2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[newyorker4ever]

We should trade Enes.

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

Black hole (and I wouldn’t say he can pass, either), sacrifices defense for rebounds, and doesn’t defend. Don’t like him. Rather keep Willy who can provide much of what Enes does at 1/18th the cost.

Heart is cool and all, but it means nothing to me. Don’t want someone with his major deficiencies as part of the core taking up a big chunk of cap space.

Also, tleikeen is a Enes fan first / homer. He doesn’t care about the Knicks.

I've come way down on my being a Kanter fan but Willy can't do a lot of what Kanter can do. He can score around the basket but he can't rebound the way Kanter does and work under the basket the way he does and his energy and heart definitely rubs off on the other players. Both play bad defense but Willy's defense is sooooo bad. I like the potential of Willy but that defense and just his effort on defense is a big let down for me.

I still think we should trade Kanter without a doubt but i'd be fine with them trading any of our centers and if i had to choose one to keep it would actually be KOQ as a really good backup center. Unfortunately he's the most likely to be traded and even if we don't trade him, he's gonna opt out and leave anyway so hopefully we will be able to.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

Black hole (and I wouldn’t say he can pass, either), sacrifices defense for rebounds, and doesn’t defend. Don’t like him. Rather keep Willy who can provide much of what Enes does at 1/18th the cost.

Heart is cool and all, but it means nothing to me. Don’t want someone with his major deficiencies as part of the core taking up a big chunk of cap space.

Also, tleikeen is a Enes fan first / homer. He doesn’t care about the Knicks.

I've come way down on my being a Kanter fan but Willy can't do a lot of what Kanter can do. He can score around the basket but he can't rebound the way Kanter does and work under the basket the way he does and his energy and heart definitely rubs off on the other players. Both play bad defense but Willy's defense is sooooo bad. I like the potential of Willy but that defense and just his effort on defense is a big let down for me.

I still think we should trade Kanter without a doubt but i'd be fine with them trading any of our centers and if i had to choose one to keep it would actually be KOQ as a really good backup center. Unfortunately he's the most likely to be traded and even if we don't trade him, he's gonna opt out and leave anyway so hopefully we will be able to.

Willy - 20.4 TRB% last year, Enes is at 18.3% for his career. Enes' assists rate 9.8% this year (CAREER HIGH), Willy 11.5% last year. Enes 58% TS% for career, Willy 56.4% last year.

Willy showed more on defense last year than Enes ever has. Saying Willy's defense is "sooooo bad" makes me wonder what you think of Enes' defense. Is it "soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad?"

Again, Enes' heart doesn't mean anything to me because of his major deficiencies elsewhere.

[Meat]

It's starting to look like other teams have seen Willy Hernangomez's stiff bodied defense to offer much for him. If they can get and athletic player for him they should do it and then Willy should get real serious about his conditioning. So who would want him ?

For now NY needs to target young athletic wings who are in rotations now getting meaningful minutes ,starting with

Mario Hezonja
Stanley Johnson
Patrick McCaw
Cedi Osman
Terrance Ferguson

We should trade Enes.

Why?

I get the sell high vibe, but that would be a BAD move IMO. We NEED heart players like him (throwback to the 90s Knicks) who STILL also produce!

He plays very well with THJr and Porzingis, and can score, rebound and pass.

Most likely it's KOQ that is moved. Maybe even WillyG (doubt it tho).

--Mags

dont you dare, 90's knicks played defense

[tleikheen]

dont you dare, 90's knicks played defense

no team plays thuggish style 90's defense in 2018 or will in the future ...time to get with the times,a new NBA game is played now

[NBA Fan 1234]

dont you dare, 90's knicks played defense

no team plays thuggish style 90's defense in 2018 or will in the future ...time to get with the times,a new NBA game is played now

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

[tleikheen]

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

In points allowed per game

16 th Knicks
17th Minn
18th Houston
20th Phil
22nd Golden State
26th Cleveland

all with winning records and Kanter playing Center for NY
difference is they score more points so tagging these teams as better defensive teams doesn't fly ,but say their better offensive teams does BUT of course NY gives so many minutes to Lance Thomas ,Jarrett Jack,Courtney Lee ,Ron Baker doesn't help in this age of the NBA

[NBA Fan 1234]

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

In points allowed per game

16 th Knicks
17th Minn
18th Houston
20th Phil
22nd Golden State
26th Cleveland

all with winning records and Kanter playing Center for NY
difference is they score more points so tagging these teams as better defensive teams doesn't fly ,but say their better offensive teams does BUT of course NY gives so many minutes to Lance Thomas ,Jarrett Jack,Courtney Lee ,Ron Baker doesn't help in this age of the NBA

Check dRTG. I also meant championships.

[newyorker4ever]

Black hole (and I wouldn’t say he can pass, either), sacrifices defense for rebounds, and doesn’t defend. Don’t like him. Rather keep Willy who can provide much of what Enes does at 1/18th the cost.

Heart is cool and all, but it means nothing to me. Don’t want someone with his major deficiencies as part of the core taking up a big chunk of cap space.

Also, tleikeen is a Enes fan first / homer. He doesn’t care about the Knicks.

I've come way down on my being a Kanter fan but Willy can't do a lot of what Kanter can do. He can score around the basket but he can't rebound the way Kanter does and work under the basket the way he does and his energy and heart definitely rubs off on the other players. Both play bad defense but Willy's defense is sooooo bad. I like the potential of Willy but that defense and just his effort on defense is a big let down for me.

I still think we should trade Kanter without a doubt but i'd be fine with them trading any of our centers and if i had to choose one to keep it would actually be KOQ as a really good backup center. Unfortunately he's the most likely to be traded and even if we don't trade him, he's gonna opt out and leave anyway so hopefully we will be able to.

Willy - 20.4 TRB% last year, Enes is at 18.3% for his career. Enes' assists rate 9.8% this year (CAREER HIGH), Willy 11.5% last year. Enes 58% TS% for career, Willy 56.4% last year.

Willy showed more on defense last year than Enes ever has. Saying Willy's defense is "sooooo bad" makes me wonder what you think of Enes' defense. Is it "soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad?"

Again, Enes' heart doesn't mean anything to me because of his major deficiencies elsewhere.

I would have to think that you would know that stats don't always tell the truth and in the case of comparing Willy vs Kanter as basketball players....those stats definitely are not telling the truth. I hate most stats and think the eye test is so much more accurate.

I guess you missed the part where i said they both aren't good defenders? Yep i did.

[newyorker4ever]

dont you dare, 90's knicks played defense

no team plays thuggish style 90's defense in 2018 or will in the future ...time to get with the times,a new NBA game is played now

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

Houston Rockets.............................Nuff said

[NBA Fan 1234]

I've come way down on my being a Kanter fan but Willy can't do a lot of what Kanter can do. He can score around the basket but he can't rebound the way Kanter does and work under the basket the way he does and his energy and heart definitely rubs off on the other players. Both play bad defense but Willy's defense is sooooo bad. I like the potential of Willy but that defense and just his effort on defense is a big let down for me.

I still think we should trade Kanter without a doubt but i'd be fine with them trading any of our centers and if i had to choose one to keep it would actually be KOQ as a really good backup center. Unfortunately he's the most likely to be traded and even if we don't trade him, he's gonna opt out and leave anyway so hopefully we will be able to.

Willy - 20.4 TRB% last year, Enes is at 18.3% for his career. Enes' assists rate 9.8% this year (CAREER HIGH), Willy 11.5% last year. Enes 58% TS% for career, Willy 56.4% last year.

Willy showed more on defense last year than Enes ever has. Saying Willy's defense is "sooooo bad" makes me wonder what you think of Enes' defense. Is it "soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad?"

Again, Enes' heart doesn't mean anything to me because of his major deficiencies elsewhere.

I would have to think that you would know that stats don't always tell the truth and in the case of comparing Willy vs Kanter as basketball players....those stats definitely are not telling the truth. I hate most stats and think the eye test is so much more accurate.

I guess you missed the part where i said they both aren't good defenders? Yep i did.

Sure, but they have similar TRB% and that tells exactly what you think it does about rebounding ability.

no team plays thuggish style 90's defense in 2018 or will in the future ...time to get with the times,a new NBA game is played now

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

Houston Rockets.............................Nuff said

...who don’t have any bigs who can’t defend ... NUFF said. And they haven’t won anything...NUFF said.

[3toheadmelo]

Read on Twitter

[F N 11]

Read on Twitter

At least they’re trying for a young wing if true.

[F N 11]

Trigga Trey has spoken.

[3toheadmelo]

Read on Twitter

At least they’re trying for a young wing if true.

ya that's a good sign. also this was stanley last night against the cavs

Watch on YouTube

[newyorker4ever]

Willy - 20.4 TRB% last year, Enes is at 18.3% for his career. Enes' assists rate 9.8% this year (CAREER HIGH), Willy 11.5% last year. Enes 58% TS% for career, Willy 56.4% last year.

Willy showed more on defense last year than Enes ever has. Saying Willy's defense is "sooooo bad" makes me wonder what you think of Enes' defense. Is it "soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad?"

Again, Enes' heart doesn't mean anything to me because of his major deficiencies elsewhere.

I would have to think that you would know that stats don't always tell the truth and in the case of comparing Willy vs Kanter as basketball players....those stats definitely are not telling the truth. I hate most stats and think the eye test is so much more accurate.

I guess you missed the part where i said they both aren't good defenders? Yep i did.

Sure, but they have similar TRB% and that tells exactly what you think it does about rebounding ability.

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

Houston Rockets.............................Nuff said

...who don’t have any bigs who can’t defend ... NUFF said. And they haven’t won anything...NUFF said.

Ummmmmmmm but they win......NUFF said and i'm gone.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I would have to think that you would know that stats don't always tell the truth and in the case of comparing Willy vs Kanter as basketball players....those stats definitely are not telling the truth. I hate most stats and think the eye test is so much more accurate.

I guess you missed the part where i said they both aren't good defenders? Yep i did.

Sure, but they have similar TRB% and that tells exactly what you think it does about rebounding ability.

Houston Rockets.............................Nuff said

...who don’t have any bigs who can’t defend ... NUFF said. And they haven’t won anything...NUFF said.

Ummmmmmmm but they win......NUFF said and i'm gone.

They haven’t won any championships and, as I said, they don’t have a big who can’t defend like Enes.

Anyways, ok. Bye bye.

[SARGO127]

McDermott, KOQ, Jack for Asik, Pelicans 18 1st
Lee, Beasley for Stanley, Leur

Opens up burn for Dotson, Willy and gives us a young wing and a first.

[KnicksGadfly]

no team plays thuggish style 90's defense in 2018 or will in the future ...time to get with the times,a new NBA game is played now

But the teams that win actually play defense. I'm going to take your post as you finally giving in to the fact that Enes does not defend. Small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

Houston Rockets.............................Nuff said

The Houston Rockets that still haven't won a championship?

Golden State Warriors...nuff said. Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, KD, Iggy, all good defenders

[aq_ua]

McDermott, KOQ, Jack for Asik, Pelicans 18 1st
Lee, Beasley for Stanley, Leur

Opens up burn for Dotson, Willy and gives us a young wing and a first.

I think it needs to looks like Lee, Willy, and McDermott for Johnson, Leuer, and Galloway for the Pistons to bite.
Johnson doesn't really fit well with Blake, I could see a trade happening.

[thebuzzardman]

Johnson? Wow. Talk about not moving the needle.

Should be expected. The Knicks' players blow.

edit*

I supposed it moves the needle incrementally a little bit forward, which is all this team should expect for the next two years, plus contract doesn't go past KP's.