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Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!
gtn130 wrote:nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:
Ohhhhhh, ok.
But you weren't bothered at all that such a useful and efficient tool was in the hands of Corrupted #DeepState Obama Judges?
I would think a FISA hawk such as yourself would have been up in arms that the GOP could be so brazen and negligent as they put one of the most powerful anti-terrorism tools in the hands of the enemy.
Were you busy a few weeks ago or something?
I don't understand why you are having trouble grasping this.
The FISA system is a powerful tool that can be used for good or evil. Because some corrupt people abused it, doesn't make the program inherently evil. It makes the abusers evil.
By your logic, we shouldn't have police at all because some cops have made bad arrests and shot innocent people.
No way man. I'm simply worried about a powerful anti-terrorism tool such as FISA being put in the hands of the bad guys - Corrupt Obama #DeepState Judges.
We FISA hawks were FURIOUS last month when 702 was reauthorized! Why weren't you fighting the good fight with us???
I'm starting to believe you aren't as passionate a FISA watchdog as I thought you were, Nate.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Pointgod wrote:dckingsfan wrote:gtn130 wrote:That's all fine and good that we're giving privileged racists the absolute maximum amount of time to reflect on and examine their shortcomings, but I think, you know, maybe the next time those same folks who condemn poor black people or black on black crime or [insert dog whistle BS], maybe they can recognize that they're not affording others that same generosity?????
Be nice to white racists - they've come a long way!
Those blacks, though. Time to move on from slavery, folks! Can't blame mean old Whitey for everything! Have you seen what's going on in Chicago????
No - you missed what I said. I am pointing out that a vast majority aren't racist any longer - that we are making continual progress. And that making solid arguments moves folks in the right direction. I gave you data and anecdotal information.
But I also pointed out that you and pointgod like to jump the gun and call anyone that isn't in your camp - evil racists. Sorry - I am not having any of it...
Are you sure about that or did they just go underground? The majority of white people believe that white people face the most racism in the country. White pride was the reason Trump won every demographic of white people. I’ve asked you to point out where I’ve called people that simply disagree with me racist but you obviously can’t. I simply speak plainly when it comes to race and I don’t say anything that can’t be backed up by studies, research or evidence.
The biggest hurdle when it comes to race relations is that white people are actually more disgusted by being called racist than living in a white supremacist system. Most people of color could live with the garden variety racists that you’ll find on message boards as long as institutional racism was destroyed.
closg00 wrote:nate33 wrote:That debunks nothing. Perhaps the surveillance made after the first FISA warrant justified further surveillance, but the first FISA warrant was not justified. You can't illegally snoop around for dirt on someone, and then eventually find dirt, and use that dirt to justify the illegality of the initial investigation. It's a fundamental premise of our Constitution. You need probable cause to perform the initial surveillance or else any evidence obtained is poisoned fruit.
Another important fact Nate, you can toss out Carter Page entirely and the Russia probe would have existed. Why? Because at the very end the Nunes Memo states:“The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.”
So Nunes kind of does a *Cough*, btw, it was Papadopoulos that got this thing kicked-off. *Cough*
Papadopoulos is the John Dean here, he sang his little heart out and he can testify to the collusion. Flynn will sing beautifully about the direction he took from Trump about the Russian sanctions and who knows what else. Everything will come out.
Not long after, however, he opened up to Mr. Downer, the Australian diplomat, about his contacts with the Russians. It is unclear whether Mr. Downer was fishing for that information that night in May 2016. The meeting at the bar came about because of a series of connections, beginning with an Israeli Embassy official who introduced Mr. Papadopoulos to another Australian diplomat in London.
It is also not clear why, after getting the information in May, the Australian government waited two months to pass it to the F.B.I. In a statement, the Australian Embassy in Washington declined to provide details about the meeting or confirm that it occurred.
TGW wrote:Holy crap! The market just plunged to record lows today.
THANKS OBAMA
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Ruzious wrote:I'm not understanding how anyone is ok with the President of the US making tweets like this:Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!
How does ALL America - including Fox - not say that this kind of stuff has to stop now?
closg00 wrote:Ruzious wrote:I'm not understanding how anyone is ok with the President of the US making tweets like this:Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!
How does ALL America - including Fox - not say that this kind of stuff has to stop now?
"He's not a politician"
"He speaks his mind"
He is a counter-puncher"
"He speaks bluntly"
nate33 wrote:gtn130 wrote:nate33 wrote:That debunks nothing. Perhaps the surveillance made after the first FISA warrant justified further surveillance, but the first FISA warrant was not justified. You can't illegally snoop around for dirt on someone, and then eventually find dirt, and use that dirt to justify the illegality of the initial investigation. It's a fundamental premise of our Constitution. You need probable cause to make to perform the initial surveillance or else any evidence obtained is poisoned fruit.
And this is the issue you care about????? You don't give a single **** about the actual subject matter of the investigation. What you care about is ensuring the FISA warrants were correctly obtained down to the letter of the law!
In the poker world, this is what you call a 'tell' my friend.
Nate, why weren't you in this thread beating the drum against FISA when Nunes and everyone else voted to expand it just a few weeks ago?
Let me answer that for you - it's because you don't care about FISA at all. You're carrying water for Daddy and you just told on yourself.
Because FISA is a useful anti-terrorism tool. Properly used, it might save thousands of lives. Improperly used, it's a horrible imposition on our freedom.
gtn130 wrote:I just can't believe a brave FISA hawk like Nate stood by silently as the Rogue Congress passed the Dangerous (and Sick!) 702 re-authorization when we ALL knew such a powerful anti-terrorism weapon would go right into the hands of the Obama Deep State Judges and their Kangaroo Court!
Which side is Nate on????
“On Monday, the Justice Samuel Alito rejected an effort by Republican leaders in Pennsylvania to restore a Republican gerrymander that has allowed Republicans to dominate the state’s congressional delegation even in years when Democrats won the statewide popular vote.
Though stay requests such as this one are directed to a single justice as a matter of process, that justice typically refers the matter to the full Court if they believe that the request raises a serious legal argument. The fact that Alito, a staunch conservative, unilaterally denied this request speaks to the weakness of the GOP’s claims.
The Republican leaders’ effort to reinstate their gerrymandered maps was always a long shot. Pennsylvania’s supreme court decision relied entirely on the state constitution, and the United States Supreme Court does not have the authority to overrule a state supreme court’s interpretation of state law. Nevertheless, the Republican leaders raised arguments that conflict with a line of precedents that the United States Supreme Court reaffirmed as recently as 2015.
Had the Republicans prevailed, they could have potentially changed the outcome of the 2018 midterm elections. Under the gerrymandered maps, Republicans have won 13 of 18 seats in the state’s congressional district every year since 2012 — even though Democrats won the statewide popular vote in 2012.”
gtn130 wrote:^ I thought that was a pretty good tweet.
I see people are so worked up over my posting that they're googling me
