Leuer could need surgery, and would be done for season...

[thesack12]

What is also a crock about the DPE is that the player could still come back - Boston might get Hayward back this season and can spend their $8M DPE that was awarded to them because he was "lost for the season".

Eh, a non Celtic employed Dr gave his diagnosis and opinion. You go see 3 different doctors, and there's a good chance you get 3 different opinions.

Some guys are fast healers, some guys are slow healers. Some teams have better training staffs. Some guys are willing to try the "experimental" treatments, other guys aren't. People respond differently to all treatments, especially these new school ones like "platelet rich therapy."

Hayward was also hurt in the very first game of the season affording a lot more healing time, whereas some of these guys went down a couple months into the season.

The only way to bypass all these variables is if the NBA makes a gag order saying if you use your DPE, that player is 100% ineligible to return at any point in the season.

[Kilo]

The only way to bypass all these variables is if the NBA makes a gag order saying if you use your DPE, that player is 100% ineligible to return at any point in the season.

Which I think it should be. You need independent league docs to verify the injury and healing time to teams don't use this as an end around on a bad contract. But if teams put in for one and it's granted they're saying they think their player is out for the season - that should mean if they use the DPE than that player is locked out from returning.

They could sit on the DPE for a few months to get a better read on the healing - but once it's executed they lose the DPE player for the season.

I think it's ludicrous that a player can come back if they heal faster than expected. I guess it might be a Players Association issue - blocking a healthy player from playing. But they're still getting paid - and this exception allows for more money to another union member so the NBAPA should be fully on board.

Either allow a DPE with the player locked out for the season if used, or don't allow DPE's at all - union's choice.

[thesack12]

The only way to bypass all these variables is if the NBA makes a gag order saying if you use your DPE, that player is 100% ineligible to return at any point in the season.

Which I think it should be. You need independent league docs to verify the injury and healing time to teams don't use this as an end around on a bad contract. But if teams put in for one and it's granted they're saying they think their player is out for the season - that should mean if they use the DPE than that player is locked out from returning.

They could sit on the DPE for a few months to get a better read on the healing - but once it's executed they lose the DPE player for the season.

I think it's ludicrous that a player can come back if they heal faster than expected. I guess it might be a Players Association issue - blocking a healthy player from playing. But they're still getting paid - and this exception allows for more money to another union member so the NBAPA should be fully on board.

Either allow a DPE with the player locked out for the season if used, or don't allow DPE's at all - union's choice.

I don't disagree with your thoughts. I was merely pointing out that as its currently constructed it wouldn't be a violation of any rules if Boston used their DPE, then Hayward came back later down the road.

Honestly, I haven't followed DPE situations in the past so I don't know how many times a team has been granted a DPE, and that player later returned.

[Kilo]

The only way to bypass all these variables is if the NBA makes a gag order saying if you use your DPE, that player is 100% ineligible to return at any point in the season.

Which I think it should be. You need independent league docs to verify the injury and healing time to teams don't use this as an end around on a bad contract. But if teams put in for one and it's granted they're saying they think their player is out for the season - that should mean if they use the DPE than that player is locked out from returning.

They could sit on the DPE for a few months to get a better read on the healing - but once it's executed they lose the DPE player for the season.

I think it's ludicrous that a player can come back if they heal faster than expected. I guess it might be a Players Association issue - blocking a healthy player from playing. But they're still getting paid - and this exception allows for more money to another union member so the NBAPA should be fully on board.

Either allow a DPE with the player locked out for the season if used, or don't allow DPE's at all - union's choice.

I don't disagree with your thoughts. I was merely pointing out that as its currently constructed it wouldn't be a violation of any rules if Boston used their DPE, then Hayward came back later down the road.

Honestly, I haven't followed DPE situations in the past so I don't know how many times a has been granted a DPE, and that player later returned.

It's probably much ado about nothing - I just got ginned up by Boston fans talking like he was sure to some back when it sounds like it's more like a pipe dream. They were talking about adding Moose with the DPE, trading for Tyreke Evans (rumored Yabusele and a FRP) and then Hayward coming back.

[thesack12]

^ Yeah, that article I quoted stated that only like 1/4 DPE's are ever used.

Like I said in the above post, I haven't really followed DPE's much. So I'm not sure if anybody has ever gotten real impact out of using one.

[Billl]

They really aren't that helpful because you can only use them on 1 year contracts. Boston could sign Moose for the rest of the season, but then what? The only thing they could offer after that is the same MLE they could offer now.

And teams have to apply for the DPE. They don't jut get it automatically. The league gets independent doctors to review the application and determines if the player is likely to miss the season. I don't think you would have found any doctors saying he was likely to come back from that injury this year.