Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[gravytrain24]

I think that Monroe would be a good fit here but i don't know how you're going to get rid of either of those two bigs without attaching a 1st rounder. I wonder if it would be possible to dangle some small piece to get Shumpert to be the backup 2 guard.

[Dark Faze]

Damn. Would have been a good opportunity to get a starting level center for the MLE. Good for Monroe and the Pels though.

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Monroe gets his full salary from Phoenix minus whatever the Pels pay him (i.e. veteran minimum -- no reason to ask for more). Then at season's end he is unrestricted.

How does the MLE enter into this?

future salary

[Jimmy Recard]

OMG only the wiz

[dckingsfan]

wrong thread

[payitforward]

Why would Orlando take on Meeks? To get a "distant" RE2 pick, maybe a low one? No. Meeks has demonstrated that he's cooked.

Greg Monroe was just bought out, what makes you think the magic can get more for Hezonja? He's going to be UFA for everyone, and he most likely doesn't appeal to most "win now" teams.

In the last two drafts, teams bought relatively high R2 picks for what is reported as a price of $2-3m. Those are picks they can make right then.

In the deal you propose, Orlando pays $3.5m, & what they get is (likely) a relatively low R2 pick in a "distant" draft.

Since no GM would make that deal, you have to assume that acquiring Meeks is what makes the difference. But, for a team like Orlando, that's not a believable idea.

[dangermouse]

If Tony Allen is cut I'd get him in a Wiz uniform ASAP. He changed the culture in Memphis. Could he do that here? Worth a shot, even if he doesn't play, holding guys accountable as a veteran leader and giving pointers to our youngsters is something sorely lacking on our team. Make it so.

I think that Monroe would be a good fit here but i don't know how you're going to get rid of either of those two bigs without attaching a 1st rounder. I wonder if it would be possible to dangle some small piece to get Shumpert to be the backup 2 guard.

If Cavs crap the bed and dont get a big to help, at 11.50pm on the trade deadline I'd offer:

Gortat + Meeks for Shumpert + Frye + cash.

I think we take on money this year, but that is what the cash coming back is to offset a bit. Meeks and Gortat combined next year is like $14m (both expiring that season), it then becomes Shumpert at $10m, also expiring.

[pcbothwel]

Wiz could have made a VERY similar offer to Chicago for Mirotic. Would you have done it?

Bulls send
* Mirotic
* 2018 second round pick

Wiz send
* Mahinmi (vs NOP's Asik, comparable money for comparable yrs (3) for comparable 31 yr old backup big)
* Frazier, McCullough, Mac (vs NOP's Allen and Nelson, comparable poo poo platter of expirings worth $4.5M)
* 2018 1st round pick
* Rights to swap 2021 2nd Round Picks

I'd be hard pressed to say "no". We lose a first again, but get a young (26) forward who can actually shoot the 3 (43%, 6 attempts/gm) which is a hell of a lot better than Markief, and we get out of Mahinmi's contract. Will have to put some of that towards Mirotic resigning after next year, but we probably save $7-8M off our 2019-20 cap number.

I dont think I would, but that said, Ian and Asik are NOT comparable. Ian is a better player, but is owed 31M after this year. Asik is owed 14M. Its literally half the money, so I have no reason to believe the Bulls would be interested.

Asik has a 3rd year ETO for $12M and he'd be crazy to opt out. No one's paying him more than that when he's 33.

So, The Mahinmi/Asik contracts are relatively comparable. Both 3 years, $48M vs $37M. Ian's a serviceable backup, Asik is dead weight.

Wrong, you only have half the equation. Asiks 3rd year is an ETO with only 3M Guaranteed. As in, He could exercise his ETO and leave (Which he would NEVER do), but if he doesn't opt out, then he can be waived for 3M. That is why I said 14M (11M next year and 3M in 2019/20)

[Dark Faze]

Heard Gordon was available and found myself thinking--would I trade Oubre for him straight up?

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[gravytrain24]

Heard Gordon was available and found myself thinking--would I trade Oubre for him straight up?

hm

I wouldn't but lets send Gortat, Morris and a 2019 1st.

[WallToWall]

Heard Gordon was available and found myself thinking--would I trade Oubre for him straight up?
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Is he really worth that? He'd probably be playing PF and SF, so we could potentially plug him in for Oubre. Having said that, I really havent seen him play this year...but we play Orlando next, so we get the chance to see him. I know that last year, I wouldnt have made a 1 for 1 swap. I wouldnt trade my only worthy big (Gortat) for him.

[nate33]

Heard Gordon was available and found myself thinking--would I trade Oubre for him straight up?
hm

Is he really worth that? He'd probably be playing PF and SF, so we could potentially plug him in for Oubre. Having said that, I really havent seen him play this year...but we play Orlando next, so we get the chance to see him. I know that last year, I wouldnt have made a 1 for 1 swap. I wouldnt trade my only worthy big (Gortat) for him.

Gordan is a free agent this summer. We wouldn't be able to afford his new contract.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

What do you guys think of this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y76bntrg
WAS out: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks, Oubre, 2017 1st
ORL out: Gordon, Vucevic, Ross, 2017 2nd

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Ross/Sato
Otto/Sato/Ross
Gordon/Scott
Vuc/Gortat

[payitforward]

Here's a low key trade that I could see the Wizards doing at the deadline:

Washington trades: Jason Smith + $5.1M cash
Utah trades: Ekpe Udoh

The trade saves $2.2M from the payroll this year and $2.3M from the payroll next year. Factoring luxtax penalties, that's a savings of $5.5M this year and $5.75M next year. Effectively, Ted pays out $5.1M to make the trade happen, but saves $11.25 overall. That's a net savings of $6.2M.

Meanwhile, Utah makes $600,000 in the exchange, and could probably utilize Jason Smith more so than Udoh.

Given Utah's FO can do arithmetic, they aren't giving Ted an $11m savings for $600k, so I'm sure the terms would be different.

That said, I wouldn't do it if I were Utah. Udoh is having quite a good season for them. He's a terrific defender & shot-blocker. Smith would be a big down-grade from Udoh.

It's a $6.2M savings for Ted, not $11M. And Ted can't give away more than $5.1M in cash so it's hard to sweeten the pot. Actually, once you factor the pro-rated portion of salaries already paid to Smith and Udoh, the balance shifts a bit more to Utah's direction. It's actually a savings of about $1.9M for Utah, and a savings of about $4.9M for Ted.

And I don't think Utah can expect parity in the transaction. They're getting savings for doing absolutely nothing except answering the phone. Making $1.9M is better than making nothing at all. And the difference between Udoh and Smith isn't all that relevant next year because Gobert will be back and neither will play much.

Ok, sounds good to me! Lets hope it happens. We could use Udoh's defense too.

[payitforward]

What do you guys think of this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y76bntrg
WAS out: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks, Oubre, 2017 1st
ORL out: Gordon, Vucevic, Ross, 2017 2nd

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Ross/Sato
Otto/Sato/Ross
Gordon/Scott
Vuc/Gortat

(Assume you mean either 2018 or 2019 picks...)

Oubre is a better player than Gordon right now, & he's improving which Gordon isn't.
We wouldn't be able to keep Gordon, & we wouldn't want to keep Ross.

We do ditch Mahinmi's last year, & Vucevic is better than Mahinmi. But that doesn't warrant giving up Oubre & a R1 pick.

[Dark Faze]

What do you guys think of this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y76bntrg
WAS out: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks, Oubre, 2017 1st
ORL out: Gordon, Vucevic, Ross, 2017 2nd

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Ross/Sato
Otto/Sato/Ross
Gordon/Scott
Vuc/Gortat

A bit too much going on in the trade, but I definitely have an eye on Vucevic and Gordon. Gordon is a better defender than anyone we have on the roster and fits the 4 better than Otto. As much as we hate to admit it--Otto just might never be able to play the 4 full time--and thusly we might have something of a quandry with our ideal Otto/Oubre combo of the future.

[Ruzious]

Damn. Would have been a good opportunity to get a starting level center for the MLE. Good for Monroe and the Pels though.

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Monroe gets his full salary from Phoenix minus whatever the Pels pay him (i.e. veteran minimum -- no reason to ask for more). Then at season's end he is unrestricted.

How does the MLE enter into this?

Apparently, he is able to double dip. He got the buy-out from Phoenix plus $5 mil from... Boston! That's going to allow Boston to use a bigger lineup on occasions - and allow Horford to play some 4.

[80sballboy]

So Monroe to the Celtics. Wonderful.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

What do you guys think of this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y76bntrg
WAS out: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks, Oubre, 2017 1st
ORL out: Gordon, Vucevic, Ross, 2017 2nd

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Ross/Sato
Otto/Sato/Ross
Gordon/Scott
Vuc/Gortat

(Assume you mean either 2018 or 2019 picks...)

Oubre is a better player than Gordon right now, & he's improving which Gordon isn't.
We wouldn't be able to keep Gordon, & we wouldn't want to keep Ross.

We do ditch Mahinmi's last year, & Vucevic is better than Mahinmi. But that doesn't warrant giving up Oubre & a R1 pick.

We should be able to keep Gordon. He's a RFA so that's not a problem. We are already over the tax.
Gordon and a starting center - Mahinmi's albatross contract is easily worth Oubre and a pick.

[80sballboy]

Candace Buckner basically saying that Wiz were really not in the mix for Monroe. Prefers to stand pat with Wall out.

[dlts20]

What do you guys think of this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y76bntrg
WAS out: Mahinmi, Morris, Meeks, Oubre, 2017 1st
ORL out: Gordon, Vucevic, Ross, 2017 2nd

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Ross/Sato
Otto/Sato/Ross
Gordon/Scott
Vuc/Gortat

(Assume you mean either 2018 or 2019 picks...)

Oubre is a better player than Gordon right now, & he's improving which Gordon isn't.
We wouldn't be able to keep Gordon, & we wouldn't want to keep Ross.

We do ditch Mahinmi's last year, & Vucevic is better than Mahinmi. But that doesn't warrant giving up Oubre & a R1 pick.

I think that you are severely under rating Gordon