Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[Christine-In-AZ]

NBA career assessment 2030-

Josh Jackson>Aaron Gordon

I will bet you Jackson’s ceiling is equivalent to the year Gordon is having this year

You ready to sign him up for 22-25 million per, times 4 years?

Is he a #2 on a true contender?

I say "no" to both questions

[Wilber85]

NBA career assessment 2030-

Josh Jackson>Aaron Gordon

I will bet you Jackson’s ceiling is equivalent to the year Gordon is having this year

You ready to sign him up for 22-25 million per times 4 years?

Is he a #2 on a true contender?

I say "no" to both questions

No
I would have him as a #3 on my team ...

Booker #1 and the 2018 draft pick #2 I’m hoping Trae Young or a scorer ...

I would give Gordon $20 mill

[Christine-In-AZ]

I will bet you Jackson’s ceiling is equivalent to the year Gordon is having this year

You ready to sign him up for 22-25 million per times 4 years?

Is he a #2 on a true contender?

I say "no" to both questions

No
I would have him as a #3 on my team ...

Booker #1 and the 2018 draft pick #2 I’m hoping Trae Young or a scorer ...

I would give Gordon $20 mill

Fine.

BTW. This Trae Young hype is ridiculous. He's going to be a decent, good shooting, PG. Might make an all-star game or 2 in his career. But for you he's already a #2. Ookay

[bwgood77]

You ready to sign him up for 22-25 million per times 4 years?

Is he a #2 on a true contender?

I say "no" to both questions

No
I would have him as a #3 on my team ...

Booker #1 and the 2018 draft pick #2 I’m hoping Trae Young or a scorer ...

I would give Gordon $20 mill

Fine.

BTW. This Trae Young hype is ridiculous. He's going to be a decent, good shooting, PG. Might make an all-star game or 2 in his career. But for you he's already a #2. Ookay

Which guys in the draft do you think have the best chance to be stars, or close to stars?

[bwgood77]

OKC could use another 3 pt shooter...I've noticed this their last two games. I don't know much about Terrance Ferguson but he is a young prospect who they start with Roberson out but he isn't giving them much. I don't think they'd do it but they might if they really want to go all in this season and worry about the future...would you trade Daniels for Ferguson?

[Christine-In-AZ]

No
I would have him as a #3 on my team ...

Booker #1 and the 2018 draft pick #2 I’m hoping Trae Young or a scorer ...

I would give Gordon $20 mill

Fine.

BTW. This Trae Young hype is ridiculous. He's going to be a decent, good shooting, PG. Might make an all-star game or 2 in his career. But for you he's already a #2. Ookay

Which guys in the draft do you think have the best chance to be stars, or close to stars?

absolutely no clue whatsoever

...and anyone who claims they know, is lying

[Christine-In-AZ]

Fine.

BTW. This Trae Young hype is ridiculous. He's going to be a decent, good shooting, PG. Might make an all-star game or 2 in his career. But for you he's already a #2. Ookay

Which guys in the draft do you think have the best chance to be stars, or close to stars?

absolutely no clue whatsoever

...and anyone who claims they know, is lying

EDIT: You can't forecast 18-19 year olds careers with ANY real certainty

Another Edit: What are the odds Trae Young turns out to be an all-star? 1 in 4? I'd put it at closer to 1 in 10.

[bwgood77]

Which guys in the draft do you think have the best chance to be stars, or close to stars?

absolutely no clue whatsoever

...and anyone who claims they know, is lying

EDIT: You can't forecast 18-19 year olds careers with ANY real certainty

Another Edit: What are the odds Trae Young turns out to be an all-star? 1 in 4? I'd put it at closer to 1 in 10.

It may depend on which conference he lands in. I think Doncic probably has the best odds, and after that I don't know. People will always think the top 5-8 guys in each draft will be all stars but typically maybe 1 or 2 are and then there is one other guy in the draft that is. Because most all stars continue to be all stars leaving fewer spots open for new ones until they get older. It's tough to crack.

If people like Jokic and Gobert are not making it right now, most of the centers will take a LONG time to make it, because both of those guys, if healthy will probably be all stars, especially Jokic...heck as a center he had 29, 14 and 13 last night....14 assists. He is very likely the best passing center ever and some of his assists are crazy good.

[Wilber85]

This guy has hatred for Trae Young .... if he can shoot from those distances with a quick release as well as create shots for his teammates ! He will be a stud !

[Wilber85]

Come draft day... let’s make a bet

[Christine-In-AZ]

absolutely no clue whatsoever

...and anyone who claims they know, is lying

EDIT: You can't forecast 18-19 year olds careers with ANY real certainty

Another Edit: What are the odds Trae Young turns out to be an all-star? 1 in 4? I'd put it at closer to 1 in 10.

It may depend on which conference he lands in. I think Doncic probably has the best odds, and after that I don't know. People will always think the top 5-8 guys in each draft will be all stars but typically maybe 1 or 2 are and then there is one other guy in the draft that is. Because most all stars continue to be all stars leaving fewer spots open for new ones until they get older. It's tough to crack.

If people like Jokic and Gobert are not making it right now, most of the centers will take a LONG time to make it, because both of those guys, if healthy will probably be all stars, especially Jokic...heck as a center he had 29, 14 and 13 last night....14 assists. He is very likely the best passing center ever and some of his assists are crazy good.

If I'm GM for the Suns and have to pick a player this second, it's Marvin Bagley, no (well little?) hesitation.

Makes no sense position/needwise, but he's from my city of close to 50 years (Tempe) and to me he's just as likely to be the stud as any of them (Dončić, Ayton, Porter, Bamba, more) ...scouts don't know s**t...figure out the roster later. Win or lose with the hometown prospect.

[Christine-In-AZ]

This guy has hatred for Trae Young .... if he can shoot from those distances with a quick release as well as create shots for his teammates ! He will be a stud !

Hatred?

I just think he might be getting hyped a bit. Stated he might even make an all star team or two.

Define Hatred?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Listened to the RealGM podcast with Jonathan Givony and he's of the opinion NBA teams overrate draft picks and it's about luck as much as anything. I tend to agree especially with the experience of following the draft closely in the McDonough era.

[bwgood77]

Listened to the RealGM podcast with Jonathan Givony and he's of the opinion NBA teams overrate draft picks and it's about luck as much as anything. I tend to agree especially with the experience of following the draft closely in the McDonough era.

Yes, luck is a big part. I haven't finished yet but from what I have heard so far it was interesting once he got to analyzing the guys in the draft...draft talk starts at the 26 minute mark for those interested in listening... https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248790/RealGM-Radio-Jonathan-Givony

[carey]

NBA career assessment 2030-

Josh Jackson>Aaron Gordon

I will bet you Jackson’s ceiling is equivalent to the year Gordon is having this year

I wanted to say you're underselling JJ, but Gordon is averaging 18 & 6 on 45/35 so... maybe? What has impressed me about Jackson is how quick he is. He's like an SF version of Ish Smith. If he could figure out how to change speeds and use that elite first step he could be a 20ppg scorer. I look forward to finding out.

[Revived]

This guy has hatred for Trae Young .... if he can shoot from those distances with a quick release as well as create shots for his teammates ! He will be a stud !

Hatred?

I just think he might be getting hyped a bit. Stated he might even make an all star team or two.

Define Hatred?

He's such a wild card. I don't think he'll be an in between player, he's either gonna be star player like Curry 2.0 or he will be a complete bust like Jimmer 2.0.

[Revived]

I'm a little surprised at the poll results, unless it's just an AZ thing or an injury thing....because Parker last year was better than Gordon this year across the board...slightly fewer rebounds but better everywhere else and the much higher rated prospect. I guess Gordon is a tad better defensively.

http://bkref.com/tiny/sjppJ

Not that I'm sure I want either...certainly not enough to trade assets for if we can just give them a RFA offer.

Gordon is more than just a tad better defensively than Parker. Jabari is one of the worst defenders in the league at his position and Gordon at the worst can hold his own.

I'd only take Parker if it was for cheap.

[NavLDO]

I think this max contract for Gordon talk is crazy. Other than maybe Brooklyn trying to pry away a player by considerably overpaying again like they did the last few off-seasons no team is gonna offer him a max. GMs have learnt from their and everyone else's mistakes during the pre cap increase off-season.
Look at all these crazy dead weight deals out there hamstringing teams now.
No way Gordon is a max player in 2018.

But those are the exact deals Agents point to in negotiations. "If X player is making $XM per, surely my client is worth more than that two years later with a higher Salary Cap."

Insert names/numbers (avg season) like:

Porter Jr. / $26.5M
Barnes / $23.5M
Parsons / $23.5M
Deng / $18M
Bazemore / $17.5M

So, when these guys are making this much, that's easy pickens for his agent. Then, he can liken his play to the most recent Max Forward, Blake Griffin? Sure, Griffin is better. But he's also nearly 29. It's easy for an Agent to say...

"...but when Griffen was Gordon's age, their numbers were nearly identical, except Gordon already has a 3 Pt shot. 18/8, with Blake having a slight edge in Assts at 3.7 to 2.2. But FT%, PF, and TOV all favor Gordon, so that's a wash. You might just have the next Blake Griffin on your hands!!"

Now, I'm not saying I believe this...I'm just saying that agents are trained for these scenarios. Their masters at distancing their clients from comparisons to other players when it's not favorable, but when it is, oh yeah, they are all over it, I bet. It's like selling/buying homes and using 'comps'. His agent will be able to explain why Gordon is none of those 'one-hit wonders' that got them the contracts they have, but how his client is more worthy then they were to even get those contracts.

I'm not saying his agent will be successful, just that he has loads of ammunition as to why Gordon is worth the Max...or close to it.

[Steve Nashidis]

If there was a movie with a title "The suspicious GM", Mc Donough will earn an Oscar.

He acts like he wants to fix Boston Celtics, his former team, rather than Phoenix Suns.

I cant stand that Monroe has no trade value , in this market, when there is plenty of teams that they are looking for a C, with so many injuries. It is like we buyout the value of Bledsoe. There is no make sense.

Here is the list of the "gifts" to Boston, 2 of them i think is from McDonough

-1st round unprotected 2018 pick from Lakers, with the bad trade of Brandon Knight ( not directly to Boston, via 76ers)
-Isiah Thomas. An all star player, who brings Kyrie in Boston. hmmmm
-Monroe free contract.

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As for coach , we need one who can train young players into contenders, to inspire them. Not any more lost seasons, with bad moves in this team.

(sorry for my english)

[patman52]

Don't know it this is the appropriate place for this, But there are some bigs that may interest the celts in the mid 1st rd. Would Marcus Smart be enough incentive to move to the Heat's spot at 22 from the celts #! say 28