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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#41 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:31 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Dont they have a ton of capspace? Besides this QB draft class isnt all that good. It doesnt take much to change a teams fortunes in football. Sign a good QB like Cousins and then surround him with talent in the draft.

I’m no expert at draft analysis but there’s like 5 QBs projected to go in the top 15.

None of which stand out. All have major flaws/questionable reputations. Do you gamble on a project in the draft? Or sign a sure thing? Likely better off signing Cousins & then drafting the best available talent to improve the squad.


If none stand out and you still have 5 going in the top 15, what does that say about the non-QB’s available?
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#42 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:56 am

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Worm Guts wrote:It’s not old, but he’s just above average and the Browns aren’t ready to be contenders. No reason to spend all that money when you have 2 picks at the top of the draft.

Dont they have a ton of capspace? Besides this QB draft class isnt all that good. It doesnt take much to change a teams fortunes in football. Sign a good QB like Cousins and then surround him with talent in the draft.


That’s why you do it. They can spend a high pick and draft a guy that might become a good QB in a couple of years or they can sign a guy that you know is a good QB. You get him an OL with the second of the 1st rounders and they should be a lot better next year. It really will all come down to the coaching. Talent won’t be an issue with them.


I’d rather take the risk on the unknown than make a guy who has never won a playoff game the highest paid player in the NFL.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#43 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:16 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Buffalo, Denver or Arizona would probably be good spots for Cousins. Teams with a decent supporting cast that could win right now. Cleveland probably should probably draft somebody and sign a stop gap. New Orleans is going to stick with Brees



Supposedly, the Browns tried to get Smith themselves. Wonder what they were offering... and if the Chiefs were playing it against the Skins?


He should consider the Browns in free agency. They actually have some pretty good weapons. If they could sign Cousins I would then use those two picks they have on DE Bradley Chubb to pair up with Myles Garrett and G Quentin Nelson to help shore the protection for Cousins. Then take the best RB available in round 2 or 3.


He’s going to have plenty of options. Browns... Bills... Broncos... Cardinals... and that’s just off the top of my head.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#44 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:06 pm

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FNQ wrote:Browns need to empty the vault, get Cousins, draft Barkley 1st. All of a sudden their O is legit.

That’s exactly what I think will happen. The Browns will simply outbid all interested teams.


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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#45 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:11 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:I’m no expert at draft analysis but there’s like 5 QBs projected to go in the top 15.

None of which stand out. All have major flaws/questionable reputations. Do you gamble on a project in the draft? Or sign a sure thing? Likely better off signing Cousins & then drafting the best available talent to improve the squad.


If none stand out and you still have 5 going in the top 15, what does that say about the non-QB’s available?


Not all 5 are going in the top 15. I wish they would. Because as a Cowboys fan, that would mean 5 teams are reaching for players which pushes 5 damn good players down to the 19th pick... but it ain't happening.

And I'm telling you as a USC fan - anyone reaching for Sam Darnold is going to regret it. He will cost a coach and a GM their job. Book it.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#46 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:19 pm

The Browns have passed Wentz and Watson the last 2 drafts, both who I would rather have than Cousins. All I know is that I would rather take the risk to find the guy who can single handedly keep in you contention every year, than overspend for someone who I know isn't that guy.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#47 » by Mich3006 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:28 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The Browns have passed Wentz and Watson the last 2 drafts, both who I would rather have than Cousins. All I know is that I would rather take the risk to find the guy who can single handedly keep in you contention every year, than overspend for someone who I know isn't that guy.

They tried it very often via Draft and you know the results.

Cousins might not be the best signal caller in the league but he´s a proven QB and that´s exactly what the Browns need after a 0-16 season, he guarantees wins (at least 6-9).

And btw... http://nfltraderumors.co/poll-kirk-cousins-end/
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#48 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:36 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:The Browns have passed Wentz and Watson the last 2 drafts, both who I would rather have than Cousins. All I know is that I would rather take the risk to find the guy who can single handedly keep in you contention every year, than overspend for someone who I know isn't that guy.

They tried it very often via Draft and you know the results.

Cousins might not be the best signal caller in the league but he´s a proven QB and that´s exactly what the Browns need after a 0-16 season, he guarantees wins (at least 6-9).

And btw... http://nfltraderumors.co/poll-kirk-cousins-end/


They've been at the top of draft a lot without ever really taking their shot, they always trade down or wait until the 2nd round. The last time they took a QB in the top 20 was Tim Couch. I'd take my shot and then maybe sign someone like Sam Bradford, who will give you competent play without breaking the bank.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#49 » by Pharmcat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:52 pm

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22271779/winners-losers-alex-smith-trade-kansas-city-chiefs-washington-redskins-2018-nfl-offseason

Plenty of people figured that the Chiefs were going to trade Alex Smith this offseason to free up their starting job for 2017 first-round pick Patrick Mahomes. They were half-right. The Chiefs didn't wait for the offseason to make their move, agreeing to a deal Tuesday night to deal Smith to Washington for a third-round pick and cornerback Kendall Fuller.

Washington's stunning trade for a new quarterback should reverberate around the league; a half-dozen teams that weren't involved with the deal suddenly saw their offseason plans change or come into focus. The deal (and Smith's subsequent extension) obviously suggest that Washington will be moving on from incumbent quarterback Kirk Cousins, who will hit unrestricted free agency.

Let's break down the winners and losers from this swap, both now and in the offseason to come:
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#50 » by Pharmcat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:52 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The Browns have passed Wentz and Watson the last 2 drafts, both who I would rather have than Cousins. All I know is that I would rather take the risk to find the guy who can single handedly keep in you contention every year, than overspend for someone who I know isn't that guy.


they passed on watson twice :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#51 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:15 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:The Browns have passed Wentz and Watson the last 2 drafts, both who I would rather have than Cousins. All I know is that I would rather take the risk to find the guy who can single handedly keep in you contention every year, than overspend for someone who I know isn't that guy.

They tried it very often via Draft and you know the results.

Cousins might not be the best signal caller in the league but he´s a proven QB and that´s exactly what the Browns need after a 0-16 season, he guarantees wins (at least 6-9).

And btw... http://nfltraderumors.co/poll-kirk-cousins-end/


They've been at the top of draft a lot without ever really taking their shot, they always trade down or wait until the 2nd round. The last time they took a QB in the top 20 was Tim Couch. I'd take my shot and then maybe sign someone like Sam Bradford, who will give you competent play without breaking the bank.


Dude... Sam Bradford has stolen enough NFL money.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#52 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:52 pm

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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#53 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:54 pm

The price of a good / very good QB in the NFL never goes down. Never. Ever.

I will guarantee you one thing. If Dak Prescott has a year close to his 2016 season, he will not go into his fourth season without a new deal in his hand. That is about as close to a nut bet as there is in the world.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#54 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:57 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:
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Ayatollah wrote:They tried it very often via Draft and you know the results.

Cousins might not be the best signal caller in the league but he´s a proven QB and that´s exactly what the Browns need after a 0-16 season, he guarantees wins (at least 6-9).

And btw... http://nfltraderumors.co/poll-kirk-cousins-end/


They've been at the top of draft a lot without ever really taking their shot, they always trade down or wait until the 2nd round. The last time they took a QB in the top 20 was Tim Couch. I'd take my shot and then maybe sign someone like Sam Bradford, who will give you competent play without breaking the bank.


Dude... Sam Bradford has stolen enough NFL money.


Maybe, but he's still NFL caliber player so he'll find another job.
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Post#55 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:59 pm

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Maybe, but he's still NFL caliber player so he'll find another job.


Always a place for a brittle backup in the NFL.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#56 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:03 pm

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Maybe, but he's still NFL caliber player so he'll find another job.


Always a place for a brittle backup in the NFL.


Or a serviceable stopgap.
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Post#57 » by Mamba Mentality » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:57 pm

Denver needs to make a play for Cousins.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#58 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:11 pm

This was on another forum... but sums up my feelings about this thing and the Redskins perfectly.

2 years ago it is really hard to imagine Washington bungling the Cousins resigning as bad as they have.

They now will have paid for Cousins/Smith 6 years $138 million.

To give an idea: Andrew Luck had just inked a 6 year $140 million 2 years ago.

So now not only do they have an older and lesser QB in Smith than they did in Cousins, they will have paid more for it if they would have just inked Cousins right away. And to top it off they had to throw in a 3rd rounder and a good young player to make it all happen.

Amazing stupidity on their part.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#59 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:02 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:I’m no expert at draft analysis but there’s like 5 QBs projected to go in the top 15.

None of which stand out. All have major flaws/questionable reputations. Do you gamble on a project in the draft? Or sign a sure thing? Likely better off signing Cousins & then drafting the best available talent to improve the squad.


If none stand out and you still have 5 going in the top 15, what does that say about the non-QB’s available?

It says that teams are desperate for QB's. Most taken in the 1st Round never live up to expectations or bust. It's fools gold.
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Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith 

Post#60 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:38 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:None of which stand out. All have major flaws/questionable reputations. Do you gamble on a project in the draft? Or sign a sure thing? Likely better off signing Cousins & then drafting the best available talent to improve the squad.


If none stand out and you still have 5 going in the top 15, what does that say about the non-QB’s available?

It says that teams are desperate for QB's. Most taken in the 1st Round never live up to expectations or bust. It's fools gold.


Reaching for any player is dumb. Reaching for a QB and missing costs your team 3-5 years of development. Fools gold indeed.
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