Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[Paradise]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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[Rockice_24]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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It's not a terrible offer considering all factors. I mean both Din and RHJ are starting caliber players and under control for next year cheap plus a late 1st. Actually I think it's high. What team is offering a lottery pick or high potential young play for a guy they have to pay big bucks for next year? Not any smart GM's. Since ORL has made it clear they are shopping him a big RFA offer they might not match.

I'd offer RHJ straight up or DIN straight up with a 2nd and see if they bite. The RFA is a huge hit to Gordon's value in terms of a trade.

We might be able to just land him in RFA if we wanted without giving up anything since it appears ORL doesn't want to pay him.

[Prokorov]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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id say no too. RHJ is better then Gordon right now and its not like gordon is much younger. also easier to find guys like gordon then guys like rhj

[Prokorov]

Random question: Would you guys accept Klay Thompson/Iggy in a straightaway dump.......if it means clearing cap for LeBron to sign with Golden State?

Yes. I'd even give him the supermax if I could if I'm Marks.

hell yes. id even including our best assets. Klay is a complete stud. i think you see harden like jump in numbers as the #1 guy

[MrDollarBills]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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I think we're giving up too much in that deal to begin with. I'll pass.

wake me up when we're talking about trading for Klay Thompson, an actual A tier player, instead of C tier dudes like Gordon who would throw our cap situation into Billy King territory.

[MrDollarBills]

Random question: Would you guys accept Klay Thompson/Iggy in a straightaway dump.......if it means clearing cap for LeBron to sign with Golden State?

Yes. I'd even give him the supermax if I could if I'm Marks.

hell yes. id even including our best assets. Klay is a complete stud. i think you see harden like jump in numbers as the #1 guy

This. But I would retain Russell/Allen. can't bring Klay in here and have the cupboard bare, he'll want to leave.

[MrDollarBills]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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id say no too. RHJ is better then Gordon right now and its not like gordon is much younger. also easier to find guys like gordon then guys like rhj

I'll keep the two way player who can defend all 5 positions on the court when called upon whose numbers next year will probably match or be better than Gordon's 18 and 8 that he's putting up this year anyway. Once RHJ consistently knocks down open threes he will approach 20ppg territory. I'm not trading him for anything short of guys like Klay.

Ask yourselves why the Magic aren't keen on paying Gordon.

[Prokorov]

I dont really get the Gordon love... i mean he is a good young player but i think he is living off a hot first month he has never been able to come close to matching. i mean:

18/8/2 on 34% from deep, 17 PER, 53 TS%

thats good but not sell off all your assets good.

[Prokorov]

Yes. I'd even give him the supermax if I could if I'm Marks.

hell yes. id even including our best assets. Klay is a complete stud. i think you see harden like jump in numbers as the #1 guy

This. But I would retain Russell/Allen. can't bring Klay in here and have the cupboard bare, he'll want to leave.

for me no one would be off the table. i mean im not trading like all 5 or 6 young guys but for me klay is worth any 2 or 3 guys on this team.

the guy is a 22/4/3 player on 45% from three on SUPER HIGH volume, off balance shots, from super deep and is one of the better defenders you'll find as well and he has size to gaurd bigger players. and he isnt just a shooter, he can score in a variety of ways.

He is basically what youhope russell can one day be

[Paradise]

Scotto is reporting Miami has interest in Carroll.


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[SpeedyG]

I think VC brought up Gordon before, and I was lukewarm then but especially more if it's Din Rondae and a 1st. Not going to trade all that to pay a guy with an admittedly high ceiling but is unproven.

Have to say though, why are our fans thumbing their nose down at Gordon? Hes younger than Rondae, more fit at pF for us, more athletic, and has already shown a better range?

What does Rondae do better? Defend? You can have Gordon develop that, especially since he has physical tools to be a good defensive player.

We constantly hype our own prospects due to what this team can help them, but what about what they can do for a prospect like Aaron Gordon?

If he wasn't due a big contract right away, I'd give up that Toronto pick for him.

He's only 22 years old...younger than Din, Rondae, and Caris. same age as Okafor.

To sit and pretend like this guy is done improving, especially under our staff, is just talking crazy.

[Prokorov]

I think VC brought up Gordon before, and I was lukewarm then but especially more if it's Din Rondae and a 1st. Not going to trade all that to pay a guy with an admittedly high ceiling but is unproven.

Have to say though, why are our fans thumbing their nose down at Gordon? Hes younger than Rondae, more fit at pF for us, more athletic, and has already shown a better range?

What does Rondae do better? Defend? You can have Gordon develop that, especially since he has physical tools to be a good defensive player.

We constantly hype our own prospects due to what this team can help them, but what about what they can do for a prospect like Aaron Gordon?

If he wasn't due a big contract right away, I'd give up that Toronto pick for him.

He's only 22 years old...younger than Din, Rondae, and Caris. same age as Okafor.

To sit and pretend like this guy is done improving, especially under our staff, is just talking crazy.

I think its easier to develop a three then to turn yourself into an elite defender. as far as "what does rondae do better"

Score.

Gordon takes 4 more shots to score 4 more points per game.
RHJ has a higher PER
RHJ has a higher TS%
RHJ has a higher eFG%
RHJ has a higher FG%

let me phrase it like this.... OFFENSIVELY only... what does gordon do better other then shoot threes?

i believe the anwser to that is: Nothing

[TheNetsFan]

I dont really get the Gordon love... i mean he is a good young player but i think he is living off a hot first month he has never been able to come close to matching. i mean:

18/8/2 on 34% from deep, 17 PER, 53 TS%

thats good but not sell off all your assets good.

Agreed. Stein claims the Clippers have everyone available for assets & picks. I'd rather go after Harris, who should be cheaper in terms of trade equity & salary.

[vincecarter4pres]

I wouldn't add any value to RHJ for Gordon, not one iota. And Idk if I would do a RHJ for Gordon deal straight up myself, it was just something I wanted to bring up to hear opinion from others. It's close for me though. One of my main things is health, as has been demonstrated again this season, I do not trust Jefferson's health. I'm not talking about silly predictions on major injuries, those are almost always just freak happenings. But nagging ones where almost every season of his career he's missing 8 to 30 games feel like they're going to be the norm with him.

I don't think Gordon moves the needle enough for me to deal RHJ for him though, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if it happened.

[MGrand15]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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id say no too. RHJ is better then Gordon right now and its not like gordon is much younger. also easier to find guys like gordon then guys like rhj

I'll keep the two way player who can defend all 5 positions on the court when called upon whose numbers next year will probably match or be better than Gordon's 18 and 8 that he's putting up this year anyway. Once RHJ consistently knocks down open threes he will approach 20ppg territory. I'm not trading him for anything short of guys like Klay.

Ask yourselves why the Magic aren't keen on paying Gordon.

Please remember that the Magic traded Oladipo (all star this year), a decent rotation guy (Ilyasova), and a lottery pick (Sabonis) for Serge Ibaka. Then less than a year later, traded Ibaka for Terrence Ross (trash) and the 25th pick (the immortal Anzejs Pasecniks).

They're not great judges of value and don't put their guys in a position to succeed. I like RHJ a lot but I can't imagine what he would've turned into if he was drafted into that mess.

I'd hesitate on this deal only cause Gordon would be looking for a near max contract this summer. And I 100% would not be giving up RHJ, Toronto's pick + Dinwiddie. Hell no. But RHJ for AG straight up? Gordon's ceiling is too high to turn that down.

[MGrand15]

I think VC brought up Gordon before, and I was lukewarm then but especially more if it's Din Rondae and a 1st. Not going to trade all that to pay a guy with an admittedly high ceiling but is unproven.

Have to say though, why are our fans thumbing their nose down at Gordon? Hes younger than Rondae, more fit at pF for us, more athletic, and has already shown a better range?

What does Rondae do better? Defend? You can have Gordon develop that, especially since he has physical tools to be a good defensive player.

We constantly hype our own prospects due to what this team can help them, but what about what they can do for a prospect like Aaron Gordon?

If he wasn't due a big contract right away, I'd give up that Toronto pick for him.

He's only 22 years old...younger than Din, Rondae, and Caris. same age as Okafor.

To sit and pretend like this guy is done improving, especially under our staff, is just talking crazy.

I think its easier to develop a three then to turn yourself into an elite defender. as far as "what does rondae do better"

Score.

Gordon takes 4 more shots to score 4 more points per game.
RHJ has a higher PER
RHJ has a higher TS%
RHJ has a higher eFG%
RHJ has a higher FG%

let me phrase it like this.... OFFENSIVELY only... what does gordon do better other then shoot threes?

i believe the anwser to that is: Nothing

????

Gordon is shooting 72% at the rim. A career 68% at the rim while historically playing with awful spacing and in awful systems. That's a lot better than RHJ.

Combine that with the fact that he's not just shooting 3s better. He's taking 5 more 3s a game than RHJ. Almost 20% of them are unassisted / off the dribble. Less than 20% of them are corner 3s.

This is RHJ's first year with a higher TS%. It's higher by a whopping .3% while taking 4 less shots a game.

The Magic have yanked him around positions and roles so much. I'm not saying you give up the farm for Gordon but that stuff does need to be taken into account. RHJ has been in the perfect position the last 1.5 years. Gordon's been in the 2nd worse next to the Kings. So let's relax.

[Keith Van Horn]

The most I’d offer is Dinwiddie, RHJ, TOR 1st for Gordon/Hezjona. Magic likely say no.


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Edit - actually I'd probably start with a current player instead of that TOR pick. Marks has proven to find talent in those picks. Rondae and Stauskus instead... and keep Harris and sign him this summer. I'd be hoping though Marks has done his homework on Gordon with Kenny, thinking about how they'd see a jump in using him to improve the offense.

[Keith Van Horn]

I dont really get the Gordon love... i mean he is a good young player but i think he is living off a hot first month he has never been able to come close to matching. i mean:

18/8/2 on 34% from deep, 17 PER, 53 TS%

thats good but not sell off all your assets good.

That's under Vogel and on the Magic though. I think you'd see an improvement under kenny and company. You could have 2 20 ppg guys in DLo and Gordon and I'm sure Gordon in this offense would see an uptick in his 3fg% too. Maybe not huge but possibly hover around 38-39%. I think Gordon's confidence would surge too with the change of scenery. IDK, could be too much optimism on my part, but I think a DLo/Gordon duo would be super dynamic. Then factor in Allen, Levert, Dinwiddie all another year older... and still keeping our 2019 pick... I'd give that team a shot.

[Keith Van Horn]

Scotto is reporting Miami has interest in Carroll.


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well, IDK if I'd want TYler Johnson here anymore. But definitely need to start with an unprotected draft pick. Not sure who else they have I'd want to incorporate on this team.

[Claud]

RHJ plus TOR pick for Gordon is very tempting. Tough call.