Safe to say Andre Roberson is the best defender in the League?

Trippinskarlo · Post #41 » by **Trippinskarlo** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:22 pm

tribulations wrote:Does Tony Allen have anything left in the tank? OKC need another defensive orientated wing.

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

Should trade for smart, would be a good fit and I'm feeling Terry for us going forward.

Pillendreher · Post #42 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:26 pm

KyrieEarthing wrote:
Brt19 wrote:
KyrieEarthing wrote:Roberson is good not great. But the thunder bench is terrible not bad.

They can't win many games without him

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

He is great
Nah. He is such a terrible offensive player that it negates a lot of his defense

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

Gil · Post #43 » by **Gil** » Sun Feb 4, 2018 9:46 pm

Kind of laughable how bad they are without him. They need to become an elite offensive team to win games now.

Gil · Post #44 » by **Gil** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 5:30 am

OKC are the 28th ranked D since he went down. Wow...........

anthony00 · Post #45 » by **anthony00** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 5:31 am

and now people notice him of course

Luigi · Post #46 » by **Luigi** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 6:35 am

This is pretty big.

Anything other variables on this?

Shock Defeat · Post #47 » by **Shock Defeat** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 6:42 am

Luigi wrote:This is pretty big.

Anything other variables on this?

Melo and Westbrook being horrible defenders

Luigi · Post #48 » by **Luigi** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:50 am

Shock Defeat wrote:
Luigi wrote:This is pretty big.

Anything other variables on this?

Melo and Westbrook being horrible defenders

No, I mean variables that changed close to the same time as Roberson going down.

robbie84 · Post #49 » by **robbie84** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:52 am

kawahi and Marcus Smart.

clyde21 · Post #50 » by **clyde21** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:55 am

robbie84 wrote:kawahi and Marcus Smart.

Smart is not a better defender than Roberson.

But I think you just wanted to plug a Celtic into the conversation so carry on. :wink:

robbie84 · Post #51 » by **robbie84** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 8:00 am

clyde21 wrote:
robbie84 wrote:kawahi and Marcus Smart.

Smart is not a better defender than Roberson.

But I think you just wanted to plug a Celtic into the conversation so carry on.

I seriously believe Marcus Smart is the best guard defender in the NBA.
He's better than Avery Bradley, and he was better than Avery Bradley when they were both on the Celtics....(who was all nba defensive team). Most Celtics fans will attest to this.

Roberson is amazing, he's right there at the top, but Smart is incredible. Unfortunately in his first few years he got more attention for a few ridiculous flops rather than his defensive ability. But he's really tamed the flopping after the NBA came out and told everyone to GTFO with flopping.
I can see why people would think Roberson is better than Smart. No problem with that. Personally I think Smart is the best defender in the NBA other than Kawahi.

UcanUwill · Post #52 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 9:08 am

Gil wrote:OKC are the 28th ranked D since he went down. Wow...........

If thats correct, no way is George a DPOY as as some think.

Alatan · Post #53 » by **Alatan** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 10:37 am

UcanUwill wrote:
Gil wrote:OKC are the 28th ranked D since he went down. Wow...........

If thats correct, no way is George a DPOY as as some think.

If PG wasnt playing and Robertson was we would see the same thing. You cant cover for Mello and Westbrook with just Adams and one wing. You need 3 good defenders to have a good defense.

Pillendreher · Post #54 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 10:41 am

UcanUwill wrote:
Gil wrote:OKC are the 28th ranked D since he went down. Wow...........

If thats correct, no way is George a DPOY as as some think.

Scheme, Roster, Coaching. This should not be possible.

Post #55 » by **zimpy27** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 10:52 am

Well it could mean the guy that replaced Roberson is horrible defensively.

Golden Knight · Post #56 » by **Golden Knight** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 10:55 am

Alatan wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Gil wrote:OKC are the 28th ranked D since he went down. Wow...........

If thats correct, no way is George a DPOY as as some think.

If PG wasnt playing and Robertson was we would see the same thing. You cant cover for Mello and Westbrook with just Adams and one wing. You need 3 good defenders to have a good defense.

Yeah i'm with this. We only have the side where Roberson is playing and then got injured. We don't have that scenario with PG.

Pillendreher · Post #57 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 10:57 am

Alatan wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Gil wrote:OKC are the 28th ranked D since he went down. Wow...........

If thats correct, no way is George a DPOY as as some think.

If PG wasnt playing and Robertson was we would see the same thing. You cant cover for Mello and Westbrook with just Adams and one wing. You need 3 good defenders to have a good defense.

Westbrook, Anthony, Adams + George:

Westbrook, Anthony, Adams + Roberson:

The main thing is the defensive scheme: Roberson has been the Thunder's cleanup crew for years. While Russ tried to poke the ball away and jogged after a play, Roberson covered both his and Russ' man in the same play. He rotated constantly and was always doing something that disrupted the opponent's offense. Paul George is basically the cherry on top with Roberson and Adams anchoring the defense, roaming, disrupting plays, getting deflections, etc.

Now that Roberson is out, our whole scheme doesn't work anymore because Josh 'I belong in the G-League' Huestis is the only guy who comes close to him defensively and Westbrook and Anthony still don't defend. Donovan tho has not adjusted the defense and that's why they can't defend. They still switch everything without there being a need to, they still don't rotate properly, they still don't keep guys in front of them.
Per stats.nba.com, Melo guarded Harden for 13 possessions last night. He got 4 2pt FGM and 3 assists for 3 3s out of that. That's 1.31 PPP on those plays. What the **** is that? Why are you doing that? Are you trying to lose the game? Why are you putting your worst defender on an island against the best isolation scorer in the league? That's just asking to lose.

Pantsman · Post #58 » by **Pantsman** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 11:04 am

I’d give draymond the edge over him with his ability to protect the rim.

tundraknight · Post #59 » by **tundraknight** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 am

Robersons impact is incredible.

With him, the Thunder are a legit title contender.

Without him, the Thunder are struggling to even make the playoffs.

BloodNinja · Post #60 » by **BloodNinja** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 am

tundraknight wrote:Robersons impact is incredible.

With him, the Thunder are a legit title contender.

Without him, the Thunder are struggling to even make the playoffs.

they've never shown to be a legit contender with him