2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[buckboy]

This is amazing.

Me 4 days ago: We might have lost some leverage in getting value for Santana.

Others: We'll get value for Santana.

Me: Ehh.

Others: The Marlins got value for Yelich and everyone knew they were trading him.

Me: No, they didn't.

Others: Yes they did.

Me: No, they were shopping him. They weren't going to trade him if they didn't get an offer they liked. We almost have to trade Santana based on Braun and Cain's no trade clauses and just acquiring Yelich. We're not going to go into the season with 4 starting outfielders and Thames, especially when we have a huge need for pitching and if we do, we're not maximizing our roster.

Four days later

Domingo Santana: The Brewer's came close to trading Domingo over the weekend. However, their pickups of Yelich and Cain may have impeded that. Apparently, the Brewers had offers for Cleveland, Tampa and one more team on the table. After the Brewer's acquisition of the OF's, it is known that Tampa upped what they wanted in return (Corbin Burnes) in a package for Archer. Stearns said no. Trade with T.B. has been put in limbo for now. My source gave the odds of Santana now be traded are at 75%.

Wait, are you saying that when the Brewers got Yelich and Cain that other teams wanted the Brewers to offer more because other teams feel that they lost leverage and lowered Santana's value? I was told that couldn't possibly happen.

Yes.

Was Santana traded for less value than you were expecting and I missed it?

Long way to go on that front.

[wichmae]

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[Turk Nowitzki]

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This screams of an agent saying "hey, leak another report that the Brewers are being super aggressive so the teams we actually want to go to up their offers" to me. I'm sure we want him, just not convinced he has any intention of ever coming here.

Maybe I'm too cynical and our recent activity has caught his attention, stranger things have happened.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Maybe it was a done deal and TB boned us. Might be a burned bridge if TB backed out of a verbal agreement. That's the risk of dangling so many plates in the air.

If nothing was agreed to it seems like pretty basic negotiating tactics from TB or whoever. If something was actually agreed to and the other team backed out, then yeah that's shady and there's not much Stearns can do about that. But yeah, this is what I was worried about.

[Gianstoppable]

This is amazing.

Me 4 days ago: We might have lost some leverage in getting value for Santana.

Others: We'll get value for Santana.

Me: Ehh.

Others: The Marlins got value for Yelich and everyone knew they were trading him.

Me: No, they didn't.

Others: Yes they did.

Me: No, they were shopping him. They weren't going to trade him if they didn't get an offer they liked. We almost have to trade Santana based on Braun and Cain's no trade clauses and just acquiring Yelich. We're not going to go into the season with 4 starting outfielders and Thames, especially when we have a huge need for pitching and if we do, we're not maximizing our roster.

Four days later

Domingo Santana: The Brewer's came close to trading Domingo over the weekend. However, their pickups of Yelich and Cain may have impeded that. Apparently, the Brewers had offers for Cleveland, Tampa and one more team on the table. After the Brewer's acquisition of the OF's, it is known that Tampa upped what they wanted in return (Corbin Burnes) in a package for Archer. Stearns said no. Trade with T.B. has been put in limbo for now. My source gave the odds of Santana now be traded are at 75%.

Wait, are you saying that when the Brewers got Yelich and Cain that other teams wanted the Brewers to offer more because other teams feel that they lost leverage and lowered Santana's value? I was told that couldn't possibly happen.

Yes.

Honestly I think that guys full of crap regardless, I'd take it as a grain of salt. Brewers took 2 outfielders off the market and have Domingo on. I doubt Domingo lost value because of that, it's more likely he doesnt have a ton of value because he sucks at defense.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I want to think that guy is full of crap too and just got lucky on the Yelich stuff but he did know about that Lucroy to Cleveland trade. Maybe he did know a little bit and is embellishing other stuff on his own now, I could buy that.

[Gianstoppable]

I know Yu wants to play where it's warmer, but he's got offers from MKE and the Cubs. Sure the Cubs have the better roster and more money but the Brewers have a roof I still think if we're going for it by making these moves we really need to go all in, not just the tip.

Trade Domingo and Ray/Ponce ~ for Salazar and Kipnis

Trade Woodruff, Ortiz, Trent and Erceg + ~ for Archer

Sign Yu/Cobb

Trade Davies for a legit bullpen guy and prospects or just prospects.

Yu, Archer, Salazar, Chacin/Nelson, Anderson,

Move Braun to 1st and spot start in OF, Thames can back up. Trade Jesus

Cain CF
Yelich LF
Braun 1B
Shaw 3B
Kipnis 2B
Pina C
Phillips RF
Arcia SS

Bench:
Villar
Hernan
Thames
Vogt

Probably too many lefties though

Won't need Sogard anymore

Bullpen:
Knebel
Hader
(Davies trade?)
Jeffress
Albers
Barnes
Williams
Logan

I'm bored, none of this probably would ever happen lol just ignore me.

[Kerb Hohl]

I came in pretty skeptical but he would have to be extremely lucky to have guessed all of that stuff he knew.

[Gianstoppable]

I came in pretty skeptical but he would have to be extremely lucky to have guessed all of that stuff he knew.

Id be more impressed if he called moves that we weren't linked to already. I said we should trade for Yelich and sign Cain a few days before we did, sometimes you just get lucky. But who knows, he could be legit. If he nails another one I'll be a believer

[ReasonablySober]

I don't think Darvish has any intention to come here. If he did, he'd have signed. He's waiting out other clubs.

[Thunder Muscle]

I don't think Darvish has any intention to come here. If he did, he'd have signed. He's waiting out other clubs.

I agree with this. I don't he does either.

[BUCKnation]

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This screams of an agent saying "hey, leak another report that the Brewers are being super aggressive so the teams we actually want to go to up their offers" to me. I'm sure we want him, just not convinced he has any intention of ever coming here.

Maybe I'm too cynical and our recent activity has caught his attention, stranger things have happened.

My exact thoughts, definitely seems agent related.

[El Duderino]

I don't think Darvish has any intention to come here. If he did, he'd have signed. He's waiting out other clubs.

And it very well could end up being for the best.

Darvish will get 5 or 6 years at big money and giving that kind of money to a pitcher over 30 comes with massive risk to pretty much any team, but it's especially risky in a market like Milwaukee. Have him get injured to his arm/shoulder fairly early into the contract or have him decline after a few years, it would be very harmful, even more so if Cain also declined quite a bit around the same time.

It would be exciting to land him and just as scary once the contract terms were announced.

[HaroldinGMinor]

This is amazing.

Me 4 days ago: We might have lost some leverage in getting value for Santana.

Others: We'll get value for Santana.

Me: Ehh.

Others: The Marlins got value for Yelich and everyone knew they were trading him.

Me: No, they didn't.

Others: Yes they did.

Me: No, they were shopping him. They weren't going to trade him if they didn't get an offer they liked. We almost have to trade Santana based on Braun and Cain's no trade clauses and just acquiring Yelich. We're not going to go into the season with 4 starting outfielders and Thames, especially when we have a huge need for pitching and if we do, we're not maximizing our roster.

Four days later

Domingo Santana: The Brewer's came close to trading Domingo over the weekend. However, their pickups of Yelich and Cain may have impeded that. Apparently, the Brewers had offers for Cleveland, Tampa and one more team on the table. After the Brewer's acquisition of the OF's, it is known that Tampa upped what they wanted in return (Corbin Burnes) in a package for Archer. Stearns said no. Trade with T.B. has been put in limbo for now. My source gave the odds of Santana now be traded are at 75%.

Wait, are you saying that when the Brewers got Yelich and Cain that other teams wanted the Brewers to offer more because other teams feel that they lost leverage and lowered Santana's value? I was told that couldn't possibly happen.

Yes.

You are a true martyr.

[ak7]

HighHeat19 said:
My source says the Brewer's and Cubs are trying to play keep away with each other in regards to Darvish. The Cubs biggest fear is the Brewer's getting Darvish. Both team's don't feel the Dodger's have the $ to get Darvish back.

Brewers expecting Darvish to sign by Monday.

The Brewer's also want Archer as well as Darvish.

Stroman was discussed today.

[Kerb Hohl]

I don't think Darvish has any intention to come here. If he did, he'd have signed. He's waiting out other clubs.

And it very well could end up being for the best.

Darvish will get 5 or 6 years at big money and giving that kind of money to a pitcher over 30 comes with massive risk to pretty much any team, but it's especially risky in a market like Milwaukee. Have him get injured to his arm/shoulder fairly early into the contract or have him decline after a few years, it would be very harmful, even more so if Cain also declined quite a bit around the same time.

It would be exciting to land him and just as scary once the contract terms were announced.

My take on a 5 or 6 year deal is that if they’re already going for it, it’s of course the risk as the final piece, but if it’s an absolute bust, he’ll rot through a rebuild.

If Cain and Darvish were to decline in 2-3 years, we’d be screwed regardless most likely. The one risk is everyone else panning our and the Brewers not having the little bit extra to get them over the top, but that wouldn’t be the worst problem to have (though it would be annoying).

[Tfence92]

HighHeat19 said:
My source says the Brewer's and Cubs are trying to play keep away with each other in regards to Darvish. The Cubs biggest fear is the Brewer's getting Darvish. Both team's don't feel the Dodger's have the $ to get Darvish back.

Brewers expecting Darvish to sign by Monday.

The Brewer's also want Archer as well as Darvish.

Stroman was discussed today.

A buddy of mine was telling me that same guy had another post about Darvish, apparently he is willing to sign her if we get Archer or Stroman.

[MickeyDavis]

I remember when Kenny Lofton was a big free agent name in '97. No way he was coming here or that we could afford him but Sal Bando took him out to dinner at an Italian place on the East side. That way his agent had more "leverage" and it could look like the Brewers were being active even though they weren't. He signed with Cleveland (who had traded him a few months before to the Braves) for 4/30.

[Tfence92]

I remember when Kenny Lofton was a big free agent name in '97. No way he was coming here or that we could afford him but Sal Bando took him out to dinner at an Italian place on the East side. That way his agent had more "leverage" and it could look like the Brewers were being active even though they weren't. He signed with Cleveland (who had traded him a few months before to the Braves) for 4/30.

So who are we suppose to wine and dine here? Lol

Anronetti? Neander? Random GM who has zero chance to get Santana?

[LittleRooster]

I remember when Kenny Lofton was a big free agent name in '97. No way he was coming here or that we could afford him but Sal Bando took him out to dinner at an Italian place on the East side. That way his agent had more "leverage" and it could look like the Brewers were being active even though they weren't. He signed with Cleveland (who had traded him a few months before to the Braves) for 4/30.

I was so excited, as an 11 year old, that he would sign here


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