Around the NBA, Season 2017-2018

stitches · Post #301 » by **stitches** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:46 pm

Seems like Wall posted and deleted this:

There seems to be some drama in WAS with Wall and Gortat. It might be worth exploring whether they would do 1st + Gortat for Favors.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #302 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:49 pm

stitches wrote:There seems to be some drama in WAS with Wall and Gortat. It might be worth exploring whether they would do 1st + Gortat for Favors.

Are you sure about that? That's $13.5M next season for a draft pick in the 20's. Maybe if we got Oubre too.

KqWIN · Post #303 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:50 pm

Let’s say the Wizards get rid of Gortat. What about the other 13 guys that hate Wall?

stitches · Post #304 » by **stitches** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:54 pm

KqWIN wrote:Let’s say the Wizards get rid of Gortat. What about the other 13 guys that hate Wall?

His supermax hasn't even kicked in, right? WOW! Just checked the numbers! HOLY COW! 47M in 2023!!!! Is this contract more untradable than the Blake contract?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #305 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 10:08 pm

KqWIN wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Favors standing at the three point line takes away the best part of his game. He also lacks all perimeter skills, not just shooting. I’ve grown tired of the Jazz trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Just get someone who actually plays the position and role well instead.

No it doesn't, just makes him more versatile, like Cousins, Davis and KAT. I'm not sure that he'll get to that point (he hasn't yet, but he did develop a mid-range game over the course of a year or so), but if he did, he would be a much more valuable player. I'm not proposing that the Jazz keep him, but if they did and if he developed a reliable shot (over 30%) it might work out. As it is, he is a decent center with good rim protection, but doesn't have the size to be one of the better centers.

First off, Favors shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys in terms of skill level. Forget about the shooting, he also has no other perimeter skills. If Favors can be like them, then every big can be like them.

Having him spot up brings him away from the rim by definition. Sure, he can still find some opportunities around the basket, but being a rim runner should always be the focus of his game. He is bad at everything else offensively.

Adding skill is never bad, but if you really need some shooting at the 4, just get someone that can shoot. I don’t understand the logic into putting new players in a role that highlights their weaknesses and diminishes their strengths.

I’m tired of it. I don’t want to develop Favors into a 3 point shooter, and I don’t want to develop Rubio into George Hill. We should get guys that compliment Mitchell and Gobert...not ones that do the opposite and then try to develop the bad parts of their games.

Favors regularly handles these guys on the defensive end. He is certainly not as talented on the offensive end, though.

When Rubio plays well (good shooting percentages, not turning the ball over an inordinate amount, coupled with his regular hustle and defense), the Jazz look like a top 10 team in the NBA. Thus, the problem is mainly Rubio, not Favors. With Favors, at least you get mismatches and a really good backup center. He would have to be signed at a bargain, though, for the Jazz to consider bringing him back, which is admittedly unlikely.

KqWIN · Post #306 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 10:14 pm

Yes, when players do things well they they are typically bad at the team looks better. Now what happens when we get players that are typically good at the things we need to good at? And if they compliment the franchise players?

One can dream.

Cappy_Smurf · Post #307 » by **Cappy_Smurf** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 10:37 pm

KqWIN wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:If Favors could develop a reliable 3 pt shot (yes, a big IF), keeping him would be so worthwhile as long as he wasn't too expensive.

Favors standing at the three point line takes away the best part of his game. He also lacks all perimeter skills, not just shooting. I’ve grown tired of the Jazz trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Just get someone who actually plays the position and role well instead.

It's a real shame we didn't trade Favors and make Trey Lyles the starting PF. At least we could have tried.

Oh wait, we did try when Favors was hurt most of the year. Trey sucked ass.

Favors is a good player and better ones don't exactly grow on trees. DL should go to the professional armchair GM school for geniuses. Then we'd probably have an all-star at every position. :clap:

KqWIN · Post #308 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 10:40 pm

Cappy_Smurf wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:If Favors could develop a reliable 3 pt shot (yes, a big IF), keeping him would be so worthwhile as long as he wasn't too expensive.

Favors standing at the three point line takes away the best part of his game. He also lacks all perimeter skills, not just shooting. I’ve grown tired of the Jazz trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Just get someone who actually plays the position and role well instead.

It's a real shame we didn't trade Favors and make Trey Lyles the starting PF. At least we could have tried.

Oh wait, we did try when Favors was hurt most of the year. Trey sucked ass.

Favors is a good player and better ones don't exactly grow on trees. DL should go to the professional armchair GM school for geniuses. Then we'd probably have an all-star at every position.

I honestly don’t even know what you’re trying to say with this one.

Post #309 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 12:34 am

stitches wrote:Seems like Wall posted and deleted this:

Spoiler:

There seems to be some drama in WAS with Wall and Gortat. It might be worth exploring whether they would do 1st + Gortat for Favors.

I don't get the shade throwing in this tweet. Anyone care to explain?

Post #310 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 12:50 am

stitches wrote:
Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

This season has been brutal. So many injuries.

True. But at least the Bucks have decent depth at the position. They still have Bledsoe and Delly.

KqWIN · Post #311 » by **KqWIN** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 1:02 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:Seems like Wall posted and deleted this:

Spoiler:

There seems to be some drama in WAS with Wall and Gortat. It might be worth exploring whether they would do 1st + Gortat for Favors.

I don't get the shade throwing in this tweet. Anyone care to explain?

It's a great "team" win because John Wall is out of the lineup. There's talk that Wall's teammates dislike him and think he's selfish.

Post #312 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:26 pm

Hill managed to finish a game with 0-1FG and 0 points in 22 minutes last night. Ouch.

Kanter is on a tear lately, this time with 17+18.

stitches · Post #313 » by **stitches** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:30 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Hill managed to finish a game with 0-1FG and 0 points in 22 minutes last night. Ouch.

Kanter is on a tear lately, this time with 17+18.

Bucks put him in the PnR in the last possession to match him vs Giannis and Giannis scored the game winner on a drive to the basket vs Kanter.

Post #314 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:57 pm

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Hill managed to finish a game with 0-1FG and 0 points in 22 minutes last night. Ouch.

Kanter is on a tear lately, this time with 17+18.

Bucks put him in the PnR in the last possession to match him vs Giannis and Giannis scored the game winner on a drive to the basket vs Kanter.

Saw it, but that wasn't really his fault. Are we really expecting him to guard the Freak? He stayed with his man and wasn't blown by off the dribble. He managed to stay between his man and the basket. What more could he have done?

stitches · Post #315 » by **stitches** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:09 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Hill managed to finish a game with 0-1FG and 0 points in 22 minutes last night. Ouch.

Kanter is on a tear lately, this time with 17+18.

Bucks put him in the PnR in the last possession to match him vs Giannis and Giannis scored the game winner on a drive to the basket vs Kanter.

Saw it, but that wasn't really his fault. Are we really expecting him to guard the Freak? He stayed with his man and wasn't blown by off the dribble. He managed to stay between his man and the basket. What more could he have done?

Nah, it's his coach's fault for leaving him in the game.

Post #316 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:13 pm

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:Bucks put him in the PnR in the last possession to match him vs Giannis and Giannis scored the game winner on a drive to the basket vs Kanter.

Saw it, but that wasn't really his fault. Are we really expecting him to guard the Freak? He stayed with his man and wasn't blown by off the dribble. He managed to stay between his man and the basket. What more could he have done?

Nah, it's his coach's fault for leaving him in the game.

Yep, kinda is. Especially when he usually sits Kanter down in situations like these. Hanson and the Freak were playing the 4 and 5 for the Bucks, so the Freak would have had a mismatch on either Kanter or the Unicorn. And it was reasonable to assume that he'd get a pick from the other big (Hanson) so a switch would be likely to occur.

MTJazzv3 · Post #317 » by **MTJazzv3** » Sun Feb 4, 2018 9:52 pm

Rumor of Blazers and Clips talking DJ. Dame + McCollum + DJ + Nurckic = scary Blazers. This could make a ton of sense for Blazers but not sure who they'd have to give up to make salaries work. I'm sure they'd like to dump Turner's contract but that is one of the league's crappier ones for the receiver.

AingesBurner · Post #318 » by **AingesBurner** » Sun Feb 4, 2018 10:07 pm

MTJazzv3 wrote:Rumor of Blazers and Clips talking DJ. Dame + McCollum + DJ + Nurckic = scary Blazers. This could make a ton of sense for Blazers but not sure who they'd have to give up to make salaries work. I'm sure they'd like to dump Turner's contract but that is one of the league's crappier ones for the receiver.

DJ, Lou, and DET 1st for Nurk and McCollum.

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Cappy_Smurf · Post #319 » by **Cappy_Smurf** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 11:33 am

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Let’s say the Wizards get rid of Gortat. What about the other 13 guys that hate Wall?

His supermax hasn't even kicked in, right? WOW! Just checked the numbers! HOLY COW! 47M in 2023!!!! Is this contract more untradable than the Blake contract?

And not long ago some Jazz fans were talking of trading Rudy for that contract.

:crazy:

Daddy 801 · Post #320 » by **Daddy 801** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 2:01 pm

Cappy_Smurf wrote:
stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Let’s say the Wizards get rid of Gortat. What about the other 13 guys that hate Wall?

His supermax hasn't even kicked in, right? WOW! Just checked the numbers! HOLY COW! 47M in 2023!!!! Is this contract more untradable than the Blake contract?

And not long ago some Jazz fans were talking of trading Rudy for that contract.

A Wall, DM, Exum back court would be insane to watch.

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