Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[steady]

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Of course I would make that trade with Knicks, but why they must take 2 millions more on salary, and swap a young player like Hernangomez, who makes minimum salary to take Zeller?

Trade with Heat. I say no. We don't need Johnson anymore with that horrendous contract.

And no. I don't like Abrines and I don't give away RHJ for a low pick. Also, OKC don't have 2018 first pick, that pick was traded to Minnesota.

ps: Hernangomez is a center, not a PF.

Hernangomez demanded to be traded today. He wants PT. Noah is about to punch his coach. It's simply a swap for less trouble for both teams.

Johnson has no horrendous contract. It's 18M and 19M. And we add talent in him, McGruder and Winslow who has the highest upside in the deal.

So you're paying Rondae what we pay Dinwiddie in 2018-19?

Hernangomez is a PF, a potential raw stretch 4. He's not a real C. Has a face up game. Look if I can get rid of Mozgov's contract, I'd think about it.

1) Tyler Johnson at 19 million a year is a really bad contract. better then crabbe? sure maybe... but its an awful contract. And we now have a huge logjam at combo gaurd, we dont need johnson like we did when we first made that offer. only thing that really makes me think about it is that carrolles deal runs longer but i still say no since i think we can dump carroll for salary relief and im not a big justice winslow guy to even it out - NOOO to that deal

2) LOVE hernangomez but dont see him as a PF. Would love him as our starting or backup center with allen. and salary wise noah isnt as bad as mozgov. YES to that deal

3) RHJ for abrines + first to me us turrible. assuming OKC did have their pick it would be an awful pick and that with abrines isnt close to worth the value. I VOMIT on this trade offer

DMC is an UFA in 2019. His contract is both smaller and shorter than TJ's. TJ has a player option for 2019-2020.

[IceManBK1]

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RHJ+Staukas+2nd rounder for Aaron Gordan..we need bigger PF and above the rim player.

gordon isnt really bigger.

gordon is 6'7" 220 with 7 foot wingspan
RHJ is 6'7" 218 with 7 foot 1 inc wingspan

RHJ is twice as good defending bigs.

MAgic would need to give me gordon + a first for RHJ

Gordon is 6'9

[JoseRizal]

If I were Marks, I would sell high. None of our players at this point is indispensible save for Allen which at 19yo is progressing really well and would fit our timeline when we're competitive enough.

Having all our 1st round picks beginning 2019 will justify this direction.

I think our "current" overperformance really stems out on the fact that our player development staff as well as Atkinson are really doing wonders in that aspect.

Let's wait at having an opportunity to draft real studs and not lock ourselves up with C/D/E talent.

so the idea is to trade everyone and start building a team in 2019?

2019 is just a year away. I’m not suggesting an outright fire sale, more like trading the valuable pieces that we have for picks. Do you honestly think we already have a core moving forward? If you ask me, no one is untradeable for the right picks...

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I don’t see us trading anybody at this deadline except maybe Demarre in a salary dump. I doubt we get the kind of offers for Dinwiddie or Harris that would compel us to move them. Woj’s suggestions of a 2nd for Harris and a late 1st for Dinwiddie are unacceptable.

[JiggaMan06]

If we can't get a lottery pick from a move dont do it. Ideally I would love 10th pick but the NY or Den pick would provide us with a great asset. I have never been a fan of trading 2 first round picks just to move down a few spots (Portland traded 20 and 15 to move to 10 and got Zach collins).

[yoyoboy]

Would you guys be interested in our first rounder and Zizic for Dinwiddie? We have one of the toughest schedules in the league remaining, Love is out for 2 months, and the team is obvious in real disarray since IT came back, so I really think it'll be a pick in the 16-19 range by the end of the year. Also Zizic (rookie and 23rd pick in 2016) areally hasn't gotten any minutes this year (just like Cedi) because Ty Lue is a moron and I would think he'd be able to better showcase his ability in another situation, similarly to Joe Harris who didn't get enough opportunities in Cleveland.

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[Paradise]

How is this a worthwhile deal? Beasley sucks, Arthur sucks. We didn’t develop Dinwiddie to toss him away for a lazy deal.

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[Paradise]

If I were Marks, I would sell high. None of our players at this point is indispensible save for Allen which at 19yo is progressing really well and would fit our timeline when we're competitive enough.

Having all our 1st round picks beginning 2019 will justify this direction.

I think our "current" overperformance really stems out on the fact that our player development staff as well as Atkinson are really doing wonders in that aspect.

Let's wait at having an opportunity to draft real studs and not lock ourselves up with C/D/E talent.

so the idea is to trade everyone and start building a team in 2019?

2019 is just a year away. I’m not suggesting an outright fire sale, more like trading the valuable pieces that we have for picks. Do you honestly think we already have a core moving forward? If you ask me, no one is untradeable for the right picks...

You cannot build any continuity by continuously dealing for picks and young players.

Are we seriously not going to expect the same developmental losses when that happens?

What core are we keeping if we trade everyone for picks? It only makes sense if the intent is to tank in 2019. At some point, we have to atleast show we developed and created our own nucleus.

We need to be careful not to outsmart ourselves here and botch any chemistry here.


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[TheBrooklynKidd]

Would you guys be interested in our first rounder and Zizic for Dinwiddie? We have one of the toughest schedules in the league remaining, Love is out for 2 months, and the team is obvious in real disarray since IT came back, so I really think it'll be a pick in the 16-19 range by the end of the year. Also Zizic (rookie and 23rd pick in 2016) areally hasn't gotten any minutes this year (just like Cedi) because Ty Lue is a moron and I would think he'd be able to better showcase his ability in another situation, similarly to Joe Harris who didn't get enough opportunities in Cleveland.

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No we’re not. The 25th pick and a back up to Jarrett Allen isn’t close to what we’re looking for.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

How is this a worthwhile deal? Beasley sucks, Arthur sucks. We didn’t develop Dinwiddie to toss him away for a lazy deal.

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Yea I’m not a fan of that deal. No reason to trade Dinwiddie unless it’s for a valuable 1st or a valuable prospect. However, I’d happily use Okafors expiring in a salary dump for a 1st.

[JoseRizal]

so the idea is to trade everyone and start building a team in 2019?

2019 is just a year away. I’m not suggesting an outright fire sale, more like trading the valuable pieces that we have for picks. Do you honestly think we already have a core moving forward? If you ask me, no one is untradeable for the right picks...

You cannot build any continuity by continuously dealing for picks and young players.

Are we seriously not going to expect the same developmental losses when that happens?

What core are we keeping if we trade everyone for picks? It only makes sense if the intent is to tank in 2019. At some point, we have to atleast show we developed and created our own nucleus.

We need to be careful not to outsmart ourselves here and botch any chemistry here.


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Again, the intention is not to trade everyone. It’s trading those whose value has already peaked. At the end of the day, we have to make a decision on who to keep among DLO, LeVert, RHJ and Dinwiddie. We cannot afford to keep them all considering the cap implications. I’d rather trade one or two of them for a lottery to mid-teen pick, and bank on our development team to do what they do best.

At this point, unless we get a stud via draft or trade, no one is in indispensible.

[MGrand15]

I get the reasoning behind trading Dinwiddie for a 1st but I don't like it. We develop a guy into a good player and before we see his ceiling, we flip him for a guy that might be a good player in 3-4 years. If it's a vet we trade or we're getting back a top 5 pick, okay I get it. But if we're getting something 11-24, those guys are huge gambles.

Selling RHJ and Dinwiddie cause we have to pay them in 1.5 years doesn't really make sense to me. We have no idea what the landscape of our team is going to look like.

[DusterBuster]

Woj reporting Zeller to Bucks for a 2nd rounder.

[skones]

DJ Wilson for Zeller/2nd? Vaughn for Zeller?

Close.

[brook]

Would you guys be interested in our first rounder and Zizic for Dinwiddie? We have one of the toughest schedules in the league remaining, Love is out for 2 months, and the team is obvious in real disarray since IT came back, so I really think it'll be a pick in the 16-19 range by the end of the year. Also Zizic (rookie and 23rd pick in 2016) areally hasn't gotten any minutes this year (just like Cedi) because Ty Lue is a moron and I would think he'd be able to better showcase his ability in another situation, similarly to Joe Harris who didn't get enough opportunities in Cleveland.

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[Keith Van Horn]

Ok, I know I'm the first person to hate on trading Dinwiddie. That said, here's something we'd probably need to consider, especially if there's a pick coming back as well.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd4pncnj

Add Mudiay to that deal


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[Paradise]

2019 is just a year away. I’m not suggesting an outright fire sale, more like trading the valuable pieces that we have for picks. Do you honestly think we already have a core moving forward? If you ask me, no one is untradeable for the right picks...

You cannot build any continuity by continuously dealing for picks and young players.

Are we seriously not going to expect the same developmental losses when that happens?

What core are we keeping if we trade everyone for picks? It only makes sense if the intent is to tank in 2019. At some point, we have to atleast show we developed and created our own nucleus.

We need to be careful not to outsmart ourselves here and botch any chemistry here.


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Again, the intention is not to trade everyone. It’s trading those whose value has already peaked. At the end of the day, we have to make a decision on who to keep among DLO, LeVert, RHJ and Dinwiddie. We cannot afford to keep them all considering the cap implications. I’d rather trade one or two of them for a lottery to mid-teen pick, and bank on our development team to do what they do best.

At this point, unless we get a stud via draft or trade, no one is in indispensible.

But what’s the point? Dinwiddie is already at a level that is beyond the talent range of the pick we’d get (unless it’s high). I can understand if there’s no guarantee he sustains his play but he’s 24. Buddy Hield was a Top 5 pick at the same age.

Like, I get it if the pick results in us being in the mix for guys like Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges, Jaren Jackson Jr, . If the deal puts us in range for low 20s...what’s the chances these guys all stay in the draft class and we come away with a really useful guy versus the probability we end up with a stash pick.

Example: The Nets were expected to take Hamidou Diallo has had stayed in the draft. He would’ve definitely been sitting in the G-League. Now, we get to the draft and we end up coming close to Radions Kurucs but he drops out. We end up looking at Pasceniks instead Jarrett Allen drops all the way to 22.

There’s likely no chance that happens again. You end up either with a complete project with upside or a low ceiling role player usually.


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[DarkXaero]

Winslow is a plus defensively and is 21 years old. the bigger question is his health. if Miami called us tomorrow offering Winslow and expiring contracts for Carroll I'd take that seriously.

also, its funny how fans of a team who once had Jason Kidd as its top player are prejudiced against guys who aren't knockdown shooters.

that being said, to do this trade we'd have to take back Wayne Ellington and an expiring around 1 mil. If this is the best deal we'd get for DMC, i'd do it, waive the incoming expiring salary, and immediately get Justice Winslow into the hands of the training team

Kidd played in a different era. Also, Winslow is nowhere near the talent that Kidd was.

[MrDollarBills]

If I were Marks, I would sell high. None of our players at this point is indispensible save for Allen which at 19yo is progressing really well and would fit our timeline when we're competitive enough.

Having all our 1st round picks beginning 2019 will justify this direction.

I think our "current" overperformance really stems out on the fact that our player development staff as well as Atkinson are really doing wonders in that aspect.

Let's wait at having an opportunity to draft real studs and not lock ourselves up with C/D/E talent.

so the idea is to trade everyone and start building a team in 2019?

2019 is just a year away. I’m not suggesting an outright fire sale, more like trading the valuable pieces that we have for picks. Do you honestly think we already have a core moving forward? If you ask me, no one is untradeable for the right picks...

i think we have a solid group of young players that need time to develop and grow.

unless you're snatching picks within the top 10, which would yield the most fruit, what is the point of this strategy? you're going to trade Dinwiddie or RHJ for the 18th pick in the 2018 draft? good luck with that

[MrDollarBills]

Winslow is a plus defensively and is 21 years old. the bigger question is his health. if Miami called us tomorrow offering Winslow and expiring contracts for Carroll I'd take that seriously.

also, its funny how fans of a team who once had Jason Kidd as its top player are prejudiced against guys who aren't knockdown shooters.

that being said, to do this trade we'd have to take back Wayne Ellington and an expiring around 1 mil. If this is the best deal we'd get for DMC, i'd do it, waive the incoming expiring salary, and immediately get Justice Winslow into the hands of the training team

Kidd played in a different era. Also, Winslow is nowhere near the talent that Kidd was.

my point is the prejudice against players that can't shoo threes in their early twenties. it's literally the reason why people want to trade RHJ now.