part is that a solid immigration policy described above would ensure employment and benefits for those very same dreamers.

[stilldropin20]

adding to my last post. ask yourselves a question. how did Putin get out from all Rothschild debt in the 12 years since he took office???

recall that russia was rattled with debt in 1991 to the point of full collapse and massive depression. How did they recover!!??


its simple. The putin controlled government seized foreign and domestic privately owned oil assets in the entire country. and they used the wealth to pay off their nations debt. Once that debt was paid off they nationalized their (former) rothschild controlled central banks.

Ask yourselves a question...if the american people have an enemy who is it? Who is our greatest enemy???

I would argue that the $20 trillion in national debt is our greatest enemy. that is what you go to work for everyday. to pay that down. keep in mind that 1 dollar out of every 2 that you pay in taxes goes to paying down just the interest on our national debt!!!

think about that. and in those terms, is that debt not an enemy of the state??? I argue that it is. and I could make a strong argument that central banks across the globe have encouraged various States across the globe to borrow to protect themselves from neighboring States that also borrowed from the same central banks. Plunging neighboring states into costly conflicts. rinse and repeat. Leaving our citizens to pay down this debt for generations. Why??

Why pay it??? And if we are going to pay it? Lets seize oil fields from private companies and pay for it that way. Why not? thats a serious question. Why not!!??

[I_Like_Dirt]

I'm not sure why % Caucasian even matters, but I'm also not sure where you're getting your numbers from.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm

You've got 20% of the population that is foreign born and 20% self-identified as visible minorities, and while it certainly could go both ways, in my experience it's much more likely that someone doesn't identify as such out of some perceived fear than does identify for some perceived advantage. I think it's pretty big stretch to put the concept of race in here. The skilled immigration part, yeah, but race? To me that's just pointlessly forced into the discussion because some people are afraid for reasons they have a hard time qualifying.

As for immigration policy being broken? Maybe. There definitely needs to be a certain rethink there. Though personally, I'd suggest that finding mutually beneficial trade agreements to try and help Mexico while helping America, too, rather than just have Mexico give something up for nothing in order to get a win is a way to help stem immigration that rarely gets suggested. A long-term view could be very beneficial on that front, but long-term success generally isn't something the public is ever interested in, and that is sadly true pretty much everywhere.

[cammac]

To illustrate the contrary thinking of the current administration as uninformed and uneducated in immigration. Obviously Canada has embraced immigration as a solution to our low birth rate and has transformed from a very homogeneous society of 60 years ago into a vibrant multicultural nation. Many of our major cities are less than 50% white and all the cultures seem to work in relative harmony. Our immigration policy is geared at bringing people who fulfill specific needs in the Canadian economy and entrepreneurial immigration plus welcome graduating foreign students into our mosaic. Yes about 25% of the immigration is the unification of families and many of them bring skills or are children who are keys to our future. The educational system is geared to bring divergent non english/french speaking immigrants into a strong understanding of the national languages. The educational system from Pre K to 12 offers equal opportunities to learn across the spectrum economic situations.
Refugees represent 1/6th of the total immigration in the last couple of years mostly from the middle east bringing in families and offering them a peaceful and secure haven. Yes the refugees are carefully screened to avoid potential terrorists.

These are the real facts on immigration in the USA!

If Trump’s decision to cancel DACA is not reversed, it will cost Social Security an estimated $31.8 billion over the next decade. Moreover, if Trump and hardliners in Congress are successful in slashing immigration in half, Social Security will lose $2.4 trillion over the next 75 years. In contrast, if immigration were doubled, Social Security would gain around $5 trillion over the next 75 years.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/371294-immigrants-play-a-vital-role-in-securing-our-social-security

The reality the people who are the bigots will be supported in there old age by immigrants.
The height of irony!!!!

One thing though you are still 88% white Caucasian and 3/4s of your immigration are skilled workers. I don't see how you compare the two.

Also, you are not comparing revenue (30B in lost revenue) to outlays (and not just at a federal level).

I think the DACA "problem" is that our immigration policy is broken. Don't we need to fix that as part of the overall equation?

We need to reverse familial based immigration (as a priority); reverse birthright immigration; and increase age/sex/skill based immigration. Sadly both parties focus on immigration isn't - both are just for political gain and not in the best interests of the country. The funny part is that a solid immigration policy described above would ensure employment and benefits for those very same dreamers.

Totally agree with you the Canadian model is a good one to copy primary immigration is high value and BTW 22.3% of the population is minority and growing.

[stilldropin20]

oh god...back to discussion on race?? christ. kill me now.

we are all human beings!! we all have the same DNA!! get over it!!

you guys will never ever ever understand and definately never solve any REAL problems until you get off of the bullshxt emotional non issues and get on the money trail. Until you follow the damn money you wont ever understand a damn thing!!!

[stilldropin20]

Ok. Back to the bull crap. Here we go. Here is some bull crap for ya.

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[Ruzious]

Here's my take on Trumps intentions with Russia. keep in mind I've been right on everything Trump so entertain this thought for a second that I'm right with this as well. And keep in mind that Trump has been right with nearly all of his policies.

Why would anyone keep reading after that? What world do you live in?

[Ruzious]

oh god...back to discussion on race?? christ. kill me now.

we are all human beings!! we all have the same DNA!! get over it!!

you guys will never ever ever understand and definately never solve any REAL problems until you get off of the bullshxt emotional non issues and get on the money trail. Until you follow the damn money you wont ever understand a damn thing!!!

That's actually a good post.

[dckingsfan]

To illustrate the contrary thinking of the current administration as uninformed and uneducated in immigration. Obviously Canada has embraced immigration as a solution to our low birth rate and has transformed from a very homogeneous society of 60 years ago into a vibrant multicultural nation. Many of our major cities are less than 50% white and all the cultures seem to work in relative harmony. Our immigration policy is geared at bringing people who fulfill specific needs in the Canadian economy and entrepreneurial immigration plus welcome graduating foreign students into our mosaic. Yes about 25% of the immigration is the unification of families and many of them bring skills or are children who are keys to our future. The educational system is geared to bring divergent non english/french speaking immigrants into a strong understanding of the national languages. The educational system from Pre K to 12 offers equal opportunities to learn across the spectrum economic situations.
Refugees represent 1/6th of the total immigration in the last couple of years mostly from the middle east bringing in families and offering them a peaceful and secure haven. Yes the refugees are carefully screened to avoid potential terrorists.

These are the real facts on immigration in the USA!


http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/371294-immigrants-play-a-vital-role-in-securing-our-social-security

The reality the people who are the bigots will be supported in there old age by immigrants.
The height of irony!!!!

One thing though you are still 88% white Caucasian and 3/4s of your immigration are skilled workers. I don't see how you compare the two.

Also, you are not comparing revenue (30B in lost revenue) to outlays (and not just at a federal level).

I think the DACA "problem" is that our immigration policy is broken. Don't we need to fix that as part of the overall equation?

We need to reverse familial based immigration (as a priority); reverse birthright immigration; and increase age/sex/skill based immigration. Sadly both parties focus on immigration isn't - both are just for political gain and not in the best interests of the country. The funny part is that a solid immigration policy described above would ensure employment and benefits for those very same dreamers.

Totally agree with you the Canadian model is a good one to copy primary immigration is high value and BTW 22.3% of the population is minority and growing.

Not that I think it matters except in how folks vote. I think the quality of the immigrants (sex, age, education) is the key. The figure below represents the last census for both countries...