Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

DingleJerry · Post #1561 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:29 pm

Yea I'd say Snell getting about 4-5 points more per game would be living up to his contract and what you expect for 11 mil per year. So basically 1.5 more 3s per game. What he's doing so far is fine/adequate, whatever you want to use to say he's still a contributor. but for 11 mil I think you'd want a touch more. With new coaches who don't adamantly hate 3s hopefully that improves from here out. Doesn't mean they should be in a rush to move him. Let's get the team all playing and see what happens

SirChurros · Post #1562 » by **SirChurros** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:29 pm

The Bucks aren't adding a Paul George regardless, so it's kind of a moot point.

skones · Post #1563 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:32 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:The Bucks aren't adding a Paul George regardless, so it's kind of a moot point.

This isn't about Paul George. This is about having flexibility to add another star.

SirChurros · Post #1564 » by **SirChurros** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:34 pm

skones wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:The Bucks aren't adding a Paul George regardless, so it's kind of a moot point.

This isn't about Paul George. This is about having flexibility to add another star.

You need to round your team out with role players. The Bucks thought they had their core in place, and we'll get to see if it is now that Jabari is returning. If Giannis, Middleton and Jabari are all playing to their level of capability, you don't need to add another star to the roster. The Warriors won a title with really only one star (Steph).

skones · Post #1565 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:38 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:
skones wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:The Bucks aren't adding a Paul George regardless, so it's kind of a moot point.

This isn't about Paul George. This is about having flexibility to add another star.

You need to round your team out with role players. The Bucks thought they had their core in place, and we'll get to see if it is now that Jabari is returning. If Giannis, Middleton and Jabari are all playing to their level of capability, you don't need to add another star to the roster. The Warriors won a title with really only one star (Steph).

You don't round out your team with high cost mediocre role players. You round out your team with value bench pieces (see the Golden State bench). As far as the Warriors having one star? No.

Ron Swanson · Post #1566 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:45 pm

So a player is either outperforming his contract or he's hampering the team, so he should be traded. Yeah, I'm not building an NBA roster like it's franchise mode in 2K, because that's not reality.

Nor am I losing good wings for nothing just because of the pipe dream that a Paul George or Jimmy Butler might be both available and wanting to come to Milwaukee sometime in the next 5 years. If that opportunity ever arrises then that's exactly the benefit of having movable contracts like Snell and minor assets to attach.

Bernman · Post #1567 » by **Bernman** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:46 pm

Snell is our only guy dedicated to camping outside the 3 point line to provide space to our penetrators/Henson, and shooting with some volume + efficiency. So I'm not willing to easily relinquish that now, unless we're getting something in return who provides a similar service. It would be another Bledsoe for Monroe/1st type move in which maybe you're OK w/ the value in a vacuum but at the end of the day question if you really actually helped yourself in the interim because you lost something that was also in need for the team.

Badgerlander · Post #1568 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:06 pm

I think that you would have to change up our offense scheme-wise if you want to get Snell more touches. Look at his stats compared to Danny Green

http://bkref.com/tiny/3tYPw

IrishRainbow · Post #1569 » by **IrishRainbow** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:12 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:
Dandridgefav wrote:
Well then Bucks better sign Plumlee fast at the start of the off season - offer him $12mil right out the gate so Bucks stay ahead of the crowd rushing to sign him.

The point here (obviously) is that our offense is 2nd best in the league when Henson is on the floor and 2nd worst in the league when Thon is on the floor. Those are both massive sample sizes.

I’m curious how both of those guys stack up in this stat only looking at minutes they share the floor with Giannis. If it is still this wide of a gap than we need to trade Thon or send him to the G League immediately.

Just to be clear, this isn't just offense. This is overall net rating.

Giannis & Henson on the floor together (+9.5, 973 minutes)
Henson, no Giannis (-3.4, 210 minutes)
Giannis & Thon (-2.0, 514 minutes)
Thon, no Giannis (-17.6, 359 minutes)

That Thon sans Giannis is gross, but I'm guessing most nets sans Giannis are.

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BucksTuga · Post #1570 » by **BucksTuga** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:13 pm

We should only make significant moves on the offseason IMHO. To me the new coach should have a say on this matter. Let´s hold on unless we could make something out of Mirza, DJ, and Rashad which I seriously doubt.

HurricaneKid · Post #1571 » by **HurricaneKid** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:37 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:
Which also shows how insanely AWFUL that FO is. If they don't want Miro next year at 12.5 they are trading a pick that could easily become a lotto pick in a GREAT draft so they can dump 10M next year and a 3M buyout the following year. That's horrifying.

I think MIrotic for the balance of this year and then next year at $12.5mm is good value for the right team. He's like rich man's version of Telly. I'd take him on the Bucks.

I agree with this. Miro has a TO next season but given that it ruins his position to get traded and dumped he negotiated a no-trade that disappears if his option is picked up. So if the Pels want him and put ANY value on him for next season they should WANT to exercise that option. The trade fell through because they wouldn't pick up the option and Miro said "if you aren't picking up the option I will refuse the trade" which is within his rights.

What I'm saying here is that if NO actually wanted him they would clearly exercise the option and make the trade. The fact that they AREN'T and are losing the deal because of it shows me that they weren't interested in him as much as they were the other parts of the trade, which comes down to dumping 10M in salary next year and a 3M buyout the following year. That's insanity for a team that has the worst depth in the league.

raferfenix · Post #1572 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:39 pm

It's a fair point that Prunty's immediate success should caution our front office about making major changes.

Maybe Kidd really was that bad of a coach?

Is it possible even the likes of Thon can improve in a non-Kidd system?

If we could get someone like Koufos or Dedmon on the cheap (Vaughn + 2nd's) that seems plenty worthwhile. Or if we already think DJ Wilson is a Joe Alexander level bust we could get out now while he has a semblance of value.

Otherwise Snell is the most valuable piece I could imagine us putting on the table in the right deal for a non-star player. We are in a much better position now though to dictate terms than we were when careening under Kidd.

DingleJerry · Post #1573 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:40 pm

I think I saw a tweet from Simmons last night along the lines of last draft the Bulls sold their early second round pick for whatever it was like 2.3 mil. But in this trade that almost happened they'd have been paying like 15-20 mil (whatever it added up to) to acquire a mid teens pick. Prices seem a bit off.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1574 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:45 pm

DingleJerry wrote:I think I saw a tweet from Simmons last night along the lines of last draft the Bulls sold their early second round pick for whatever it was like 2.3 mil. But in this trade that almost happened they'd have been paying like 15-20 mil (whatever it added up to) to acquire a mid teens pick. Prices seem a bit off.

and in the meantime could have Jordan Bell

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1575 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:49 pm

Would love to add Mirotic to this Bucks roster for the remainder of this year, and next year....just not sure we have anything the Bulls would want for him.

He's pretty much exactly the player you wish Mirza was/is

Sauce Boss · Post #1576 » by **Sauce Boss** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:49 pm

The closer we get to the deadline, the more I want to do little to nothing. If we can dump a contract like Delly, Telly, Henson, great. If we can acquire a role player or two for nothing significant like KOQ or Belinelli, sure. That's about it though. I've waffled on trading Jabari, but now that Kidd is gone I think I'd just like to see what he's got. We go into the offseason hiring our new coach, then make some decisions on how to tweak things with a clearer vision for the next three years.

Ron Swanson · Post #1577 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:51 pm

Yep, Warriors haven't exactly hit on either of their last two firsts (Looney and Damian Jones), but they've been ahead of the curve in realizing how cheap mid-high 2nd rounders are in comparison to even late-1st's. It's why a lot of us have been saying for years that trading 2nd's isn't a big deal because you can just buy them for a couple million in cash every single offseason. With the way we've drafted in the 2nd compared to the 1st in recent years, wouldn't be the worst thing to take on that kind of strategy.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1578 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:53 pm

Sauce Boss wrote:The closer we get to the deadline, the more I want to do little to nothing. If we can dump a contract like Delly, Telly, Henson, great. If we can acquire a role player or two for nothing significant like KOQ or Belinelli, sure. That's about it though. I've waffled on trading Jabari, but now that Kidd is gone I think I'd just like to see what he's got. We go into the offseason hiring our new coach, then make some decisions on how to tweak things with a clearer vision for the next three years.

pretty much how i'm feeling

Badgerlander · Post #1579 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:54 pm

raferfenix wrote:It's a fair point that Prunty's immediate success should caution our front office about making major changes.

Eh if the right deal comes around you pull the trigger regardless, dont think the situation should dictate much of anything. I mean theoretically I dont ever want us making bad trades lol. Prunty beating teams that we should beat doesnt change the makeup of the roster or the length of contracts or the market in general etc.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1580 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:55 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yep, Warriors haven't exactly hit on either of their last two firsts (Looney and Damian Jones), but they've been ahead of the curve in realizing how cheap mid-high 2nd rounders are in comparison to even late-1st's. It's why a lot of us have been saying for years that trading 2nd's isn't a big deal because you can just buy them for a couple million in cash every single offseason. With the way we've drafted in the 2nd compared to the 1st in recent years, wouldn't be the worst thing to take on that kind of strategy.

it's exactly the strategy the Bucks should employ.

buy a second for this draft, and take a good basketball player (i.e. brown/brogdon) and let them be a cheap bench complementary piece. it's how you can help fill out your roster when all your salary is tied up in your "stars".