Political Roundtable Part XVII

[stilldropin20]

looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.

I do my best to avoid quoting SD20 directly, but are you guys really going to let this comment off the hook? After spamming the board non stop for the past two weeks, claiming the FBI is corrupt, people are going to jail and this is bigger than Watergate he's admitting that the memo is all bull?

Isn't this kind of proof that he's blatantly trolling and doesn't actually believe anything he posts?

this is JTT buddy, just the tip. By dud i mean little more than i already knew. But it names names. Which is huge.

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Daily caller:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/02/fisa-memo-released-spy-warrant-trump-dossier/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

[stilldropin20]

looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.

If you're correct and it is a dud... say you're Ryan. What do you do about Nunes?

doesn't look like a dud.

circular reporting used (disguised as sourcing) by the FBI TO THE FISA COURT.

[Pointgod]

I just wanted to say, at first, I thought the Russia stuff was the least of the worries of everything Trump and no big deal. Now, I'm actually much more concerned and think it's one of the biggest issues, if not the biggest. And this has nothing to do with any particular news source and everything to do with Russian actions and the resulting waves from those actions. Anyone who doesn't think this is a problem absolutely needs to look closer at Russian history post-USSR and pay close attention to how Putin operates and what he does. He's incredibly shrewd overall and very much a believer in the ends justifying the means - and he really isn't a believer in the ends necessarily needing to be the best for anyone other than himself.

I never thought he would be this effective this quickly. I mean, it really hasn't been so long since he was first in power, even, and back then nobody recognized those Putin memes as being a part of a larger strategy, but then it was admitted that the entire Medvedev tenure was basically a ploy to see what was possible and questions really needed to be asked at that point, and they really weren't, only sighs about the same old, same old. My views on the issue shifted pretty starkly in the 5 months or so I lived there back in the early 2000s, and in hindsight, I there was lots of nuance I didn't even come close to realizing the full implications of. The spread if information resulted in the decline of dictatorships and the rise of democracies. The spread of disinformation is turning the tables. Regardless of any other particular issue, this matters perhaps more than anything, and Putin is way out in front of the game there, though I actually think China is also farther ahead in some respects and has more potential power, but is actually behind Russia on the internal game and has been taking steps recently to change that.

This is all by design. Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. Discredit the press. Putin does it, Trump does it and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say it was a tactic of Hitler's. When you paint legitimate news sources as sensationalist and fake news then people are less likely to take the whole Russia investigation seriously. This works so well that even left leaning news sites like the Intercept unknowingly do Putin's work for him when they paint Russian as a nothing burger.

[gtn130]

looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.

If you're correct and it is a dud... say you're Ryan. What do you do about Nunes?

doesn't look like a dud.

circular reporting used (disguised as sourcing) by the FBI TO THE FISA COURT.

You're a moron.

The memo states, in particularly vague language, that the dossier formed an essential part of the FISA application.

1) This quite clearly means it wasn't the only part of the application.

2) The dossier has largely NOT been disproven, and huge parts of it have been corroborated.

[stilldropin20]

Fixed

This FISA WARRANT would be hilarious if not for the fact that it was used to tear down our democracy.

I just read every word of it, and the one thing alarming about any it is despite how desperately TOP FBI OFFICIALS were trying to play things up.

libtards, you should be ashamed of yourself for falling for this garbage.

[Pointgod]

looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.

I do my best to avoid quoting SD20 directly, but are you guys really going to let this comment off the hook? After spamming the board non stop for the past two weeks, claiming the FBI is corrupt, people are going to jail and this is bigger than Watergate he's admitting that the memo is all bull?

Isn't this kind of proof that he's blatantly trolling and doesn't actually believe anything he posts?

this is JTT buddy, just the tip. By dud i mean little more than i already knew. But it names names. Which is huge.

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Daily caller:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/02/fisa-memo-released-spy-warrant-trump-dossier/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

I'm not going to entertain this stupidity.

[gtn130]

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Think about how much of a deranged idiot you have to be to think this memo tells us anything remotely scandalous.

[cammac]

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Think about how much of a deranged idiot you have to be to think this memo tells us anything remotely scandalous.

Not hard to imagine Hannity, Nunes, Trump jr., Trump Sr., Nate & SD20!!!!

[gtn130]

Also, renewing the FISA warrant, which was done three times, requires showing evidence that new important information is being collected.

SD20, just take a knee here, dude. This is a really bad look even for you.

[Pointgod]

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Republicans are **** idiots.

[closg00]

$150 million less for the Metro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/democrats-trump-budget-cuts-150-million-in-expected-metro-funds/2018/02/01/e1f9633e-0773-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.c0eea7d60530

This is devastating, but hey how about those tax cuts?

[bealwithit]

Why does this detail always get left out by these frothing at the mouth memo people?

Conservative Free Beacon originally funded firm that created Trump-Russia dossier
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-russia-washington-free-beacon-fusion-gps-244265

Representatives for the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative online news site, informed congressional investigators Friday the outlet had originally funded the research firm that created the salacious dossier containing allegations of ties between Donald Trump's campaign and Russian operatives, the publication said in a statement.

All of the controversy stems from the idea that the funding of the dossier was politically motivated and therefore Steele was too, but it was funded by members of both political affiliations. It is opposition research, but how does that make the content untrue?

Then going after the FBI... yeah, good luck with that.

Just absolute silliness by the GOP. Very sad.

[I_Like_Dirt]

This is all by design. Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. Discredit the press. Putin does it, Trump does it and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say it was a tactic of Hitler's. When you paint legitimate news sources as sensationalist and fake news then people are less likely to take the whole Russia investigation seriously. This works so well that even left leaning news sites like the Intercept unknowingly do Putin's work for him when they paint Russian as a nothing burger.

Sure, but it wasn't the press that made me worried about it. I don't listen to Trump or anything like that. I was aware he was down a rabbit hole, but had pegged the wrong one, it's starting to look like, and to be honest, I don't feel like there is much speaking to this just yet, either.

[stilldropin20]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

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[Pointgod]

This is all by design. Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. Discredit the press. Putin does it, Trump does it and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say it was a tactic of Hitler's. When you paint legitimate news sources as sensationalist and fake news then people are less likely to take the whole Russia investigation seriously. This works so well that even left leaning news sites like the Intercept unknowingly do Putin's work for him when they paint Russian as a nothing burger.

Sure, but it wasn't the press that made me worried about it. I don't listen to Trump or anything like that. I was aware he was down a rabbit hole, but had pegged the wrong one, it's starting to look like, and to be honest, I don't feel like there is much speaking to this just yet, either.

My point is that the press had it right all along. It wasn’t a nothing burger and the clues to what was going on was always there. People choose to ignore the signs because they’ve been conditioned to distrust the media. My suggestion would be trust but verify. And yes you could see Putin’s game plan by listening and reading the numerous experts that cover him.

[stilldropin20]

This is all by design. Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. Discredit the press. Putin does it, Trump does it and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say it was a tactic of Hitler's. When you paint legitimate news sources as sensationalist and fake news then people are less likely to take the whole Russia investigation seriously. This works so well that even left leaning news sites like the Intercept unknowingly do Putin's work for him when they paint Russian as a nothing burger.

Sure, but it wasn't the press that made me worried about it. I don't listen to Trump or anything like that. I was aware he was down a rabbit hole, but had pegged the wrong one, it's starting to look like, and to be honest, I don't feel like there is much speaking to this just yet, either.

exactly. and by "press" you almost strictly mean CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, WAPO. The big 6 extremely liberally biased "news sources."

CNN created this "RUSSIA" whirlwind to begin with. And they got it from direct leaks from the Obama DOJ/FBI. And ran with it for 13 straight months. Still on it. Just mostly shifted to obstruction at this point. Needless to point out the obstruction is of this fake Russia investigation, based on fake russia Dossier.

Fast forward from the FISA warrant and spying into trump campaign from June 2016 to December 2016-Jan 2018. 2 solid months into Russia fever. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA all over CNN 24-7 (because there was no way trump won fair and square). And LEGAL conversations are leaked between Flynn and Russian ambassador. Which forces Flynn to lie to Mike Pence about the conversation.

This tainted the entire Flynn-Trump regime from day one. ALL BASED on lies. deceit. Corrupt FISA warrants. Spying on a political opponent.

DONT EVER LOSE SIGHT OF THE LEAD. The lead is something I, personally, have numbed you guys to, is that THE OUTGOING DOJ/FBI SPIED ON THE INCOMING political opponent.

The memo just names names. Its no longer just sara carter and jon solomon (real journalists) from The Hill. Congress has put their name on it!!!!!!! This matters now to everyone. Everyone must look at this now. Investigations now MUST be completed on this entire Russia investigation.

[stilldropin20]

This is all by design. Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. Discredit the press. Putin does it, Trump does it and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say it was a tactic of Hitler's. When you paint legitimate news sources as sensationalist and fake news then people are less likely to take the whole Russia investigation seriously. This works so well that even left leaning news sites like the Intercept unknowingly do Putin's work for him when they paint Russian as a nothing burger.

Sure, but it wasn't the press that made me worried about it. I don't listen to Trump or anything like that. I was aware he was down a rabbit hole, but had pegged the wrong one, it's starting to look like, and to be honest, I don't feel like there is much speaking to this just yet, either.

My point is that the press had it right all along. It wasn’t a nothing burger and the clues to what was going on was always there. People choose to ignore the signs because they’ve been conditioned to distrust the media. My suggestion would be trust but verify. And yes you could see Putin’s game plan by listening and reading the numerous experts that cover him.

the nothing burger is "russian collusion" !!!!! You absolutely have to be the most deliberately dense person on the entire planet.

[Pointgod]

Sure, but it wasn't the press that made me worried about it. I don't listen to Trump or anything like that. I was aware he was down a rabbit hole, but had pegged the wrong one, it's starting to look like, and to be honest, I don't feel like there is much speaking to this just yet, either.

My point is that the press had it right all along. It wasn’t a nothing burger and the clues to what was going on was always there. People choose to ignore the signs because they’ve been conditioned to distrust the media. My suggestion would be trust but verify. And yes you could see Putin’s game plan by listening and reading the numerous experts that cover him.

[Ruzious]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

[stilldropin20]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

so if/and/when Trump DOJ/FBI does the similar things in 2024...are you going to cry like a baby then? Justice and the rule of law going to matter at that point?