Wizardspride wrote:"Carter Page shouldn't have been a target of the FBI"-- Devin Nunes
Yeah.....
the patriot act sprung from 9-11...to prevent further terrorists attacks.
The Fisa warrant process was rewritten mltiple times because of public out cry and being challenged in court as being unconsititutional. In short we are only supposed to be tracking
imminent FOREIGN terrorists with this law. In this particular case I'm not sure what is more important violation. That Carter Page was definitely not any kind of terrorist threat. And definitely not Imminent. and definitely not a foreigner.
He's just an AMERICAN guy with an international business.
Illegal search and seizure is supposed to be an ACLU issue. A civil libertarian dog whistle. Basically a war cry from the left...yet not only is the left surprisingly quiet on this but in fact complicit and outright defending police-state tactics of surveillance.
So i find it odd that the left is defending this surveillance. at all...on.any.level. Because just a stop light illegal search and seizure is grotesque to me. and or quick home search and seizure. But in both of those instances, damage is mostly limited to what you have in the house or car and you can shut your mouth and NOT say a word. Where a FISA warrant gives the FBI 3 months of constant surveillance. and they can go everywhere. bank accounts. Internet searches. texts. emails. everything. I propose that if you surveil anyone even mother theresa for 3 months and you can easily find a crime. This is KGB, banana republic type "show me the guy and i will show you the crime" type tactics.
And most americans dont mind these tactics used on actual foreign terrorists that are imminent threats or even almost imminent threats. But on political opponents?? And then unmasking those political opponents?? Unmasking General Flynn in this case so as to catch him up in a lie. A lie that was discovered while surveilling Carter Page and Papadopoulus, that surveillance carried over into General Flynn? These are garbage police state tactics that Minimally, the FBI, can use this surveillance against US citizens when the FBI "interviews" the subject. The ol' "catch" them on "lying to the FBI" even trivial stuff like mixing dates up. and then attempt to charge the subject with "obstruction" as well (if they can show intent) just because of those trivial lies of what should be illegal surveillance recordings.
Come on, man. I have to call the "left's" bluff on this one. You guys dont want police state tactics like this used on US citizens. You dont! We know you don't. The left has been fighting this type of stuff for decades. and rightfully so. Why get on the wrong side of history now?
This stuff aint nothing knew to me. I know how the FBI plays. and they dont play fair. The only thing I can ever say about the FBI is never ever ever ever talk to the FBI. Because their whole and entire goal is to get you to lie to them. Thats their game plan. Then make you sing. But in politics, if you dont talk to the FBI your opponent will use it against. This is why Hillary answered 119 questions from the FBI the same way, "i dont recall." and CNN wont run it 24-7, 365 days per year. But if Trump answers questions the same way, that is all you will see on CNN, NBC, CBS for weeks if not months. and all day long.
And there is something wrong in all of that. Deeply and disturbingly wrong. Its a grotesque perversion of the law. The constitution. This is not the police state that our fore fathers envisioned for us when they wrote out constitution.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
