Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[bwoolf2]

Its about time to go with a starting lineup I have wanted since the beginning of the year, its a way to Tank without Tanking...

PG . Booker
SG . Jackson
SF . Warren
PF . Chriss
C . Bender . (he needs to be in to provide spacing and shooting with Jackson as the SG)

I think we have enough length and athelticism that even if a C is able to beat Bender up down low we can help off, but how many Centers are there in the league outside of Embiid that would really put up enough points to worry about, there arent 30 ppg C's anymore. Might as well get them as much experience as possible and see if we cant force Bender to toughen up a little.

[BobbieL]

Anyone else think we'll claim Jameer Nelson off waivers (assuming he gets waived by Chicago)?
He fills a need.

I dont think so.

Sure, we need a back-up PG, but i feel like the FO would rather take the chance on a younger player that might show some shine and have a future in the league (While continuing the Tank), instead of a cheap vet who is on his way out of the league and would probably help us win some more games.

I think you ask him - do you want to play for the Suns or do you want to wait it out and go to a contender for the playoffs

If he wants too play for the Suns knowing the situation, that's fine and sign him. If he wants a playoff push - let him go do that. Veteran guy, deserves the playoffs if there

[sunsbum]

Why am I not surprised LeBron has the warriors and rockets as his top teams. I'm sorry, I just have no respect for this guy as a basketball player. He basically put together the Cavs and now, will most likely bail on them again. He got TT ridiculous money and suddenly wants to throw him out like yesterday's trash. I thought He was your boy LB!? you joker. He ran kyrie out of town. Ty Lue..........is an NBA coach. Ask Andrew Wiggins how his interactions with LeBron went.

LeBron never ever takes responsibility for anything unless he's got a mic shoved in his face but his actions everywhere else clearly tell a different story. I can't wait until he's out of the NBA.

[rsavaj]

Lin wouldn't be a bad option at PG if he opts out this summer/if he comes cheap/if he's recovered from his injury

[BobbieL]

Lin wouldn't be a bad option at PG if he opts out this summer/if he comes cheap/if he's recovered from his injury

Actually, when I saw the names above from I think a Hoops Hype link - if healthy, I thought the same thing.

[Kerrsed]

Lin wouldn't be a bad option at PG if he opts out this summer/if he comes cheap/if he's recovered from his injury

I originally thought that, but the more i looked at his stats and his age, the LinSANITY that we would be hoping for just isnt there anymore. He's pretty much 30, unathletic, injury prone, and in my opinion not worth the money he will be looking for nor the roster space he will take up.

[Desertfox]

I heard the 76ers where going after Tyreke Evans, why not help them do so and get TJ McConnell for our troubles?

[Fo-Real]

Anyone else think we'll claim Jameer Nelson off waivers (assuming he gets waived by Chicago)?
He fills a need.

Nope

[King4Day]

Bulls are keeping Nelson so that thought is off the table.

Anyone know if Canaan's surgery is done and how it went?
I'm more curious if there was more damage than the fracture. Hoping not.
I never watch these things but I feel obligated as a Suns fan. Granted, I saw it live, but I feel the sense to go through what the fans and team went through. My team and my visual pain too

[bwgood77]

Y'all are ridiculous. Why would we want McCaw? Why is everyone talking about going after average players. This cracks me up. We aren't going to win if our big sign is Patrick McCaw.

Lets counter the Warriors getting LeBron by nabbing McGraw.

J/K...that would be kind of funny if LeBron went to GS...almost just comical at this point. It would almost be a mockery of what Durant did.

I don't know that it would make them any better than with Klay and Iggy though..I mean Iggy doesn't have much left, but Klay is the best catch and shoot guy in the league that defenders can't leave to help on KD and Curry. Not that you can really leave LeBron either.

For the record - I have no idea if McCaw is the answer but I saw a list of potential FA point guard types:

Paul - not a chance
Lin - no
Tony Parker - 2008-2013 isn't walking through that door
Isiah Thomas - not next to Booker
Rajon Rondo - nope
Bradley - have talked about him on this board
Eldrid Payton - not much so far, taking a chance he improves with playing time

So, its either take a chance on a young guy is the way I see it or pay for Bradley

When I read the Pelton article - I just wondered about McCaw

I have no idea about McCaw...I was just joking. GS isn't going to get LeBron but it would be tough for them to match much of an offer sheet.

I was just reading about how much the Bucks were willing to pay Parker ($18 million). Not sure if he is someone people would want to go after if our PFs don't progress (though I still have hopes they do and think Chriss looked good last night, and Bender a bit more aggressive) and I used to not be much of a Parker fan due to lack of 3 pt shooting, but last year he made a leap there shooting 36.5%, and scored 20ppg with 6rpg and 3apg.

We'd probably have to consider a max that might get matched, but he might be the most realistic potential star type player at a position of need we could go after.

Of course there is the injury history though.

[bwgood77]

I heard the 76ers where going after Tyreke Evans, why not help them do so and get TJ McConnell for our troubles?

Help them how? Don't they have tons of cap space and pay TJ a very small contract? I don't think they need to move anyone to trade for Tyreke. Plus, being that he expires, I doubt they would want to move a solid backup pg.

[Bogyo]

I heard the 76ers where going after Tyreke Evans, why not help them do so and get TJ McConnell for our troubles?

Help them how? Don't they have tons of cap space and pay TJ a very small contract? I don't think they need to move anyone to trade for Tyreke. Plus, being that he expires, I doubt they would want to move a solid backup pg.

I have no idea of those either, but just the thought of getting TJ here deserved the +1!

[bwgood77]

I heard the 76ers where going after Tyreke Evans, why not help them do so and get TJ McConnell for our troubles?

Help them how? Don't they have tons of cap space and pay TJ a very small contract? I don't think they need to move anyone to trade for Tyreke. Plus, being that he expires, I doubt they would want to move a solid backup pg.

I have no idea of those either, but just the thought of getting TJ here deserved the +1!

Yeah, I'd love to have him. Don't see any reason they'd get rid of him though. They are paying him $1.4 million this year and have a $1.6 million team option next year and will be WAY under the cap.

[ATTL]

How many more acls can jabari tear?

[NavLDO]

anyone know legitimate reason to buy him out a week before the trade deadline? So many injuries and desperate teams

Im sure McD did his due diligence and couldnt find a taker while receiving players back that we were interested in.

I mean this as there were probably a few teams that were gun-ho to trade for him, but so they could dump some bad contracts on us, and whatever the attachment was (Young player or draft pick), it wasnt enough to move the needle for us.

It also allows us to pay him less than what is owed and creates an open roster spot, so if a team needs to get rid of a player to make a trade (Like Skal in SAC), we can take him on without trading anyone away.

But there’s no reason to do it a week before trade deadline unless we cleared space to take on a contract...which I highly doubt we are doing. Right? Why not wait?

I think it's one of those..."we'll find out in a week" answers. McD may have a plan, as has been discussed...or, as I'm betting, it's no plan, and he feels that nothing will change within a week. But if a team loses a Center, and takes him on within the next week...while we do absolutely nothing??? Well, then it will just be par for the course this season, which is basically...seemingly ZERO direction.

IDK, man, I like to think there's more behind this than good will and saving a few thousand bucks that a week buys Sarver, and what may look to US on the OUTSIDE like there was no plan, may not be the truth; it just may be a deal that was planned on and didn't materialize.

For every 'Woj bomb' we hear about, there's two that fly completely under the radar. I'm sure the Clippers/Detriot trade took a lot longer to develop than what it seemingly took to us fans...most likely weeks.

Sadly, it's a waiting game...

[Saberestar]

I like the idea of starting Booker/Jackson/Warren together.

I think that Jackson is able to defend players from 1 to 3.

Right now he can not defend PFs, but with more strength and experience he is gonna be able to defend them too.

We need shooting from Bender, Chriss and whoever we get in the summer from the draft (Ayton shooting would be great) or FA.

[JDLAW]

Disappointed with the Monroe buyout today, but waiting on passing judgment for a time yet...

Maybe there is another shoe that's going to drop before the deadline related to buying out of Monroe, but if not, it reeks of an under the table/future considerations agreement with Ainge to me. An FA signing of Greg was the only way he gets to Boston.

I'm confident McD made every effort to shop his expiring, but found nothing worth executing. Boston's "considerations" was the best option maybe.

Disappointed, but not condemning the early buyout just yet

I am not disappointed at all. I have no doubt whatsoever that McD shopped Monroe extensively and examined all the options he had. My guess is that there was nothing appetizing out there for the Suns. There were possibly teams that would give something in terms of players, but they would have been over the hill and with putrid contracts (e.g. Deng) and another marginal asset. For most teams, a trade would have to send $18M (less 25%) back and many would want at least dollar-for-dollar or better match so as to avoid tax implications. There just aren't that many teams out there that can make a trade involving an $18M contract, even if it is expiring. The Suns don't have the roster space to take multiple players back and they don't need a terrible contract back. Further, while the Suns might have considered taking back a longer deal, they likely would not have any more than an additional year, which would have put them in the same position they would have been with Bledsoe.

As for the early buy-out, the truth of it is that it gives Monroe a chance to catch on with another team early while the team has assets and roster positions. I have no idea what the buy-out number is, but the lower the better. Keep in mind what remains is only about $6M and that would be the upper limit. Even if the buyout it is only the vet min, the Suns would get an additional $1+ on their present cap space. By the way the explanation by poster from one of the other board's explanation is confusing and somewhat misleading.

All the wild trade speculation on a Monroe trade is just that. A trade didn't happen because of the dynamics of the marketing the potential teams/players that could be involved. It was not because the Suns did not try or McD was "lazy." I know it has been a long season so far and everyone is frustrated and disappointed; perhaps a little anger management is in order.

[JDLAW]

Read on Twitter

I'll take that to satisfy my concern about letting him go early.

I don't know who this guy is, but he speaks the truth here.

Monroe was a good player and teammate. He kept himself in shape and ready to play. From all accounts he was professional and a good teammate. But Monroe and his agent were well aware that he did not fit into the Suns future plans, there was even talk about him being bought out at the time we acquired him. Doing an early buyout gives him a chance to fit into a disabled player exception e.g.Hayward (Bos) or NOP (Cousins). It gives him a better showcase for his upcoming free agency than sitting on the Suns bench. This is a class move by the organization that does not often get enough credit for the class moves it has done for players.

The Suns get financial relief, additional cap space/flexibility (although it might be small) to use this year if they want and simplifies any deadline deal.

[JDLAW]

Read on Twitter

Monroe bought out.

Pretty much guarantees there will be no big move at the trade deadline seeing as our big expiring contract is bought out. Looks like we value cap flexibility this offseason more than a weak draft asset for eating salary.

Does not guarantee anything of the sort.

[lilfishi22]

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This organization does not treat players like garbage. They traded Dragic because it made sense for the organization. It did not hurt Dragic. I could have done without that terrible presser they did right after making that trade, though. They treated Bledsoe with respect, in my view. They seem to have been exceptionally good to Tyson, and Dudley doesn't appear to have any reason to complain. They obviously treated IT like an asset, but he signed that contract for the cash, not out of love for any particular organization. Whatever they might have owed the Morris twins went out the window with the disrespectful manner in which they treated this city and the fans after they were signed, not to mention their teaming up to commit assault and battery.

I've never believed this narrative. Hated that Dragic presser, but otherwise, I've seen no problem with how this organization has treated its players.

3 disgruntled players leaving on bad terms in McD's tenure. If he didn't learn the first time, he should've learnt the 2nd.

I don't want to go into each case since I've discussed them ad nauseum, but some can continue to believe McD wasn't a terrible manager of players.