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Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread

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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#981 » by Spud2nique » Thu Feb 1, 2018 4:03 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:If Michael Porter Jr is somehow drafted by the Hawks in the top 5, I can't tell if using a later selection to draft his less heralded little brother is feasible or not.

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Jontay Porter – Missouri

Michael Porter’s younger brother has become NBA Draft Twitter’s darling this season. It’s unclear if he’ll declare, but there’s a lot to like. Porter looks a bit on the heavier side, but he actually moves really well. On top of that his numbers are impressive, moving him into the top 30.

Porter is 6’10”, playing most of his time at the 4. For his NBA chances, he’s probably better off as a 5. There his passing, rebounding and shot-blocking are more optimal. He’s shooting around 33 percent from 3, but his 82 percent shooting from the free throw line is encouraging. Porter is 10th in the NCAA in defensive Box Plus/Minus, behind only behemoths like Mohamed Bamba. Add that to his 17 percent assist percentage and you start to understand the upside.
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Let’s let the Raptors draft him...Jontay and Kyle can hit up in n out together at midnight...2 birds 1 stone..(ps I’m an animal lover don’t throw anything at animals).
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Post#982 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 1, 2018 4:35 pm

Ideal Landing Spots for 2018 NBA Draft’s Top Prospects

1. Deandre Ayton: Atlanta Hawks

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Draft projection: Top two

Eligible teams based on current standings: Orlando Magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings, Dallas Mavericks

The Orlando Magic are overloaded with bigs. Meanwhile, the Sacramento Kings haven't had great success developing prospects or adding free agents to improve their roster.

The Atlanta Hawks make sense for Deandre Ayton, a strong No. 1 overall candidate who'd slide right into the starting center position, presumably alongside the explosive John Collins. Ayton would receive all the touches he can ask for in Atlanta, where he'd play heavy minutes right away, likely as a top option.

Atlanta currently generates the fewest points from the post in the NBA, and Ayton grades as one of the top post scorers in the country (1.061 PPP, 89th percentile), per Synergy Sports. The Hawks, who rank No. 8 in three-point percentage, would even have shooters to surround their rookie big man.

Outside of their own projected top-three pick, Atlanta also has two other first-round selections (via the Minnesota Timberwolves and Houston Rockets) to build with. Despite their record and lack of star power, the Hawks would be a promising, fitting franchise for Ayton to grow in.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#983 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 8:45 pm

Jontay Porter is listed at 6'11, he looks like he has a Horford type of body.

his stats are low, but he is an 85% free throw shooter, so that means he has a good foundation.

He should stay in school another 2-3yrs, but i can see him becoming a lottery pick down the line.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#984 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:40 pm

Fansided 2018 Mock Draft

2018 NBA Mock Draft: Marvin Bagley could save the Cleveland Cavaliers
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1. Luka Doncic
G, Real Madrid


Bill Simmons recently told a story about sitting with Rockets GM Daryl Morey at a game earlier this season. They were discussing the 2018 draft and its seemingly endless supply of star-level players. According to Simmons, the Rockets’ draft models -- developed by Morey’s own staff -- basically broke when they ran Doncic’s.

A player like him should not be able to exist. He is quintessentially a modern Moreyball archetype. Doncic is positionless in the best way, capable of winning matchups at three positions through elite shooting, passing and driving. In this one player, we might have the best handle, pull-up jumper and passing vision in the whole draft class.

Doncic playing in lineups full of shooters at every position would be a delight. Bet on coach Mike Budenholzer to make it happen.



29. Jontay Porter
F/C, Missouri


Porrter is the type of versatile big who could provide the skill set coach Mike Budenholzer prizes with the size the Hawks desperately need on the interior.

Unfortunately, Porter is in the middle of a massive slump. His scoring has disappeared over the last two weeks, and his 3-point shooting is down to 31 percent after missing 15 of his last 19. This is troubling because Porter is the kind of player who has advantages in nearly every matchup, combining speed, size and skill in a unique way.

I mentioned last week that he was able to make an impact against Texas A&M despite not scoring at all on Jan. 20. However, in a loss to Mississippi State over the weekend, Porter logged six points and four rebounds to go with four turnovers and not a single other stat. He’s hit a wall.

Yet the Hawks love toolsy players who can shoot, and have no long-term center on the roster right now. Porter is a good fit at the end of the second round.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#985 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:51 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Fansided 2018 Mock Draft

2018 NBA Mock Draft: Marvin Bagley could save the Cleveland Cavaliers
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1. Luka Doncic
G, Real Madrid


Bill Simmons recently told a story about sitting with Rockets GM Daryl Morey at a game earlier this season. They were discussing the 2018 draft and its seemingly endless supply of star-level players. According to Simmons, the Rockets’ draft models -- developed by Morey’s own staff -- basically broke when they ran Doncic’s.

A player like him should not be able to exist. He is quintessentially a modern Moreyball archetype. Doncic is positionless in the best way, capable of winning matchups at three positions through elite shooting, passing and driving. In this one player, we might have the best handle, pull-up jumper and passing vision in the whole draft class.

Doncic playing in lineups full of shooters at every position would be a delight. Bet on coach Mike Budenholzer to make it happen.



29. Jontay Porter
F/C, Missouri


Porrter is the type of versatile big who could provide the skill set coach Mike Budenholzer prizes with the size the Hawks desperately need on the interior.

Unfortunately, Porter is in the middle of a massive slump. His scoring has disappeared over the last two weeks, and his 3-point shooting is down to 31 percent after missing 15 of his last 19. This is troubling because Porter is the kind of player who has advantages in nearly every matchup, combining speed, size and skill in a unique way.

I mentioned last week that he was able to make an impact against Texas A&M despite not scoring at all on Jan. 20. However, in a loss to Mississippi State over the weekend, Porter logged six points and four rebounds to go with four turnovers and not a single other stat. He’s hit a wall.

Yet the Hawks love toolsy players who can shoot, and have no long-term center on the roster right now. Porter is a good fit at the end of the second round.



This hurts Doncic. Daryl Morey is one of the worst drafting GMs in the NBA today. His model is one of the worst ways to evaluate a player.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#986 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:53 pm

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NBA Scouts Love Duke's Other Top-10 Prospect

Marvin Bagley III soaks up the attention at Duke. But he hasn't distracted scouts from Wendell Carter Jr., who's quietly earning fans across the NBA.

"He's the sleeper we all know about," one NBA executive told Bleacher Report. Multiple scouts admitted to moving Carter into the top 10 on their draft boards this season.

He leads the team in box plus-minus while ranking fifth in field-goal attempts.

Nobody in the country is matching Carter's particular production and efficiency, per Sports-Reference.com. He's the only one averaging at least 14 points, nine rebounds and two blocks while shooting 60 percent from the floor—numbers he's accumulating in just 26.2 minutes per game.

The most frequently raised question from scouts revolves around Carter's defensive position: Does he guard NBA centers or quicker 4s?

It's not likely an alarming enough concern; Carter happens to block shots at a solid rate in college (3.1 per 40 minutes), and he isn't a complete stiff around the perimeter, though a small-ball 4 at the next level wouldn't be an ideal assignment
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Dude is legit. He isn't a franchise player, but he is a difference maker. Very reminiscent of AL Horford.

I might be ready to move him ahead of Marvin Bagley. :o


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Post#987 » by macd-gm » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:09 pm

It's hard for me to get sold on Bagley. I think he'll be a good stretch 4 in the NBA but not convinced he'll be a star. The majority of baskets i see him make are just abusing smaller, slower, less athletic college players that he'll never see in the nba.
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Post#988 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:21 pm

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NBA Scouts Love Duke's Other Top-10 Prospect

Marvin Bagley III soaks up the attention at Duke. But he hasn't distracted scouts from Wendell Carter Jr., who's quietly earning fans across the NBA.

"He's the sleeper we all know about," one NBA executive told Bleacher Report. Multiple scouts admitted to moving Carter into the top 10 on their draft boards this season.

He leads the team in box plus-minus while ranking fifth in field-goal attempts.

Nobody in the country is matching Carter's particular production and efficiency, per Sports-Reference.com. He's the only one averaging at least 14 points, nine rebounds and two blocks while shooting 60 percent from the floor—numbers he's accumulating in just 26.2 minutes per game.

The most frequently raised question from scouts revolves around Carter's defensive position: Does he guard NBA centers or quicker 4s?

It's not likely an alarming enough concern; Carter happens to block shots at a solid rate in college (3.1 per 40 minutes), and he isn't a complete stiff around the perimeter, though a small-ball 4 at the next level wouldn't be an ideal assignment
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Dude is legit. He isn't a franchise player, but he is a difference maker. Very reminiscent of AL Horford.

I might be ready to move him ahead of Marvin Bagley. :o





atlantabbq99 wrote:^ I would also add Wendell Carter to the list. He is #2 on my early board. He looks like a Budz' player. And pair perfectly with Collins. He is an above average athletic center with a jump shot. He kind of reminds me of DeMarcus Cousins in high school.


I posted that I had Carter as the 2nd best prospect since October 2017. I still have him in my top five. I'll stick with my previous comment, Wendell could be a poor man's DeMarcus Cousins, who has the bulk to bully guys in the post and good enough touch to shoot 35% from NBA three
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#989 » by jayu70 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:27 pm

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NBA Scouts Love Duke's Other Top-10 Prospect

Marvin Bagley III soaks up the attention at Duke. But he hasn't distracted scouts from Wendell Carter Jr., who's quietly earning fans across the NBA.

"He's the sleeper we all know about," one NBA executive told Bleacher Report. Multiple scouts admitted to moving Carter into the top 10 on their draft boards this season.

He leads the team in box plus-minus while ranking fifth in field-goal attempts.

Nobody in the country is matching Carter's particular production and efficiency, per Sports-Reference.com. He's the only one averaging at least 14 points, nine rebounds and two blocks while shooting 60 percent from the floor—numbers he's accumulating in just 26.2 minutes per game.

The most frequently raised question from scouts revolves around Carter's defensive position: Does he guard NBA centers or quicker 4s?

It's not likely an alarming enough concern; Carter happens to block shots at a solid rate in college (3.1 per 40 minutes), and he isn't a complete stiff around the perimeter, though a small-ball 4 at the next level wouldn't be an ideal assignment
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Dude is legit. He isn't a franchise player, but he is a difference maker. Very reminiscent of AL Horford.

I might be ready to move him ahead of Marvin Bagley.

But aren't we looking for a franchise player/changer. I'd be very dissapointed if we ended up with another 'Al Horford' and not a 'Kevin Durant'.
Who is the Franchise Player in this draft?
Do we take the chance on a 'potential franchise player' or a safer pick?
This season can't end sooner enough. I'm already looking forward to Summer League :) .
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Post#990 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:36 pm



Trae vs Sexton

both guys just had an average to good game, it wasn't really a showcase or Smitty vs Glen Rice duel like i was expecting, but both guys looked decent going up against each other.
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Post#991 » by macd-gm » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:36 pm

I'm only a casual observer but with my untrained eyes the potential franchise players in this draft are Trae Young, Luka Doncic, and Ayton. I don't have anyway to really judge Porter and it seems like Mikal Bridges might have a chance to be a Paul George type player. I feel like the Duke guys are getting a bump because they are at Duke and the team is really good. Sort of like that time we had the #2 pick and went with the athletic guy from the national champs..... (oh do i keep bringing that up?)
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Post#992 » by kg01 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:37 pm

If Carter's there at the HOU pick, by all means take him. Certainly not with our own pick. We could probably get similar play out of the Wilkins kid from UVA as an UDFA.

I can't get excited about no-position, semi-athletic guys from Duke regardless of college production. All their bigs "produce". Doesn't mean you take the next Lance Thomas with a top5 pick.
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Post#993 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:39 pm

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NBA Scouts Love Duke's Other Top-10 Prospect

Marvin Bagley III soaks up the attention at Duke. But he hasn't distracted scouts from Wendell Carter Jr., who's quietly earning fans across the NBA.

"He's the sleeper we all know about," one NBA executive told Bleacher Report. Multiple scouts admitted to moving Carter into the top 10 on their draft boards this season.

He leads the team in box plus-minus while ranking fifth in field-goal attempts.

Nobody in the country is matching Carter's particular production and efficiency, per Sports-Reference.com. He's the only one averaging at least 14 points, nine rebounds and two blocks while shooting 60 percent from the floor—numbers he's accumulating in just 26.2 minutes per game.

The most frequently raised question from scouts revolves around Carter's defensive position: Does he guard NBA centers or quicker 4s?

It's not likely an alarming enough concern; Carter happens to block shots at a solid rate in college (3.1 per 40 minutes), and he isn't a complete stiff around the perimeter, though a small-ball 4 at the next level wouldn't be an ideal assignment
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Dude is legit. He isn't a franchise player, but he is a difference maker. Very reminiscent of AL Horford.

I might be ready to move him ahead of Marvin Bagley.

But aren't we looking for a franchise player/changer. I'd be very dissapointed if we ended up with another 'Al Horford' and not a 'Kevin Durant'.
Who is the Franchise Player in this draft?
Do we take the chance on a 'potential franchise player' or a safer pick?
This season can't end sooner enough. I'm already looking forward to Summer League :) .


Hawks can't be picky or crying if they end up with the 5th pick
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Post#994 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:40 pm

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Dude is legit. He isn't a franchise player, but he is a difference maker. Very reminiscent of AL Horford.

I might be ready to move him ahead of Marvin Bagley. :o



atlantabbq99 wrote:^ I would also add Wendell Carter to the list. He is #2 on my early board. He looks like a Budz' player. And pair perfectly with Collins. He is an above average athletic center with a jump shot. He kind of reminds me of DeMarcus Cousins in high school.


I posted that I had Carter as the 2nd best prospect since October 2017. I still have him in my top five. I'll stick with my previous comment, Wendell could be a poor man's DeMarcus Cousins, who has the bulk to bully guys in the post and good enough touch to shoot 35% from NBA three



1. Yeah. I remember you saying this months ago.
2. That comparison isn't nearly as crazy as it once seemed.
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Post#995 » by macd-gm » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:42 pm

This is just shaping up like the 2005 draft.
1. Ayton (Bogut) - Ayton should be a lot better but you never know
2. Marvin (Marvin)
3. Doncic (Deron) - not that comparable as players
4. Young (CP3) -
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Post#996 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:43 pm

I have Ayton and Luka as perennial all stars, and i have Wendell, Bagley, Young, Bridges, and Sexton as occasional all stars . If the Hawks can't land a top two pick, they will be in the Horford situation again and just have to find the best player available.
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Post#997 » by jayu70 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:44 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:
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Dude is legit. He isn't a franchise player, but he is a difference maker. Very reminiscent of AL Horford.

I might be ready to move him ahead of Marvin Bagley.

But aren't we looking for a franchise player/changer. I'd be very dissapointed if we ended up with another 'Al Horford' and not a 'Kevin Durant'.
Who is the Franchise Player in this draft?
Do we take the chance on a 'potential franchise player' or a safer pick?
This season can't end sooner enough. I'm already looking forward to Summer League :) .


Hawks can't be picky or crying if they end up with the 5th pick

5? I'm assuming we get picks 1-3.
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Post#998 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:54 pm

1. Ayton - David Robinson/KG
2. Luka - Rich man's Hedo Turkoglu 2008/James Harden
3. Wendell - Poor man's DeMarcus Cousins
4. Bagley - Chris Webber
5. Young - Damian Lillard
6. Bridges - Paul George
7. Sexton - Eric Bledsoe/John Wall
8. Brandon McCoy - Hassan Whiteside
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Post#999 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:56 pm

jayu70 wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:But aren't we looking for a franchise player/changer. I'd be very dissapointed if we ended up with another 'Al Horford' and not a 'Kevin Durant'.
Who is the Franchise Player in this draft?
Do we take the chance on a 'potential franchise player' or a safer pick?
This season can't end sooner enough. I'm already looking forward to Summer League :) .


Hawks can't be picky or crying if they end up with the 5th pick

5? I'm assuming we get picks 1-3.


The NBA loves to screw the Hawks and they love giving #1 picks to Orlando.
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Post#1000 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 6:22 pm

If they end up getting the 3rd / 4th pick, what about Bamba?

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