The $270 million dollar question

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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#41 » by MelosSoreWrist » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:26 pm

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Dr Aki wrote:OKC are going to do 3 things:
1. ask melo to opt out for a smaller per year contract - melo probably says no
2. ask george to opt in to his player option - george says no
3. be forced to trade away melo, roberson or abrines/singler, giving up longer term draft picks to do so

option 3 seems most likely to me, and that should signal to george that OKC aren't interested in keeping the gang together or improving the roster for a tilt at the title

george leaving means OKC gets to try to make it work between westbrook and melo

worst case scenario, OKC makes the WCFs, then gets crushed by GSW, Bennett and co. face their biggest nightmare, fans want to contend and there's public pressure being forced to bleed through the nose for a 2nd tier contender that's only getting older and less athletic, with no real assets to move the needle


Melo is currently 33, the smartest thing he can do is prearrange with OKC(if George is staying) to opt out and resign for around 50-60 mil for 3 years. If he doesn't opt out he'll make 28 million at age 34 and then who's going to give him big money at age 35 and/or 36?

The other option is to buy him out next year at around 20-22 million(saving 6-8 million in salaries which would be huge with that tax bill they'll have) and let him sign for decent money somewhere else.

Thats quite an either, or. Pay 60 mil for Melo the next 3 years or pay 22 mil to not play with you at alll.
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greenhughes wrote:I hope Melo leaves and wins a championship and rubs it all in our face.

How does that make you better than the Lin, Gallo, and Wil fans who root for them over NY?
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#42 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:27 pm

Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#43 » by MelosSoreWrist » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:39 pm

NBARocks wrote:I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Rookie contracts are the most valuable assets in the NBA right now. Next to picks, that is. Any GM trying to build a team through free agency should lose their job. Free agency should only be considered when your team is missing one or two pieces. Every team should build their team through the draft.

In the coming years, there'll be even more demand for guys who can extract value out of managing the salary cap - they'll be the premium GMs of the league. The rest will be fodder for these guys.

The problem is most rookies are not ready to significantly contribute on a contending team until the end of their rookie contract. By then they are due for a big re-up.
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greenhughes wrote:I hope Melo leaves and wins a championship and rubs it all in our face.

How does that make you better than the Lin, Gallo, and Wil fans who root for them over NY?
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#44 » by AirP. » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:48 pm

MelosSoreWrist wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:OKC are going to do 3 things:
1. ask melo to opt out for a smaller per year contract - melo probably says no
2. ask george to opt in to his player option - george says no
3. be forced to trade away melo, roberson or abrines/singler, giving up longer term draft picks to do so

option 3 seems most likely to me, and that should signal to george that OKC aren't interested in keeping the gang together or improving the roster for a tilt at the title

george leaving means OKC gets to try to make it work between westbrook and melo

worst case scenario, OKC makes the WCFs, then gets crushed by GSW, Bennett and co. face their biggest nightmare, fans want to contend and there's public pressure being forced to bleed through the nose for a 2nd tier contender that's only getting older and less athletic, with no real assets to move the needle


Melo is currently 33, the smartest thing he can do is prearrange with OKC(if George is staying) to opt out and resign for around 50-60 mil for 3 years. If he doesn't opt out he'll make 28 million at age 34 and then who's going to give him big money at age 35 and/or 36?

The other option is to buy him out next year at around 20-22 million(saving 6-8 million in salaries which would be huge with that tax bill they'll have) and let him sign for decent money somewhere else.

Thats quite an either, or. Pay 60 mil for Melo the next 3 years or pay 22 mil to not play with you at alll.

It sucks but that's the reality if they keep Melo unless they're just good with dealing with a big tax bill for 1 year to have 2 good max players(Westbrook and George) for the next 4 or so years to build around.
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#45 » by MelosSoreWrist » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:06 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true

Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.
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greenhughes wrote:I hope Melo leaves and wins a championship and rubs it all in our face.

How does that make you better than the Lin, Gallo, and Wil fans who root for them over NY?
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#46 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:13 pm

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ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true

Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#47 » by AmusingFiddle » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:23 pm

I have mentioned this a few times before and I will say it again. The Thunder will have to chose between Adams & PG this coming off season. There is absolutely no way they keep all four.
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#48 » by BrownBearKing » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:24 pm

Melo still has his no trade clause. He's not going anywhere.
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#49 » by Dupp » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:27 pm

“ Thunder interest in trading for Avery Bradley”

That ought to help things
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#50 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:35 pm

MelosSoreWrist wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true

Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#51 » by LakersLegacy » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:45 pm

THE J0KER wrote:Salaries of most productive TOP4 team's players of 2017-18 season:

OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER:
$28,530,608 Russell Westbrook
$26,243,760 Carmelo Anthony
$22,471,910 Steven Adams
$19,508,958 Paul George___
$96,755,236 OVERALL

DENVER NUGGETS:
$3,355,320 Jamal Murray
$2,550,055 Gary Harris
$2,441,400 Trey Lyles
$1,471,382 Nikola Jokic___
$9,818,157 OVERALL

:o :o :o :o
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#52 » by alebaba » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:59 pm

MelosSoreWrist wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true

Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


Why would a premier player want to lead bunch of rookies?
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#53 » by MelosSoreWrist » Sat Feb 3, 2018 7:01 pm

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MelosSoreWrist wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true

Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


Why would a premier player want to lead bunch of rookies?

Not a single rookie, let alone a bunch.
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greenhughes wrote:I hope Melo leaves and wins a championship and rubs it all in our face.

How does that make you better than the Lin, Gallo, and Wil fans who root for them over NY?
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#54 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:56 pm

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MelosSoreWrist wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true

Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


Jerry West.


Not to mention despite all the big names on the Lakers their core is still inferior.
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#55 » by LakersSoul » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:01 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
MelosSoreWrist wrote:Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


Jerry West.


Not to mention despite all the big names on the Lakers their core is still inferior.


Hmmm...

Maybe you should change your profile picture before bashing the Lakers.

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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#56 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:12 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
MelosSoreWrist wrote:Why would any marquee free agent pick the Clippers over the Lakers at this point. Lakers have a group of developing young players needing a lead dog. You get to be the face of THE premiere franchise in the association. There's room to bring another top tier running mate to help you contend right away. And, oh yeah, factor in the Clippers straight up just dirtied the previous face of their organization. Good luck selling the Clippers over the Lakers anytime soon.


Jerry West.


Not to mention despite all the big names on the Lakers their core is still inferior.


People sleeping on the ability of what the Clippers can do. If I am them, I'd only look to trade Lou Will and Deandre (preferably keep Deandre since I cant see any team give a 1st and expirings for him) if they can get 1st round picks attached to expiring contracts. Fire Doc, maybe his son opts out for long term security after a nice year.

Go into next year with Tobias/Beverly and enough cap to sign Paul George.

For assets Detroit 1st (14-18), Clippers 1st (12-16), Dekker, whatever they get from moving Lou Will.

Option 1. Lebron tells Cleveland hes going to LA, he opts in and does a CP3 style trade with Gallo, Dekker, Clippers 1st going to the Cavs. Otherwise they find another taker for that same package for cap space. Sign Lebron.

Option 2. John Wall moves. They trade Gallo, Beverly, Boban, Lac or Det 1st for Wall. Possibly routing Gallo and some compensation to a 3rd team with something else coming back to Wizards.

Resign Jordan.

Jordan
Tobias
George
Wall

4 core pieces between 25-29 years old.

Or

Jordan
Tobias
Lebron
George/Wade
Beverly/Milos

With Boban, Johnson, Det or Clippers 1st to move for another addition.

This team is better than the current Cavs and the closest thing we have to beating the Warriors.

Not saying either of these will definitely happen, just saying the Clippers have a multi billion dollar owner, A brilliant mind in Jerry West, space to work, assets to deal and are in LA.
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#57 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:14 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true


Really?! He grew up a Clipper fan???
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#58 » by anthony00 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:15 pm

should of kept harden also release melo
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#59 » by kodo » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:18 pm

The irony is that Lux Tax rules were created to financially penalize big market teams like Chicago and benefit small market teams like OKC.

Meanwhile Chicago has loads of cap space and OKC is crippled financially.
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Re: The $270 million dollar question 

Post#60 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:23 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Paul George will be a Clipper. Grew up a fan of the Clips, now his dream will come true


Really?! He grew up a Clipper fan???


Yes. Grew up watching both teams but liked the Clippers more. Has said so in interviews. He was really mad Clippers didn't draft him.
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