2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[Iheartfootball]

I really wonder what the hang up is with Darvish.

What it’s ALWAYS about. $

[wichmae]

I really wonder what the hang up is with Darvish.

What it’s ALWAYS about. $

Yeah kinda. I think its about years. He wants 7 and teams only wanna give him 4 or 5

[jakecronus8]

The longer this plays out the better our chances, right?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Is there a date where if a FA isn't signed by where a team no longer pays a comp pick?

[dbrodz7]

Is there a date where if a FA isn't signed by where a team no longer pays a comp pick?

I think it's June, but that's based on memory not anything I've recently read.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Is there a date where if a FA isn't signed by where a team no longer pays a comp pick?

I think it's June, but that's based on memory not anything I've recently read.

Yeah I was thinking it might be the draft but did a quick google search and didn't find anything. I expect we'll start to see the FA dominos fall soon but with the way this has gone it's not completely out of the question a guy or two might wait it out.

[Carioca]

Pretty sure that HH19 dude is full of **** lol, I wouldn't buy into it

I would agree with you if HH19 hadn't already had so many hits--he's obviously connected to somebody on the inside, although outside the decision-making circle. I think he's actually provided more specifics than BuckPack ever did in his insider reports.

I wouldn't have much of a problem at all trading Burnes as the centerpiece of an Archer deal. Archer is already a proven MLB pitcher on an incredibly valuable contract. He'd likely be the opening day starter, although unfortunately that's a curse in line with Madden.

You just don't know with prospects. Most of the guys traded for Greinke ended up being good, not so much in the CC Sabathia deal. We'd still likely have some decent prospects ready for advancement over the next two-three years even with the Archer deal as reported by HH19, so the farm wouldn't be completely barren.

I think the most impressive thing about Stearns' go-for-it strategy is that he's still setting us up for a long-term window. Yelich's contract is very team friendly, and Archer would be the same.

[DingleJerry]

Everyone likes to point to the trades during the win now period but really it wouldn't have changed much. You had Segura at SS so Escobar is a wash or in our favor. Odorizzi of course would be in our rotation but he's not some star that would've changed anything other than winning an extra couple games during the crap years, but of course he could've been flipped. Cain also was good, but Gomez was also good during that time. Brantley never would've gotten on the field in MKE. The two biggest prospects in Lawrie and LaPorta flopped.

the biggest way it would've changed things is that you'd have been able to trade Odorizzi, Cain, Brantley later on but not really much change in the 'winning window'. You'd have still had a dip and be getting to contending now. Big pic through those years after 2011 the offensive lineup was never the problem so your Cain/Brantley don't change much. And Odorizzi was just one solid P. It was years and years of horrible draft and development after Braun was drafted that led to the fall, especially when it comes to pitching.

[LittleRooster]

Pretty sure that HH19 dude is full of **** lol, I wouldn't buy into it

I would agree with you if HH19 hadn't already had so many hits--he's obviously connected to somebody on the inside, although outside the decision-making circle. I think he's actually provided more specifics than BuckPack ever did in his insider reports.

I wouldn't have much of a problem at all trading Burnes as the centerpiece of an Archer deal. Archer is already a proven MLB pitcher on an incredibly valuable contract. He'd likely be the opening day starter, although unfortunately that's a curse in line with Madden.

You just don't know with prospects. Most of the guys traded for Greinke ended up being good, not so much in the CC Sabathia deal. We'd still likely have some decent prospects ready for advancement over the next two-three years even with the Archer deal as reported by HH19, so the farm wouldn't be completely barren.

I think the most impressive thing about Stearns' go-for-it strategy is that he's still setting us up for a long-term window. Yelich's contract is very team friendly, and Archer would be the same.

I disagree on this

[Turk Nowitzki]

I wonder if we'll see some movement this week post Super Bowl news cycle. Though I wouldn't be surprised if this game of chicken extends awhile longer either.

[Gianstoppable]

Pretty sure that HH19 dude is full of **** lol, I wouldn't buy into it

I would agree with you if HH19 hadn't already had so many hits--he's obviously connected to somebody on the inside, although outside the decision-making circle. I think he's actually provided more specifics than BuckPack ever did in his insider reports.

I wouldn't have much of a problem at all trading Burnes as the centerpiece of an Archer deal. Archer is already a proven MLB pitcher on an incredibly valuable contract. He'd likely be the opening day starter, although unfortunately that's a curse in line with Madden.

You just don't know with prospects. Most of the guys traded for Greinke ended up being good, not so much in the CC Sabathia deal. We'd still likely have some decent prospects ready for advancement over the next two-three years even with the Archer deal as reported by HH19, so the farm wouldn't be completely barren.

I think the most impressive thing about Stearns' go-for-it strategy is that he's still setting us up for a long-term window. Yelich's contract is very team friendly, and Archer would be the same.

Define "So many hits" sure he said the Cleveland deal and also said some stuff about Yelich (We were linked to) and Cain (also linked to) has he ever called a move that we haven't been linked to? I said we should go after Yelich and Cain and even predicted we would get both. Does that make me an insider? Lol. The only move I hear people clamour about with him is the Lucroy deal that never happened. Idk, doesn't seem like a guy who would have such insight would be able to post as frequently as he does, just seems...off. IMO

[sdn40]

If all the rumors are true, would love to see the teams involved pull their offers to Darvish and let him sit. It's not as if there are many suitors at this point, and it's pretty obvious what the Darvish team is up to. Let them scream collusion because some team won't offer a quarter of a billion for a 32 year old pitcher. Maybe they won't try to jerk everyone around next year

[Carioca]

Pretty sure that HH19 dude is full of **** lol, I wouldn't buy into it

I would agree with you if HH19 hadn't already had so many hits--he's obviously connected to somebody on the inside, although outside the decision-making circle. I think he's actually provided more specifics than BuckPack ever did in his insider reports.

I wouldn't have much of a problem at all trading Burnes as the centerpiece of an Archer deal. Archer is already a proven MLB pitcher on an incredibly valuable contract. He'd likely be the opening day starter, although unfortunately that's a curse in line with Madden.

You just don't know with prospects. Most of the guys traded for Greinke ended up being good, not so much in the CC Sabathia deal. We'd still likely have some decent prospects ready for advancement over the next two-three years even with the Archer deal as reported by HH19, so the farm wouldn't be completely barren.

I think the most impressive thing about Stearns' go-for-it strategy is that he's still setting us up for a long-term window. Yelich's contract is very team friendly, and Archer would be the same.

Define "So many hits" sure he said the Cleveland deal and also said some stuff about Yelich (We were linked to) and Cain (also linked to) has he ever called a move that we haven't been linked to? I said we should go after Yelich and Cain and even predicted we would get both. Does that make me an insider? Lol. The only move I hear people clamour about with him is the Lucroy deal that never happened. Idk, doesn't seem like a guy who would have such insight would be able to post as frequently as he does, just seems...off. IMO

HH19 posted the Brewers involvement BEFORE the team was linked to the players by national reports. I think he's shown himself to post information that has a basis in fact over an ample period of time, so I find it interesting and noteworthy.

[M-C-G]

I would agree with you if HH19 hadn't already had so many hits--he's obviously connected to somebody on the inside, although outside the decision-making circle. I think he's actually provided more specifics than BuckPack ever did in his insider reports.

I wouldn't have much of a problem at all trading Burnes as the centerpiece of an Archer deal. Archer is already a proven MLB pitcher on an incredibly valuable contract. He'd likely be the opening day starter, although unfortunately that's a curse in line with Madden.

You just don't know with prospects. Most of the guys traded for Greinke ended up being good, not so much in the CC Sabathia deal. We'd still likely have some decent prospects ready for advancement over the next two-three years even with the Archer deal as reported by HH19, so the farm wouldn't be completely barren.

I think the most impressive thing about Stearns' go-for-it strategy is that he's still setting us up for a long-term window. Yelich's contract is very team friendly, and Archer would be the same.

Define "So many hits" sure he said the Cleveland deal and also said some stuff about Yelich (We were linked to) and Cain (also linked to) has he ever called a move that we haven't been linked to? I said we should go after Yelich and Cain and even predicted we would get both. Does that make me an insider? Lol. The only move I hear people clamour about with him is the Lucroy deal that never happened. Idk, doesn't seem like a guy who would have such insight would be able to post as frequently as he does, just seems...off. IMO

HH19 posted the Brewers involvement BEFORE the team was linked to the players by national reports. I think he's shown himself to post information that has a basis in fact over an ample period of time, so I find it interesting and noteworthy.

Yeah, keep the HH19 source or no source info over there in that forum. Far as I can tell, he was the first person I had heard that came out and said we had a series of moves lined up that were dependent on each other playing out. Well, so far Yelich, then Cain, we are linked to a trade of a pitcher and we are all but certain we are signing a FA P as well.

That's good enough for me to think he had someone feeding him the plan even if he didn't know the "who" we were looking at sending out and who we were looking at coming in.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Insider shaming is pretty lame IMO. Are some bs? Sure.. but when peeps go after them it just discourages people with real info from posting and that kind of sucks. Its a message board and it's fun to discuss rumors so anything fuels that discussion is cool with me. If you don't believe them thats cool but probably best to just ignore them then. Hell I don't believe half the **** coming from actual paid reporter insiders because I assume some is planted by teams or agents but I still don't mind reading the rumors.

[Gianstoppable]

Insider shaming is pretty lame IMO. Are some bs? Sure.. but when peeps go after them it just discourages people with real info from posting and that kind of sucks. Its a message board and it's fun to discuss rumors so anything fuels that discussion is cool with me. If you don't believe them thats cool but probably best to just ignore them then. Hell I don't believe half the **** coming from actual paid reporter insiders because I assume some is planted by teams or agents but I still don't mind reading the rumors.

I've heard it all now "Insider shaming" lol. Everyone "shames" Gery Woeful and Tom Hardicourt, they have gotten some things right before, and plenty wrong. I still dont understand why anyone who has affiliation with a team would leak info to someone that they know will go on forums and spread their insider info. Seems silly to me, just my opinion.

[Turk Nowitzki]

"Insider shaming" is a silly term but if the default response to someone posting supposed inside info is for everyone to tell them they're full of ****, you aren't going to get people posting inside info. Which is fine, but I'd prefer to have people posting that info. I'm not convinced that he's fully legit either but he's not hurting anyone and if he's lying he's certainly been dedicated about it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Insider shaming is pretty lame IMO. Are some bs? Sure.. but when peeps go after them it just discourages people with real info from posting and that kind of sucks. Its a message board and it's fun to discuss rumors so anything fuels that discussion is cool with me. If you don't believe them thats cool but probably best to just ignore them then. Hell I don't believe half the **** coming from actual paid reporter insiders because I assume some is planted by teams or agents but I still don't mind reading the rumors.

I've heard it all now "Insider shaming" lol. Everyone "shames" Gery Woeful and Tom Hardicourt, they have gotten some things right before, and plenty wrong. I still dont understand why anyone who has affiliation with a team would leak info to someone that they know will go on forums and spread their insider info. Seems silly to me, just my opinion.

Oh I think leaking happens. It's probably lower level guys who want to sound important to their friends and then that friend turns around and 'leaks' it on a message board without that original person knowing. People like to feel important and like attention. Is most of the info BS or old and vague? yeah probably. My point is why not just let them post it without getting ragged on for it; everyone makes their own decision on what they believe or not. I just think on an internet message board setting it's more fun and interesting with some of that info out there than not. If people feel like they will get ripped for posting it then they are less likely to post it.

Gery and Tom are both idiots and the fact it's their job and they are public figures fairly opens it up to criticism and shaming. To me that's different than going after the validity of someone on a message board. But even as much as they are idiots I still like seeing what insane rumor they are floating because it adds to the discussion overall.

And I wasn't personally going after you or even saying our wrong to doubt HH. I just see it all the time on these boards where people like to go after the 'insiders' and it's kind of lame IMO.

[DingleJerry]

Biggest thing people have to remember is that all the person is doing is relaying info he hears. I'd see no reason to think he's not being honest with what he's being told. But there are so many moving pieces and variables that no one knows anything for sure. So being 'wrong' on something doesn't mean they're full of it, just that what the people involved thought was happening didn't.

For example, I noticed this with the last election with 538 picking Hillary (and everyone else) and their reputation as always being correct. Well, they said it was X percent likely (I don't remember what it was, say 65% doesn't matter) well that's also saying there's a 35% chance Donny would win. yet people bashed him like he said this was all a certainty.

[Gianstoppable]

"Insider shaming" is a silly term but if the default response to someone posting supposed inside info is for everyone to tell them they're full of ****, you aren't going to get people posting inside info. Which is fine, but I'd prefer to have people posting that info. I'm not convinced that he's fully legit either but he's not hurting anyone and if he's lying he's certainly been dedicated about it.

I've seen plenty of people claim to be insiders, I said myself I THINK he's full of ****. I don't know, just seems like he hasn't said anything crazy that nobody saw coming. Just my opinion. Carry on, nothing to get stuck on. I am all for more rumors but certain people cling to these rumors as if they are concrete truth, that's all.