2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[Fat Kat]

IT wasn't that level of player when he signed that deal though. He was pretty much a sparkplug off the bench type like Beasley is for us.

Now that he's established himself, he can go ahead and try to gain that type of clout during his next negotiation.

Blake had a chance to have an NTC. He passed it up to get the 5th year on his deal. Now he can assess which aspect of his contract was really more valuable to him.

I'm bringing them up specifically to say "players should be pushing for NTC's more often since organizations treat them so disposably" so no disagreement here. Just not tryna hear that their salaries precludes them from wanting security in other forms.

If every player starts demanding NTC's, we'll see their salary/years come down (unless they are negotiating with Phil Jackson). I see a direct correlation.

They are getting security. They are just currently choosing financial security over geographic security.

Its not really a matter of player's choice when it comes to the NTC. There's a fairly strict criteria that a player needs to qualify for it. Just about every player that qualified, got it.

The NBA doesn't make it easy for players to have a no-trade clause included in their contracts. In order to get one, a player must have eight NBA seasons of experience and played for the team with which he is signing for at least four of them. If those conditions have been met, a no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract but not a contract extension. Because the circumstances required to get a no-trade clause are so specific, very few players meet the criteria.

[j4remi]

If every player starts demanding NTC's, we'll see their salary/years come down (unless they are negotiating with Phil Jackson). I see a direct correlation.

They are getting security. They are just currently choosing financial security over geographic security.

I think we've gone far from the original thread that started this conversation.This isn't an "every player" proposition and it's not a commentary on how they are currently negotiating contracts. I said examples of stars being screwed over is why I think we should re-examine the NTC model. Adjusting the model would make NTC's more palatable for organizations and in theory should help players by reducing the need to sacrifice financial security. The proposal is to make NTC's that don't run through the life of a long term contract. That would allow more players, specifically stars which I would hope was assumed, to push for a clause and turn it into a more common part of negotiations.

[GONYK]

If every player starts demanding NTC's, we'll see their salary/years come down (unless they are negotiating with Phil Jackson). I see a direct correlation.

They are getting security. They are just currently choosing financial security over geographic security.

I think we've gone far from the original thread that started this conversation.This isn't an "every player" proposition and it's not a commentary on how they are currently negotiating contracts. I said examples of stars being screwed over is why I think we should re-examine the NTC model. Adjusting the model would make NTC's more palatable for organizations and in theory should help players by reducing the need to sacrifice financial security. The proposal is to make NTC's that don't run through the life of a long term contract. That would allow more players, specifically stars which I would hope was assumed, to push for a clause and turn it into a more common part of negotiations.

Fair enough

[Grover]

Has anyone considered attempting to jump the Cav/Kings proposed trade where the Knicks send Lee, O'Quinn and Thomas to the Cav's, Shumpert, Frye and the Cav second round pick to the Kings with Hill coming to the Knicks with his injured toe? I don't know which throwins come the Knick way and I'd still prefer some straight expiring contracts with a pick ideally, but the Cavs would still have either of their first rounders and some assets to move for a defensive upgrade at the point and Hill is versatile enough to guard most twos when healthy. He just might be a superior mentor to Frank. Just wondering?

[earthmansurfer]

Has anyone considered attempting to jump the Cav/Kings proposed trade where the Knicks send Lee, O'Quinn and Thomas to the Cav's, Shumpert, Frye and the Cav second round pick to the Kings with Hill coming to the Knicks with his injured toe? I don't know which throwins come the Knick way and I'd still prefer some straight expiring contracts with a pick ideally, but the Cavs would still have either of their first rounders and some assets to move for a defensive upgrade at the point and Hill is versatile enough to guard most twos when healthy. He just might be a superior mentor to Frank. Just wondering?

We are in a really good situation as you allude to. We have some, let's say "Very good players available" in KOQ and LEE. Now, maybe the Cavs and Washington don't need those players specifically, but we can work a 3 team trade. The next few games determine, to a point anyway, if we are buyers or sellers. But let's face it, we absolutely suck at this point - I can't see us not selling.

Willy needs minutes, I really like KOQ, but if we can get something for him and open up minutes for Willy, then you do that.
If we can get Frank minutes by moving Jack (Maybe as a semi mini stop gap for WA?, then you do it.
Quite a few teams can use Lee, very nice player for a playoff team.

So, what trades you guys see (as I don't really follow the NBA as a whole much.)

EMS

[Knicksfan20]

Has anyone considered attempting to jump the Cav/Kings proposed trade where the Knicks send Lee, O'Quinn and Thomas to the Cav's, Shumpert, Frye and the Cav second round pick to the Kings with Hill coming to the Knicks with his injured toe? I don't know which throwins come the Knick way and I'd still prefer some straight expiring contracts with a pick ideally, but the Cavs would still have either of their first rounders and some assets to move for a defensive upgrade at the point and Hill is versatile enough to guard most twos when healthy. He just might be a superior mentor to Frank. Just wondering?

You want us to go after George hill? No.

[newyorker4ever]

Would you guys give Willy up to a team to take on J.Noah's contract?? Not saying any team would do that, just curious if anyone would if a team would do it. It would definitely be a thinker for me.

[Meat]

Has anyone considered attempting to jump the Cav/Kings proposed trade where the Knicks send Lee, O'Quinn and Thomas to the Cav's, Shumpert, Frye and the Cav second round pick to the Kings with Hill coming to the Knicks with his injured toe? I don't know which throwins come the Knick way and I'd still prefer some straight expiring contracts with a pick ideally, but the Cavs would still have either of their first rounders and some assets to move for a defensive upgrade at the point and Hill is versatile enough to guard most twos when healthy. He just might be a superior mentor to Frank. Just wondering?

phil?

[falcindor]

Jokim Noah
Willy Hermangomez
Doug McDermott

for

Andre Drummond


Knicks now play Kanter 30 min a game playing PF and Center. It becomes a 3 man rotation. Detroit gets some depth back.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Jokim Noah
Willy Hermangomez
Doug McDermott

for

Andre Drummond


Knicks now play Kanter 30 min a game playing PF and Center. It becomes a 3 man rotation. Detroit gets some depth back.

Detroit hangs up faster than you can finish the proposal.

[Mecca]

Jokim Noah
Willy Hermangomez
Doug McDermott

for

Andre Drummond


Knicks now play Kanter 30 min a game playing PF and Center. It becomes a 3 man rotation. Detroit gets some depth back.

Detroit hangs up faster than you can finish the proposal.

lol falcindor

[lloydj]

Knicks Trade:
Jokim Noah
Willy Hermangomez

Lakers Trade:
Deng
Hart

[earthmansurfer]

Would you guys give Willy up to a team to take on J.Noah's contract?? Not saying any team would do that, just curious if anyone would if a team would do it. It would definitely be a thinker for me.

I think management would do it in a heart beat. That is a whole lot of money for Willy's talent level imo.

[tleikheen]

It's starting to look like other teams have seen Willy Hernangomez's stiff bodied defense to offer much for him. If they can get and athletic player for him they should do it and then Willy should get real serious about his conditioning. So who would want him ?

For now NY needs to target young athletic wings who are in rotations now getting meaningful minutes ,starting with

Mario Hezonja
Stanley Johnson
Patrick McCaw
Cedi Osman
Terrance Ferguson

[NBA Fan 1234]

It's starting to look like other teams have seen Willy Hernangomez's stiff bodied defense to offer much for him. If they can get and athletic player for him they should do it and then Willy should get real serious about his conditioning. So who would want him ?

For now NY needs to target young athletic wings who are in rotations now getting meaningful minutes ,starting with

Mario Hezonja
Stanley Johnson
Patrick McCaw
Cedi Osman
Terrance Ferguson

We should trade Enes.

[magnumt]

It's starting to look like other teams have seen Willy Hernangomez's stiff bodied defense to offer much for him. If they can get and athletic player for him they should do it and then Willy should get real serious about his conditioning. So who would want him ?

For now NY needs to target young athletic wings who are in rotations now getting meaningful minutes ,starting with

Mario Hezonja
Stanley Johnson
Patrick McCaw
Cedi Osman
Terrance Ferguson

We should trade Enes.

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

[NBA Fan 1234]

It's starting to look like other teams have seen Willy Hernangomez's stiff bodied defense to offer much for him. If they can get and athletic player for him they should do it and then Willy should get real serious about his conditioning. So who would want him ?

For now NY needs to target young athletic wings who are in rotations now getting meaningful minutes ,starting with

Mario Hezonja
Stanley Johnson
Patrick McCaw
Cedi Osman
Terrance Ferguson

We should trade Enes.

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

Black hole (and I wouldn’t say he can pass, either), sacrifices defense for rebounds, and doesn’t defend. Don’t like him. Rather keep Willy who can provide much of what Enes does at 1/18th the cost.

Heart is cool and all, but it means nothing to me. Don’t want someone with his major deficiencies as part of the core taking up a big chunk of cap space.

Also, tleikeen is a Enes fan first / homer. He doesn’t care about the Knicks.

[magnumt]

We should trade Enes.

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

Black hole (and I wouldn’t say he can pass, either), sacrifices defense for rebounds, and doesn’t defend. Don’t like him. Rather keep Willy who can provide much of what Enes does at 1/18th the cost.

Heart is cool and all, but it means nothing to me. Don’t want someone with his major deficiencies as part of the core taking up a big chunk of cap space.

You can't be serious (not about the WillyG part)?!

He's not ZBo. And yes, you CAN call him a passer. He's gotten many games with 3+ Assists while with us.

We have Porzingis for Post Defense, where he LEADS the League for that. Porzingis rebounds & passes less, that's where Kanter comes in.

Everyone can't do everything. That's why you build a TEAM to cover deficiencies.

Also, don't discount heart so nonchalantly. It's a key to winning bro.

--Mags

[Knicksfan1992]

Again if we're trading Lee it should be to get younger. I think Detroit could have some interest once they realize they aren't going to get a much higher quality player back for what they have and they desperately need NBA-level starters/shooters on the wing around Blake and Dre.

Lee

for

Galloway
Stanley

Lee would help condense Langston's long term deal and gets them a more win-now type of player to help with their playoff chances in the short term.

Lang's contract while long isn't an albatross and could be easily moveable down the line and he's a plus defender and shooter. Take a flier on a 21 year old kid in Stanley who is a jumper away (albeit very far away) from being a useful 2-way guy. He's already bordering on elite defensively.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

Black hole (and I wouldn’t say he can pass, either), sacrifices defense for rebounds, and doesn’t defend. Don’t like him. Rather keep Willy who can provide much of what Enes does at 1/18th the cost.

Heart is cool and all, but it means nothing to me. Don’t want someone with his major deficiencies as part of the core taking up a big chunk of cap space.

You can't be serious (not about the WillyG part)?!

He's not ZBo. And yes, you CAN call him a passer. He's gotten many games with 3+ Assists while with us.

We have Porzingis for Post Defense, where he LEADS the League for that. Porzingis rebounds & passes less, that's where Kanter comes in.

Everyone can't do everything. That's why you build a TEAM to cover deficiencies.

Also, don't discount heart so nonchalantly. It's a key to winning bro.

--Mags

Dead serious. He'll provide similar interior scoring, similar rebounding, similar passing, and an actual willingness (and potential) to learn on defense. He showed more last year than Enes ever did. Let's not forget how BAD Marc Gasol was either on defense his rookie year.

There's more to passing than assists, but ok.

You can't cover a big whose defense is as bad as Enes'. That's why Donovan said "we can't play him" last year. It doesn't matter how many points he scores, his team defense and help defense is among the worst I have ever seen. He's literally refusing to contest shots and going to defend, taking HORRIBLE angles allowing guys to get right around him, giving an absurd amount of space on defense, etc. His defense is atrocious and cannot be covered. Pieces like him are not core pieces to teams that actually want to win, IMO.

Heart is great and all, but we have KOQ for heart. Give me KOQ over Enes 10 times out of 10 and it's not even close in my book. Defense, passing, does the dirty work, from NY and plays with heart, etc.