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Post#81 » by kingjawn100 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:04 am

Although the winning right now is worrisome for draft placement you’ve gotta think/hope that a few of these vets are gone next week. I think our win total is 7 or 8 if we had no ZBo as much as some want to rip him.

I’m high on Bamba and JJJ but with either i just dont know how we’re gonna score enough points to win games next year especially assuming ZBo is gone. To me Bamba/WCS/Justin Jackson/Bogi/Fox would be a team scoring around 85 per night. Also Bamba and JJJ arent lumbering big men but if we really think Fox is the cornerstone shouldnt we be adding pieces who will run with him?

I’m intrigued by Miles Bridges if we land outside the top 6 or trade down. No real weaknesses in his game
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Re: Draft Watch 2018 

Post#82 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:53 pm

jazanetti wrote:Speaking of Doncic I see lack of size and athleticism to be SF and lack of speed to be SG. And all these things are difficult or even impossible to develop. But his scoring and playmaking skills are incredible at the age of 18, so he's the most risky top-5 pick IMO, a lot in common with Tyreke.



I've watched him handle some PF's without issue. It's like with Bogdan, size might be a problem a percentage of the time but not enough to kill you.

The most looming concern I have is his ability to get the rack against NBA level competition. His lack of burst and change of speed will be the thing that hinders him if anything does.
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Re: Draft Watch 2018 

Post#83 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:55 pm

kingjawn100 wrote:Although the winning right now is worrisome for draft placement you’ve gotta think/hope that a few of these vets are gone next week. I think our win total is 7 or 8 if we had no ZBo as much as some want to rip him.

I’m high on Bamba and JJJ but with either i just dont know how we’re gonna score enough points to win games next year especially assuming ZBo is gone. To me Bamba/WCS/Justin Jackson/Bogi/Fox would be a team scoring around 85 per night. Also Bamba and JJJ arent lumbering big men but if we really think Fox is the cornerstone shouldnt we be adding pieces who will run with him?

I’m intrigued by Miles Bridges if we land outside the top 6 or trade down. No real weaknesses in his game


Miles is criminally underrated. If he really ends up around 10-15 I think the Kings should do all they can to trade back to nab him. I doubt scouts will follow these mocks and he won't be there that far down.
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Post#84 » by benchmobbin02 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:41 pm

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kingjawn100 wrote:Although the winning right now is worrisome for draft placement you’ve gotta think/hope that a few of these vets are gone next week. I think our win total is 7 or 8 if we had no ZBo as much as some want to rip him.

I’m high on Bamba and JJJ but with either i just dont know how we’re gonna score enough points to win games next year especially assuming ZBo is gone. To me Bamba/WCS/Justin Jackson/Bogi/Fox would be a team scoring around 85 per night. Also Bamba and JJJ arent lumbering big men but if we really think Fox is the cornerstone shouldnt we be adding pieces who will run with him?

I’m intrigued by Miles Bridges if we land outside the top 6 or trade down. No real weaknesses in his game


Miles is criminally underrated. If he really ends up around 10-15 I think the Kings should do all they can to trade back to nab him. I doubt scouts will follow these mocks and he won't be there that far down.


Miles isn't underrated. He will be in the 6th to 12th range IMO and that is right where he should be in this draft. His ceiling depends on intangibles mostly like Draymond Green. He isn't gonna grow (he's a generous 6'7) or get a bigger wingspan(6'9 wingspan). His offensive game is developed but his footwork looks maxed out, meaning he already uses it to his advantage to what seems to be the best of his ability and he isn't great around the basket or in the post. Defensively he can improve learning systems like Draymond did but the instincts aren't gonna improve past what they are.

A very general way of saying all this is he has a low ceiling. I don't think he will be a superstar or #1 option or even a #2 option on a good team and that is what I think we need. There are just too many high ceiling guys at the top of this draft. Now, I'm not saying Bridges won't be a very good player once he gets use to his role on a team. He is as sure a bet to be a long term success as it gets because of his all around game but like others have mention and discussed I don't think that is what we should be looking for primarily.
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Post#85 » by City of Trees » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:43 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:The most looming concern I have is his ability to get the rack against NBA level competition. His lack of burst and change of speed will be the thing that hinders him if anything does.


Bogie is similar in a way.

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Post#86 » by City of Trees » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:46 pm

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kingjawn100 wrote:Although the winning right now is worrisome for draft placement you’ve gotta think/hope that a few of these vets are gone next week. I think our win total is 7 or 8 if we had no ZBo as much as some want to rip him.

I’m high on Bamba and JJJ but with either i just dont know how we’re gonna score enough points to win games next year especially assuming ZBo is gone. To me Bamba/WCS/Justin Jackson/Bogi/Fox would be a team scoring around 85 per night. Also Bamba and JJJ arent lumbering big men but if we really think Fox is the cornerstone shouldnt we be adding pieces who will run with him?

I’m intrigued by Miles Bridges if we land outside the top 6 or trade down. No real weaknesses in his game


Miles is criminally underrated. If he really ends up around 10-15 I think the Kings should do all they can to trade back to nab him. I doubt scouts will follow these mocks and he won't be there that far down.

Yep.

Also he may be a sophmore but he is 19 like a lot of freshman. He is younger than Fox so his age shouldn't deter anyone.

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Post#87 » by kingjawn100 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:41 pm

I think Miles Bridges will almost certainly go top 10. He’s a guy thats rated highly now plus he’s on a great team that will be playing deep into march so the exposure will help him. Also when he goes to the combine and posts a 40 inch vertical he may push top 6-8.
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Post#88 » by kingjawn100 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:44 pm

Plus if you think he can improve his shot and become an nba 2-guard that changes the conversation entirely.
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Post#89 » by City of Trees » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:53 pm

kingjawn100 wrote:Plus if you think he can improve his shot and become an nba 2-guard that changes the conversation entirely.

I wouldnt count on him playing SG. His money at the next level is combo forward

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Post#90 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 1, 2018 1:17 am

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kingjawn100 wrote:Although the winning right now is worrisome for draft placement you’ve gotta think/hope that a few of these vets are gone next week. I think our win total is 7 or 8 if we had no ZBo as much as some want to rip him.

I’m high on Bamba and JJJ but with either i just dont know how we’re gonna score enough points to win games next year especially assuming ZBo is gone. To me Bamba/WCS/Justin Jackson/Bogi/Fox would be a team scoring around 85 per night. Also Bamba and JJJ arent lumbering big men but if we really think Fox is the cornerstone shouldnt we be adding pieces who will run with him?

I’m intrigued by Miles Bridges if we land outside the top 6 or trade down. No real weaknesses in his game


Miles is criminally underrated. If he really ends up around 10-15 I think the Kings should do all they can to trade back to nab him. I doubt scouts will follow these mocks and he won't be there that far down.


Miles isn't underrated. He will be in the 6th to 12th range IMO and that is right where he should be in this draft. His ceiling depends on intangibles mostly like Draymond Green. He isn't gonna grow (he's a generous 6'7) or get a bigger wingspan(6'9 wingspan). His offensive game is developed but his footwork looks maxed out, meaning he already uses it to his advantage to what seems to be the best of his ability and he isn't great around the basket or in the post. Defensively he can improve learning systems like Draymond did but the instincts aren't gonna improve past what they are.

A very general way of saying all this is he has a low ceiling. I don't think he will be a superstar or #1 option or even a #2 option on a good team and that is what I think we need. There are just too many high ceiling guys at the top of this draft. Now, I'm not saying Bridges won't be a very good player once he gets use to his role on a team. He is as sure a bet to be a long term success as it gets because of his all around game but like others have mention and discussed I don't think that is what we should be looking for primarily.


I've seen him down as low as 15-18 range on some mocks. I can see it happening, because you never know what teams are thinking, but that would be a major mistake for a lot of teams above that. The thing about Miles is he's starting to play on the wing full time and he's making the transition without his numbers taking a hit. That's kind of a big deal when you put it into context.
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Post#91 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 1, 2018 1:22 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:The most looming concern I have is his ability to get the rack against NBA level competition. His lack of burst and change of speed will be the thing that hinders him if anything does.


Bogie is similar in a way.

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Yeah, and the thing Bogdanovic has going for him is incredibly long arms. Doncic doesn't.
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Post#92 » by benchmobbin02 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:09 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:The most looming concern I have is his ability to get the rack against NBA level competition. His lack of burst and change of speed will be the thing that hinders him if anything does.


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Yeah, and the thing Bogdanovic has going for him is incredibly long arms. Doncic doesn't.


But there are no #s out on his wingspan. Just people eyeballing it from youtube videos.

He is also taller and bigger bodied(6'7-6'8 depending on where you look and 218) than BB while only being 19 meaning he could still be growing and up until this point they both played in the backcourt in Euroleague. They actually list him as a point guard on Real Madrid's roster.
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Re: Draft Watch 2018 

Post#93 » by benchmobbin02 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:16 am

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Miles is criminally underrated. If he really ends up around 10-15 I think the Kings should do all they can to trade back to nab him. I doubt scouts will follow these mocks and he won't be there that far down.


Miles isn't underrated. He will be in the 6th to 12th range IMO and that is right where he should be in this draft. His ceiling depends on intangibles mostly like Draymond Green. He isn't gonna grow (he's a generous 6'7) or get a bigger wingspan(6'9 wingspan). His offensive game is developed but his footwork looks maxed out, meaning he already uses it to his advantage to what seems to be the best of his ability and he isn't great around the basket or in the post. Defensively he can improve learning systems like Draymond did but the instincts aren't gonna improve past what they are.

A very general way of saying all this is he has a low ceiling. I don't think he will be a superstar or #1 option or even a #2 option on a good team and that is what I think we need. There are just too many high ceiling guys at the top of this draft. Now, I'm not saying Bridges won't be a very good player once he gets use to his role on a team. He is as sure a bet to be a long term success as it gets because of his all around game but like others have mention and discussed I don't think that is what we should be looking for primarily.


I've seen him down as low as 15-18 range on some mocks. I can see it happening, because you never know what teams are thinking, but that would be a major mistake for a lot of teams above that. The thing about Miles is he's starting to play on the wing full time and he's making the transition without his numbers taking a hit. That's kind of a big deal when you put it into context.


Yeah one draft has him down there and I think they took a bigger bong rip than usual there. I definitely agree that him dropping that far would be a mistake for teams. I do think there will be some risers as well like Kevin Knox, Trevon Duval and Shake Milton.
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Post#94 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 1, 2018 8:31 pm

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Yeah, and the thing Bogdanovic has going for him is incredibly long arms. Doncic doesn't.


But there are no #s out on his wingspan. Just people eyeballing it from youtube videos.

He is also taller and bigger bodied(6'7-6'8 depending on where you look and 218) than BB while only being 19 meaning he could still be growing and up until this point they both played in the backcourt in Euroleague. They actually list him as a point guard on Real Madrid's roster.


He could grow a little but I doubt this arms get much longer.
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Post#95 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Feb 1, 2018 8:33 pm

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Miles isn't underrated. He will be in the 6th to 12th range IMO and that is right where he should be in this draft. His ceiling depends on intangibles mostly like Draymond Green. He isn't gonna grow (he's a generous 6'7) or get a bigger wingspan(6'9 wingspan). His offensive game is developed but his footwork looks maxed out, meaning he already uses it to his advantage to what seems to be the best of his ability and he isn't great around the basket or in the post. Defensively he can improve learning systems like Draymond did but the instincts aren't gonna improve past what they are.

A very general way of saying all this is he has a low ceiling. I don't think he will be a superstar or #1 option or even a #2 option on a good team and that is what I think we need. There are just too many high ceiling guys at the top of this draft. Now, I'm not saying Bridges won't be a very good player once he gets use to his role on a team. He is as sure a bet to be a long term success as it gets because of his all around game but like others have mention and discussed I don't think that is what we should be looking for primarily.


I've seen him down as low as 15-18 range on some mocks. I can see it happening, because you never know what teams are thinking, but that would be a major mistake for a lot of teams above that. The thing about Miles is he's starting to play on the wing full time and he's making the transition without his numbers taking a hit. That's kind of a big deal when you put it into context.


Yeah one draft has him down there and I think they took a bigger bong rip than usual there. I definitely agree that him dropping that far would be a mistake for teams. I do think there will be some risers as well like Kevin Knox, Trevon Duval and Shake Milton.



I think Kevin Knox should get consideration in the top 5. He's the real deal.
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Post#98 » by kingjawn100 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 11:06 pm

Serious question for anyone who watches euro ball a lot...how much better does Doncic project to be in the NBA than Bogi? Just from the vids i've seen and everything i've heard he doesn't seem like a generational talent to me. Much morseo a safe/high floor pick.

The Kings are so far away from being a title contender that if we had the choice we should chose Ayton. He's the one guy in this draft that could revitalize the entire franchise. imagine Ayton/WCS/a healthy Giles in the front court along with Fox and Bogi in the backcourt. Not sure how many wins that gets you next year but it would be a very fun team to watch.
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Post#99 » by City of Trees » Thu Feb 1, 2018 11:29 pm

kingjawn100 wrote:Serious question for anyone who watches euro ball a lot...how much better does Doncic project to be in the NBA than Bogi? Just from the vids i've seen and everything i've heard he doesn't seem like a generational talent to me. Much morseo a safe/high floor pick.

The Kings are so far away from being a title contender that if we had the choice we should chose Ayton. He's the one guy in this draft that could revitalize the entire franchise. imagine Ayton/WCS/a healthy Giles in the front court along with Fox and Bogi in the backcourt. Not sure how many wins that gets you next year but it would be a very fun team to watch.

What makes Doncic standout is his skill level for the age of 18... Its off the charts.

Imagine his progression trajectory when he is Bogie's age.

However I also have Ayton #1.

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Post#100 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:19 am

It depends. As a PG Doncic can be special, as a wing playing off the ball I think he won't be nearly as prolific. Bogdan is better defensively from what I've seen but while good in pick and roll he hasn't nearly the vision Doncic does. If he doesn't run a team full time I think Hedo level is realistic.

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