Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[Bogyo]

I do not believe the statements above, as he has not shown any of the traits. Self-aware? Smart? Intelligent? You got to be effing kidding me. From all we've seen he is the exact opposite.

It’s possible to be smart and intelligent while having incredibly low basketball IQ. Perfect example of this is Brandon Knight.

But then you don't have all these problems with pouting, challenging coachest, etc, becouse you are smart and you know that your are not in the position to do so. He does the exact opposite, and it's not the first time.
If you are that smart, and you try to bulk up during summer (with an NBA franchise and its chefs, diatetics, athletic trainers, helping you), then you don't arrive to the summer league/training camp fat and unprepared. You have the IQ to understand that millions of dollars and your future depends on how you do these 2-3 years that's left of your rookie contract. He did the exact opposite.
Sorry, but there is too much evidence against him. Not buying the corporate fluff by mouthpiece journalists.
No, he is not close to Morris territory yet, but with this mentality and that much brain and bball IQ he will never make a big impact, he will become a bust. If we could trade him (and one/two picks) for AG, I'd do it in a second, as he will never be that good.

[thamadkant]

I don't think Gordon is a game changer enough to be a max player.

You end up mediocre when you max out players who does not have that MVP level gear...


IMO Warren has already taken that "3rd or 4th" best player slot on the Suns with his 15 million a year contract. I believe Gordon belongs in that range in a contending team... I would be fine with him at a contract around 17 to 19 million a year.


Suns need that first or second option star...

Hence Cousins, George etc are my top FAs

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

OK, OK...I'll bite. We'll trade Warren + MIL 1st + PHX '18 2nd for AG...and...a 2-for-1 deal. The PHX 2016 1st Rd selections--the #4 and #8 overall picks for Isaac. I know, I know. Pretty insane that we would trade 2 x Top 10 picks for one player, but I'm willing to do it. They should jump at that 2nd offer...

They are definitely not trading Isaac. They sure as hell are not trading both. For Warren, Chriss and Bender. I don't know that they would trade Gordon for Warren, Chriss and Bender. I am not sure how much trade value Warren has. Not that I don't think he is on a great contract, but guys who can't shoot 3s or play D very well or get others involved regularly are not particularly in high demand. I don't think they have much our PFs have much trade value either. I think all those players have more value to us than what they would net in trade.

But like I said, I think they will keep Gordon. I'm surprised you are so down on our players you would trade them for a RFA anyway.

Her's Part II to my response...

As far as being down on our players? I'm not, really. I'm just down on our 'team building'. If we are not going to take an active approach to developing our players, and not get a PG (our latest signing of Gray proves this), then we better get a player that is 80% developed, as opposed to just thinking the 'Magic Development Fairy' is going to come along and develop Chriss and Bender properly. So, I'd rather roll out next year with our SG, SF, and PF positions set with JJ being the SF. He seems to be developing faster than our other two PFs, which shouldn't be a surprise, since he's not a big, and getting more minutes per game than the other two ever have.

I'm all about getting as many 'ready' players as possible, and 'forcing' the hand to keep JJ on the floor, and to do that, Warren likely needs to go, as much as I REALLY like Warren. But who knows, man...hence, my banging heads emoticons...let's just keep collecting top 10 picks, and doing nothing with them. Great idea! And by golly, in no way.shape, or form are we going to consider getting a top-tier PG in here...we're going to fill our holes with NAZ guys.

... scoring 41 points with three rebounds, nine assists and five 3-pointers in 42 minutes.
He was ridiculous in the second half, playing the entire 24 minutes with 28 points to help the Hornets get the win. Walker is probably the biggest snub of any NBA player for the All-Star Game and he's been on some tear right now. Since the ESPN trade rumor story back on Jan. 19, Walker has averaged 28.6 points, 4.0 boards, 6.4 assists, 1.1 steals and 4.4 treys. Teams will have to give up the farm to get him.

So much for that idea...but I forgot...he's, what was the wording used??...'borderline' All-Star??

But, but, but, the Miami Heat are a winning team!! Sure...with a negative point differential of -.8 PPG, and 100.3 PPG

But, but, but, the Charlotte Hornets are a losing team!! Sure...with a positive point differential of .3 PPG and 106.3 PPG

I forget, which part of the team's play does the PG have the most impact on...was it defense, or offense??

Man, Kemba, and his 22.8 Pts/5.9 Asst per gm can only do so much. Give him Whiteside, like Dragic and his 17.2/4.7 Asst per gm, and his team would be winning too.

But this is a-whole-nother discussion...but point is, we are going to bring in a Rookie PG next year; that seems to be the consensus opinion. That PG is going to be fighting to learn his own role within the NBA. He cannot help other young'ns develop.

So, if that is the case, IMO, we better surround this Rookie PF with no kidding talent, so HE is successful. Gordon might not be a bad place to start.

Rookie PG / Booker / JJ / Gordon / Chandler

We will probably also bring in a rookie Center, but as we've seen, so long as we have Chandler, he starts. But in this instance, it might actually be good for at least half a season, to settle the new PG.

Let's say it's Sexton (I think Sexton would be good for us with Booker's Combo Guard abilities, as well).

Sexton / Booker / JJ / Gordon / Metu

I'd go with Metu with our MIA '18 1st. He's a little more seasoned, but still has upside, and is a PF/C hybrid.

I'm just saying, I hope McD is looking at these things, instead of "Ooohhh, SHINY...He's only 18-YO, I want him!!" Let's go in with some semblance of understanding of what might actually be best for the guys we already have, and the ones we are bringing in. It's not always in our best interest to bring in the 'rawest', 'youngest', 'biggest upside' prospect, becaause as we are seeing, those types typically come with equally as low 'downsides'.

Why do you keep responding to my posts twice, and with very long posts? This one even diverts into a discussion about Kemba and the all star game and arguing as if I thought Dragic should get in instead of him. I thought Kemba absolutely deserved that replacement spot, and if not him, Ben Simmons, and if not him Khriss Middleton. I've stated that, so not sure where you were going there.

[bwgood77]

Chris has to go ASAP. I dont want this **** going on with our team again. Josh Jackson has made more improvement in 3 weeks than Quese has in 2 years. Weed this kid out now! Losing by 20 every night is hard enough but to pile on top of that with a entitled kid with a bad attitude. We cant let this poison spread again.

Naw man, he's 1 of 4 of the 100/100/100 before age 21, club, with Kobe, Bron, and Durant being the other 3...he's gonna be a star according to, was it bwoolf2?

Sorry bwoolf2; I hate it when people dog on me for saying stuff, but this is what I meant. Chriss just isn't all that; he got lucky to be drafted so young, and be drafted into the right situation to where he got minutes immediately--that's it. Oh, and he's uber-athletic, which gave him the ability to sway some balls and make some steals. But other than that, at his current development pace and attitude, he's just not getting it, and doubt that he will, without a SERIOUS, NON-ROOKIE talent infusion at PG.

I dont know whether he will be a star or not and no one on this board does as well we are all just making assumptions at this point these guys including Bender and Jackson are all too young to make any long term decisions like we know this or that. I personally like his tools and think he has a chance if he can get his mind right and based on what I have heard from people that are around him there is a chance for that to happen and thats all I can ask for. Now next year if there is no progress then I am on board or making some decisions but I want to give it at least 3 years with all these guys and I think we need to give it some extra time because of the lack of development Watson and his staff had with the entire team and the lack on an NBA pg on the roster this year. These guys still arent 21 yet.

I totally agree. And about the rebuttal to yours about getting into the 100/100/100...I guess the only reason the only others were LeBron and Durant was because they got a lot of minutes early. What a terrible thing! Chriss was an impressive rookie last year based on expectations and has been impressive this year after getting back in shape. There are certainly things he needs to work on but he definitely has some nice skills and has even gotten smarter defensively as Zach Lowe noted.

[bwgood77]

So the Cavs need to acquire a larger guard who plays defense and a true center who can do the dirty work.

Among the players fitting the description who should be available are Spencer Dinwiddie, George Hill, Ricky Rubio and Robin Lopez.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22278906/four-nba-trade-deadline-buyers-make-moves

Not sure if this little tidbit in the article means Dinwiddie is available from the Nets (I don't get why they would trade him) but would anyone be interested in him? Has he tailed off since a hot start? What would it take to get him?

I would love to get him. He is under contract next season for just $1.6M.

I would trade the the Mil pick and our second round for him.

I'd rather have him than Gordon, but I seriously doubt he's going anywhere.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Its easy to see the appeal of what chriss can be. A guy with his athleticism and shooting stroke could be useful as both a roll and a pick and pop on offense and a rim protector on d. Thats exactly what you want in todays NBA. Now whether he ever 'figures it out' is anyones guess.

[NavLDO]

I do not believe the statements above, as he has not shown any of the traits. Self-aware? Smart? Intelligent? You got to be effing kidding me. From all we've seen he is the exact opposite.

I just hope that he was told that this is the last straw. 2nd strike. Whatever.
Let him know that this is unacceptable from a young punk who was only gifted minutes becouse the previous yoga teacher was in love with him. We could still ship his ass out with one/two of our draft picks and get somebody useful. smh

I mean he was studying electrical engineering at UW if I remember correctly, so probably not fair of you to call him the opposite of intelligent. He may not be basketball smart, but he seems far from a punk off the court. This **** happens, you guys are acting like he Markieffed someone in public

Funny...I went back to look, and yeah, he did, but also saw some of the discussion being had about Chriss right before the draft. how we were considering drafting him 4th overall...how he was so uber-athletic and how his athleticism would keep him from 'busting', and how his floor really isn't that low, so on and so forth...

I did ready a comment about getting him his own full time coach; that, that point, I agree with. Why you would invest so much into these kids, yet not be willing to invest an extra $200K or so on an out-of-work coach who would love an opportunity mentor and guide a young, athletic, immature (both on- and off-court) talent, and ensure he succeeds. Not sure if that is frowned upon in the NBA, or if that shows 'favoritism' or what, but clearly, he's not 'getting it' by his onesies.

If we ever want to either get our worth from him in a trade, or get him to the point of a starting PF for us, something different is going to have to be done. Athleticism + Rawness + Punk-@ss = Out of the NBA, last I checked. Don't get me wrong; I'm far from a Chriss hater. I'd love for him to succeed and take this team to greatness. I'm just not looking at him through those Rose-colored glassed Frank used to post pictures of so frequently a couple of years back.

[Fo-Real]

I think the more Booker has started at the point the better he has looked. He starting to almost look semi natural the more he plays. Also question where the hell's the game thread?

[bwgood77]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

[sunsbum]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

Its more than just one thing. A lot more.

[bwgood77]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

Its more than just one thing. A lot more.

I admit he's had his problems, being lazy arguing after a call and not getting back, coming back out of shape like Shaq used to all the time, and other things including this. But he hasn't had rape allegations, punched a coach, threatened reporters, fights, substance abuse problems, etc, all of which have happened by others such as Kobe, Blake, Cousins, Morris twins, and many in the latter...

They mostly just deal with immaturity and things he can easily grow out of. If not, then we can move on. I think it's a little early to move on due to these few minor things. If there is more than meets the eye that you know about, let me know.

[BobbieL]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

I don't think he is getting traded either. Chriss was improving as the season went on - I think Triano has had a positive impact.

Would be nice to do something this week but I am guessing Thursday will be very slow for the Suns

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

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in DRPM last year, considering they both played, Gordon ranked 67th in PFs for DRPM while Parker ranked 73rd. So however you want to classify that I guess. One of our own PFs was last though. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/2017/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/6 You are right about Parker being one of the worst, but so was Gordon.

This year Gordon is the 84th best PF in DRPM. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/6

So whatever you want to call it, it's not good, and being that bad defensively is not the type of guy a bad defensive team should want to pay max or near max money to.

Not that I want Parker, either..never been a big fan but liked him better last year when his 3pt shot got a lot better.

So, then using your logic, we shouldn't want to pay Booker the Max, or near Max, either, right? Just playing devil's advocate, here, but in this new 'positionless' basketball, one position is no more important than the next in their roles defensively/offensively, especially the 2-4 spots, where roles are really more ill-defined. And when he's pitted up against PG, he should fair even better with his length.

We can pick apart any player, really, as to why they aren't deserving of a Max for us, but the bottom line is; is he better than what we have now, or could conceivably get? Should we pay the Max, or near Max, to bring on Luc Mbah a Moute this Summer? His DRPM is 3rd in the NBA? I'm being snarky here, but we all recognize that while he might be a nice bench PF to go get, he's not our future at PF. Gordon is 22; his play has improved every season; and he's a decent overall, 3PT shooter....oh, and he's likely available and better than anything we have right now at that position. I guess it comes down to, are we waiting/hoping Bender or Chriss ends up being our PF of the future?? Or are we giving up on them and ready to move forward. Depending upon which camp you are in, probably affects your opinion on the matter.

Two points about being that bad defensively an already terrible defensive team should not pay him the max, and your counter with "then we shouldn't pay Booker the max"....well Booker is already a part of that bad defensive team, and he is a clear cut part of our core going forward already, so we need to surround him with as many great defenders as possible.

But also, being really bad defensively is more acceptable if it looks like you look to have the ability in the near future to be one of the best scorers in the league from all three levels. Gordon isn't close to that. He's a PF who is a career 45% shooter and less than 31% from 3 and 71% from the line. He is better this year at 34.6%, and had a hot start as did the Magic team, but he's been regressing since.

I like him being a UA guy and all, but I don't really think he's on the trade block anyway. There hasn't really been a reputable source that has said it. I think he is a guy who will likely get matched as a RFA if another team gets an offer, so I won't spend too many times discussing.

I believe in our PFs and think they are both progressing and can be solid pieces and have the tools to play in today's nba, so I don't want to abandon draft picks less than 2 years into their careers.

Oh, and about Luc Mbah a Moute...he's the type of smart signing this team should go after (don't think we need at PF right now though) because he is a great defender, and heck, he even shoots better from the field overall and from 3 than Gordon. And he is only paid a couple million. Great 3&D guy and great value signing for the Rockets. Value signings are smart. Overpaying people is not.

As a bench guy, sure, but he's not our PF going forward. He'll be 31 next year. Gordan is 22.

Secondly, I'm fine with not going after Gordon; my heart's not set on it. I'm just providing ideas for a S&T IF we go after him. The most important piece, to me is, I think going into next season with:

Rookie PG / Booker / JJ or Warren / Chriss or Bender / Rookie Center

...is not going to work out well, and we'll just see more of the same, IMO. Chriss, JJ, and Bender will not have progressed much, and bringing in a Rookie PG into this situation, and asking HIM to succeed when only 1 or 2 other players on the offense or developed, and there's another rookie also trying to learn and develop. We start Chandler instead? OK, that's better, I guess. at least Chandler won;t be clueless...just old and not very good anymore, which, well, contributes to us not being good...again...

So where do we find ourselves?? Right back here, a year from now, with some posters clinging to any hope of a trade that will make us better, while others will be hoping we can tank, so we can replace Chriss and Bender, because they aren't any good, and we hope for 2020...

Sorry, but it's getting old, to some of us. Booker included, when a 31-YO PG with 2/3 his production, goes to the All-Star Game again, because he's in the East on a team surrounded with talent. But by golly, let's not spend money now, so we can save it for guys that we'll be calling for their heads by this time next year...and that might screw up our tank to get the next great Sun!

[Fo-Real]

Might as well let Booker developed his pg skills for the rest of the year while Josh develops at sg, maybe book learns when and where to interject himself while running the team. Would mean drafting a stud big instead of pg first. The team also has to adjust and learn anew with this change, it's like starting over as a group and reassessing roles. STAND PAT!

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

They are definitely not trading Isaac. They sure as hell are not trading both. For Warren, Chriss and Bender. I don't know that they would trade Gordon for Warren, Chriss and Bender. I am not sure how much trade value Warren has. Not that I don't think he is on a great contract, but guys who can't shoot 3s or play D very well or get others involved regularly are not particularly in high demand. I don't think they have much our PFs have much trade value either. I think all those players have more value to us than what they would net in trade.

But like I said, I think they will keep Gordon. I'm surprised you are so down on our players you would trade them for a RFA anyway.

Her's Part II to my response...

As far as being down on our players? I'm not, really. I'm just down on our 'team building'. If we are not going to take an active approach to developing our players, and not get a PG (our latest signing of Gray proves this), then we better get a player that is 80% developed, as opposed to just thinking the 'Magic Development Fairy' is going to come along and develop Chriss and Bender properly. So, I'd rather roll out next year with our SG, SF, and PF positions set with JJ being the SF. He seems to be developing faster than our other two PFs, which shouldn't be a surprise, since he's not a big, and getting more minutes per game than the other two ever have.

I'm all about getting as many 'ready' players as possible, and 'forcing' the hand to keep JJ on the floor, and to do that, Warren likely needs to go, as much as I REALLY like Warren. But who knows, man...hence, my banging heads emoticons...let's just keep collecting top 10 picks, and doing nothing with them. Great idea! And by golly, in no way.shape, or form are we going to consider getting a top-tier PG in here...we're going to fill our holes with NAZ guys.

... scoring 41 points with three rebounds, nine assists and five 3-pointers in 42 minutes.
He was ridiculous in the second half, playing the entire 24 minutes with 28 points to help the Hornets get the win. Walker is probably the biggest snub of any NBA player for the All-Star Game and he's been on some tear right now. Since the ESPN trade rumor story back on Jan. 19, Walker has averaged 28.6 points, 4.0 boards, 6.4 assists, 1.1 steals and 4.4 treys. Teams will have to give up the farm to get him.

So much for that idea...but I forgot...he's, what was the wording used??...'borderline' All-Star??

But, but, but, the Miami Heat are a winning team!! Sure...with a negative point differential of -.8 PPG, and 100.3 PPG

But, but, but, the Charlotte Hornets are a losing team!! Sure...with a positive point differential of .3 PPG and 106.3 PPG

I forget, which part of the team's play does the PG have the most impact on...was it defense, or offense??

Man, Kemba, and his 22.8 Pts/5.9 Asst per gm can only do so much. Give him Whiteside, like Dragic and his 17.2/4.7 Asst per gm, and his team would be winning too.

But this is a-whole-nother discussion...but point is, we are going to bring in a Rookie PG next year; that seems to be the consensus opinion. That PG is going to be fighting to learn his own role within the NBA. He cannot help other young'ns develop.

So, if that is the case, IMO, we better surround this Rookie PF with no kidding talent, so HE is successful. Gordon might not be a bad place to start.

Rookie PG / Booker / JJ / Gordon / Chandler

We will probably also bring in a rookie Center, but as we've seen, so long as we have Chandler, he starts. But in this instance, it might actually be good for at least half a season, to settle the new PG.

Let's say it's Sexton (I think Sexton would be good for us with Booker's Combo Guard abilities, as well).

Sexton / Booker / JJ / Gordon / Metu

I'd go with Metu with our MIA '18 1st. He's a little more seasoned, but still has upside, and is a PF/C hybrid.

I'm just saying, I hope McD is looking at these things, instead of "Ooohhh, SHINY...He's only 18-YO, I want him!!" Let's go in with some semblance of understanding of what might actually be best for the guys we already have, and the ones we are bringing in. It's not always in our best interest to bring in the 'rawest', 'youngest', 'biggest upside' prospect, becaause as we are seeing, those types typically come with equally as low 'downsides'.

Why do you keep responding to my posts twice, and with very long posts? This one even diverts into a discussion about Kemba and the all star game and arguing as if I thought Dragic should get in instead of him. I thought Kemba absolutely deserved that replacement spot, and if not him, Ben Simmons, and if not him Khriss Middleton. I've stated that, so not sure where you were going there.

I'm responding to your post twice, because I had SOOO much insight I wanted to share that was related to your post, and didn't want to take an entire page up with one post...so I split it up.

I was responding to you, because it was related, not because you were against it or you said the things I was responding with...but that would involve a 3rd post, so... sorry.

And BTW...it should have been Simmons, then Middleton (if PG wasn't specifically needed to be addressed), Kemba, then 3 other guys...then Dragic...because I thought All-Star games were for this season, not 'patting' players on the back for a season they previously played, but didn't get picked because they weren't good enough then...but somehow are, now???

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Her's Part II to my response...

As far as being down on our players? I'm not, really. I'm just down on our 'team building'. If we are not going to take an active approach to developing our players, and not get a PG (our latest signing of Gray proves this), then we better get a player that is 80% developed, as opposed to just thinking the 'Magic Development Fairy' is going to come along and develop Chriss and Bender properly. So, I'd rather roll out next year with our SG, SF, and PF positions set with JJ being the SF. He seems to be developing faster than our other two PFs, which shouldn't be a surprise, since he's not a big, and getting more minutes per game than the other two ever have.

I'm all about getting as many 'ready' players as possible, and 'forcing' the hand to keep JJ on the floor, and to do that, Warren likely needs to go, as much as I REALLY like Warren. But who knows, man...hence, my banging heads emoticons...let's just keep collecting top 10 picks, and doing nothing with them. Great idea! And by golly, in no way.shape, or form are we going to consider getting a top-tier PG in here...we're going to fill our holes with NAZ guys.



So much for that idea...but I forgot...he's, what was the wording used??...'borderline' All-Star??

But, but, but, the Miami Heat are a winning team!! Sure...with a negative point differential of -.8 PPG, and 100.3 PPG

But, but, but, the Charlotte Hornets are a losing team!! Sure...with a positive point differential of .3 PPG and 106.3 PPG

I forget, which part of the team's play does the PG have the most impact on...was it defense, or offense??

Man, Kemba, and his 22.8 Pts/5.9 Asst per gm can only do so much. Give him Whiteside, like Dragic and his 17.2/4.7 Asst per gm, and his team would be winning too.

But this is a-whole-nother discussion...but point is, we are going to bring in a Rookie PG next year; that seems to be the consensus opinion. That PG is going to be fighting to learn his own role within the NBA. He cannot help other young'ns develop.

So, if that is the case, IMO, we better surround this Rookie PF with no kidding talent, so HE is successful. Gordon might not be a bad place to start.

Rookie PG / Booker / JJ / Gordon / Chandler

We will probably also bring in a rookie Center, but as we've seen, so long as we have Chandler, he starts. But in this instance, it might actually be good for at least half a season, to settle the new PG.

Let's say it's Sexton (I think Sexton would be good for us with Booker's Combo Guard abilities, as well).

Sexton / Booker / JJ / Gordon / Metu

I'd go with Metu with our MIA '18 1st. He's a little more seasoned, but still has upside, and is a PF/C hybrid.

I'm just saying, I hope McD is looking at these things, instead of "Ooohhh, SHINY...He's only 18-YO, I want him!!" Let's go in with some semblance of understanding of what might actually be best for the guys we already have, and the ones we are bringing in. It's not always in our best interest to bring in the 'rawest', 'youngest', 'biggest upside' prospect, becaause as we are seeing, those types typically come with equally as low 'downsides'.

Why do you keep responding to my posts twice, and with very long posts? This one even diverts into a discussion about Kemba and the all star game and arguing as if I thought Dragic should get in instead of him. I thought Kemba absolutely deserved that replacement spot, and if not him, Ben Simmons, and if not him Khriss Middleton. I've stated that, so not sure where you were going there.

I'm responding to your post twice, because I had SOOO much insight I wanted to share that was related to your post, and didn't want to take an entire page up with one post...so I split it up.

I was responding to you, because it was related, not because you were against it or you said the things I was responding with...but that would involve a 3rd post, so sorry.

And BTW...it should have been Simmons, then Middleton (if PG wasn't specifically needed to be addressed), Kemba, then 3 other guys...then Dragic...because I thought All-Star games were for this season, not 'patting' players on the back for a season they previously played, but didn't get picked because they weren't good enough then...but somehow are, now???

At first I thought Middleton, and then when everyone was saying Simmons I examined all the numbers closer and felt Kemba actually probably edged out Simmons, though it was close, and maybe I was biased because I knew Simmons would already play in the Rising Stars game, and I really like Kemba....but of course if you let record of your team influence anything, Simmons and Middleton have that edge, but I don't think it should.

One thing I will say about Dragic is, somehow he ends up on teams that win. We had that crazy feel good season with him, and then I think were above 500 the next season when we traded him and went downhill. Then we've been crap since and Miami has been overachieving relative to expectations since they've had him (except for the first half of last year)....so maybe there are some intangibles there. Though Spo is a great coach as well.

[Bogyo]

Also, no relation to the ASG whatsoever, just about Dragic winning, they really had no business winning the Euro Championships, but they did.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I love Josh Jackson.

[Wilber85]

not going to lie. I like Julius Randle.

I think Josh Jackson, and Bender are keepers.

We need to let Len walk, and also Trade Chriss.

[hollywood6964]

not going to lie. I like Julius Randle.

I think Josh Jackson, and Bender are keepers.

We need to let Len walk, and also Trade Chriss.

I'm not big on Randle, it's not 1995 anymore. But I do think jj stays, bender is still in eval, n trade chriss if you have a taker.