Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[Saberestar]

Will Barton 18 on 70% shooting, 2/3 from 3, 8 assists, a block and a steal. If we get a C in the draft, this might be the free agent that makes the most sense to look at if we like Booker at the 1. Whether we play him off the bench or next to Booker with Jackson at the 3 and Warren off the bench, doesn't matter. Give them all minutes...have him take those Ulis/Canaan/House/Daniels minutes.

I like that he can hit 3s and pass...versatile. He probably wouldn't cost much either. Averages 4 apg.

I like Barton, but he is not an impact player. He is OK, but I prefer Bradley or Doncic/Trae over him.

I think he would be great replacing Daniels as a backup SG, because Daniels is a great shooter but he is terrible at everything else, but I think he is gonna want to start (or big minutes) on his next team.

[Saberestar]

McDonough needs to advance some summer's work. We can take advantage of our picks/cap space right now with next season on mind.

The Pelicans have already signed Mirotic for next season, and they traded garbage for him.

Dinwiddie can be traded probably for a first (per Woj) and he is signed for next season.

Same for other players...

[m1chal]

Triano sucks 30th in Defensive Rating in his last 3 seasons and 29th in the 4th.

There's progress. Given enough time we should be elite defensively.

[NavLDO]

I know this isn't a 'Draft' Thread, but i just noticed how many teams have multiple 1st Rd picks this year; I wonder if some 'trade opportunities' might present themselves as they did in 2016.

Reason I ask is because from what I am seeing, that 'Top Tier' Group has expanded from 5 to, I'd say, 9 players, and since we are potentially 2 players away, I wonder if it might be advantageous to trade up a few spots from our 2nd, 1st Rd pick. For instance, right now, the Sixers own the 9th and 15th picks overall. The Hawks own the 22nd, 25th and 29th. The Clippers own the 13th/14th. And the Cavs own the 8th and the 24th.

Would you all, say we kept our 5th, and say the Heat slid back down to the 20th...be willing to move back to say, the 8th, if it meant we were able to draft 15th instead of 20th?

So maybe, it would be like us getting

Sexton and Carter

vs

Young and McCoy

I don't know...just a thought. Not saying I'm for it or against it, but thought it was an interesting scenario in case maybe ll our favorites are gone by 5, would Mcd pull that trigger or not.

Nope, i want NOTHING to do with Sexton. He will be a bust, you can quote me on that. He is no where near the top tier.

That's fine. My point wasn't really for those specific players; that was just one idea. He is listed in the top tier by most; that's fine if you personally don't like him...I didn't like Dunn as a Top Tier target a couple of years ago because he couldn't shoot...and look, he still can't shoot very well, but that doesn't mean he wasn't regarded as a Top Tier player...that's what I'm talking about...not anyone's "individual" Top Tier.

[Saberestar]

Not sure if this has been posted, it is from a couple of days ago...

After missing out on signing Greg Monroe, the Oklahoma City Thunder could target Alex Len of the Phoenix Suns in a trade for Alex Abrines.

Bobby Marks reported that while it would not be easy to part with Abrines, the 7-foot-1 player is someone worth targeting at the deadline (via ESPN):

“With a lack of depth among the frontcourt, Oklahoma City is in need of insurance in case Adams suffers an injury (he can also be prone to foul trouble). Len would need to greenlight a trade, something he would likely do for a chance to play on a Thunder team headed toward the playoffs … Only the Abrines salary would fit".

[NavLDO]

I know this isn't a 'Draft' Thread, but i just noticed how many teams have multiple 1st Rd picks this year; I wonder if some 'trade opportunities' might present themselves as they did in 2016.

Reason I ask is because from what I am seeing, that 'Top Tier' Group has expanded from 5 to, I'd say, 9 players, and since we are potentially 2 players away, I wonder if it might be advantageous to trade up a few spots from our 2nd, 1st Rd pick. For instance, right now, the Sixers own the 9th and 15th picks overall. The Hawks own the 22nd, 25th and 29th. The Clippers own the 13th/14th. And the Cavs own the 8th and the 24th.

Would you all, say we kept our 5th, and say the Heat slid back down to the 20th...be willing to move back to say, the 8th, if it meant we were able to draft 15th instead of 20th?

So maybe, it would be like us getting

Sexton and Carter

vs

Young and McCoy

I don't know...just a thought. Not saying I'm for it or against it, but thought it was an interesting scenario in case maybe ll our favorites are gone by 5, would Mcd pull that trigger or not.

The draft drops of at 6 and then it isnt even close. Right now I have Young rated around 3 or 4 in this draft and Sexton is at best for the Suns a mid teens pick. He fails at the single most important skill for a point guard and that is passing the ball. I am so sick and tired of Hero ball points that think they can win a game by themselves that it isnt even funny.

OK, well, that's your personal opinion; I believe, as most others do, that this Top Tier has expanded to include the likes of Young (which I assume you have added to the original pre-season 5), Sexton (even if you, nor Kerrsed, etc. like him personally), and Jaren Jackson have been added to the original Top Tier Five that everyone was raving about before the season started...Porter Jr., Bagley, Bamba, Doncic, and Ayton.

In fact, many sites have JJJ ahead of Bamba and/or Bagley, at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=marvin-bagley--miles-bridges--wendell-carter--jaren-jackson-jr--robert-williams

Then add in Carter and/or Knox...depending on the site, and you have a newly-defined 'Top Tier'.

Whether you appreciate this or not, doesn't mean it's not true. And I'm gathering that had Miles Bridges been a Freshman, he'd be in this Top Tier as well. His numbers certainly support it, as you can see.

If we continue down this road, and I can't conceivably believe that our Miami pick, now 17th (Yay!) will stay here, and will probably end up near 21 or 22, but say, the Bull's acquired NO pick, now 16th, will likely be in this area, and the Bulls may be 7th, or something, while we are 4th...

...AND, we keep with the Booker / JJ / Warren / ??? / ???

lineup??

Assuming a Lottery Ball fallout where every team stays where they are...

I'd be down for a 5th + 20th for a 7th + 15th, because I do think there is a difference between 15 and 20 to be had that may not be realized between 5 and 7 if needs, etc play out, since there's a chance that Miles Bridges might be there at 15, but certainly won't be at 20. And actually, I'd get to 15, and try to move up further by trading the MIL picks to ensure we could get Miles Bridges, and still get Bamba at 7.

Booker / JJ / Warren / Bridges / Bamba

or JJJ at 7th, if still there, and Carter for...

Booker / JJ / Warren / JJJ / Carter

Or do we go for a 'short but long' Center in Robert Williams??

IDK, but I think if we can get that 2nd pick closer, or actually INTO the lottery, we'd be better off.

[RedIndian]

As per Woj, Nets are looking to explore the market for Harris, Hawes and Dinwiddie for assets.

Says they'd want a 1st for Dinwiddie.

I'd give up the Miami pick or the Bucks pick for him. He'd be the ideal PG next to Booker. Great size, good IQ, shoots well, takes care of the ball and plays decent defense. Still only 24 and on a dirt cheap deal till 2019.

We should be able to lock him up on a Warren type in the long term as well.

[Saberestar]

As per Woj, Nets are looking to explore the market for Harris, Hawes and Dinwiddie for assets.

Says they'd want a 1st for Dinwiddie.

I'd give up the Miami pick or the Bucks pick for him. He'd be the ideal PG next to Booker. Great size, good IQ, shoots well, takes care of the ball and plays decent defense. Still only 24 and on a dirt cheap deal till 2019.

We should be able to lock him up on a Warren type in the long term as well.

Yeah, and he can start or coming from the bench. I don't care if we draft a PG next season, we need more solid players on this roster.

We have a lot of players on the roster that are not NBA players or they are "end of the bench players" at best. We can live with a couple of those, but not the half of the roster.

[BobbieL]

As per Woj, Nets are looking to explore the market for Harris, Hawes and Dinwiddie for assets.

Says they'd want a 1st for Dinwiddie.

I'd give up the Miami pick or the Bucks pick for him. He'd be the ideal PG next to Booker. Great size, good IQ, shoots well, takes care of the ball and plays decent defense. Still only 24 and on a dirt cheap deal till 2019.

We should be able to lock him up on a Warren type in the long term as well.

Yeah, and he can start or coming from the bench. I don't care if we draft a PG next season, we need more solid players on this roster.

We have a lot of players on the roster that are not NBA players or they are "end of the bench players" at best. We can live with a couple of those, but not the half of the roster.

Dinwiddie for the Bucks pick for sure. Possibly even the Heat pick. Because trading for Dinwiddie doesn't mean you still cannot draft Young or Doncic - actually gives you very good depth. Like you said - more GOOD players on the roster.

The Heat pick might be a lot but the Bucks pick and a future second - or Torontos second isn't too much

[BobbieL]

Not sure if this has been posted, it is from a couple of days ago...

After missing out on signing Greg Monroe, the Oklahoma City Thunder could target Alex Len of the Phoenix Suns in a trade for Alex Abrines.

Bobby Marks reported that while it would not be easy to part with Abrines, the 7-foot-1 player is someone worth targeting at the deadline (via ESPN):

“With a lack of depth among the frontcourt, Oklahoma City is in need of insurance in case Adams suffers an injury (he can also be prone to foul trouble). Len would need to greenlight a trade, something he would likely do for a chance to play on a Thunder team headed toward the playoffs … Only the Abrines salary would fit".

BWG mentioned Troy Daniels to the Thunder as a possibility to replace Roberson. Granted, they miss his defense.

Len/Daniels for Abrines/David JOhnson works in the cap machine. Suns kind of swap out the salary or Daniels for Abrines - but that's not much value for the Suns - probably would have to be Terence Ferguson coming back - a long term asset.

[King4Day]

Not sure if this has been posted, it is from a couple of days ago...

After missing out on signing Greg Monroe, the Oklahoma City Thunder could target Alex Len of the Phoenix Suns in a trade for Alex Abrines.

Bobby Marks reported that while it would not be easy to part with Abrines, the 7-foot-1 player is someone worth targeting at the deadline (via ESPN):

“With a lack of depth among the frontcourt, Oklahoma City is in need of insurance in case Adams suffers an injury (he can also be prone to foul trouble). Len would need to greenlight a trade, something he would likely do for a chance to play on a Thunder team headed toward the playoffs … Only the Abrines salary would fit".

Crazy that I never saw this. I would do it just for the sake of getting an asset for Len. If we make one move this deadline, I hope it's Len. That'll prevent us from giving him a bad contract this summer. I imagine the Thunder wouldn't be able to re-up him if they don't have his bird rights. So I'm not sure how interested they would really be.

[Baller1234a]

Anyone that interests you from the Celtics in exchange for Bender?

Smart for Bender?

[Qwigglez]

Anyone that interests you from the Celtics in exchange for Bender?

Smart for Bender?

Tatum, Brown, Kyrie. Any of them would do.

I don't want Smart. He shoots 40% when the Celtics have one of the deepest squads, he should at least be shooting 43-45%.

Rozier would be an interesting piece but not for any of our young guys.

[King4Day]

Anyone that interests you from the Celtics in exchange for Bender?

Smart for Bender?

Bender has show baby steps this year. Given he's under control, McD would be hard pressed to move him.
The issue with Smart, for us, is that he can't shoot and we're already a team of guys who can't shoot. Plus, we don't know what Smart will command this summer and it could set us back if we're forced to pay him a lot and can't fill in other needs (including adding more shooters).

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anyone that interests you from the Celtics in exchange for Bender?

Smart for Bender?

Na dude. Sure right now Smart is the better player and Bender is maddeningly inconsistent but I'll take the 20 year old PF with two more years on his rookie deal over locking myself in on paying Smart this summer. Personally I wouldn't trade anything for Smart other than a 2nd rounder and I'm sure the Celtics would want/get more than that elsewhere.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Suns have been too disappointing to watch, and even pay attention to this season. Has there been any realistic trade rumors from us recently? I haven’t seen anything.

[WeekapaugGroove]

For the first time in McD's tenure I truly expect no moves at the deadline. The only year without a move was that first season and even then there was some expectation they might grab a minor win now piece because they were playing well. This year he's already traded everything useful that's not on a rookie deal so I really don't expect a move. Most likely would be Daniels for basically nothing if some team is looking for a shooter and the Suns want to clear that $3M for next season (every little bit can matter). It's a shame Chandler and Dudley don't have any value because if they really do want to accelerate the timeline flipping them for expirings would be great but I really can't see any team wanting either guy.

[bwgood77]

Will Barton 18 on 70% shooting, 2/3 from 3, 8 assists, a block and a steal. If we get a C in the draft, this might be the free agent that makes the most sense to look at if we like Booker at the 1. Whether we play him off the bench or next to Booker with Jackson at the 3 and Warren off the bench, doesn't matter. Give them all minutes...have him take those Ulis/Canaan/House/Daniels minutes.

I like that he can hit 3s and pass...versatile. He probably wouldn't cost much either. Averages 4 apg.

I like Barton, but he is not an impact player. He is OK, but I prefer Bradley or Doncic/Trae over him.

I think he would be great replacing Daniels as a backup SG, because Daniels is a great shooter but he is terrible at everything else, but I think he is gonna want to start (or big minutes) on his next team.

Well of course I wouldn't go after him if we get Doncic or Trae (thus the reason I said if we get C in draft). I like Bradley but he's really regressed this year. The main thing with Bradley though, is I'm guessing he'd be double the cost of Barton...at least.

I think there is a pretty good chance we go after Bradley though given the McD connection if we don't draft a PG with our first pick.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Will Barton 18 on 70% shooting, 2/3 from 3, 8 assists, a block and a steal. If we get a C in the draft, this might be the free agent that makes the most sense to look at if we like Booker at the 1. Whether we play him off the bench or next to Booker with Jackson at the 3 and Warren off the bench, doesn't matter. Give them all minutes...have him take those Ulis/Canaan/House/Daniels minutes.

I like that he can hit 3s and pass...versatile. He probably wouldn't cost much either. Averages 4 apg.

I like Barton, but he is not an impact player. He is OK, but I prefer Bradley or Doncic/Trae over him.

I think he would be great replacing Daniels as a backup SG, because Daniels is a great shooter but he is terrible at everything else, but I think he is gonna want to start (or big minutes) on his next team.

Well of course I wouldn't go after him if we get Doncic or Trae (thus the reason I said if we get C in draft). I like Bradley but he's really regressed this year. The main thing with Bradley though, is I'm guessing he'd be double the cost of Barton...at least.

I think there is a pretty good chance we go after Bradley though given the McD connection if we don't draft a PG with our first pick.

We won't sign Bradley if the rumored asking price ($20 mil per??) exists anywhere in the market.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For the first time in McD's tenure I truly expect no moves at the deadline. The only year without a move was that first season and even then there was some expectation they might grab a minor win now piece because they were playing well. This year he's already traded everything useful that's not on a rookie deal so I really don't expect a move. Most likely would be Daniels for basically nothing if some team is looking for a shooter and the Suns want to clear that $3M for next season (every little bit can matter). It's a shame Chandler and Dudley don't have any value because if they really do want to accelerate the timeline flipping them for expirings would be great but I really can't see any team wanting either guy.

Yeah, Daniels is one possibility I see. I could see Len green lighting a deal if his agent informs him that anything more than the mid-level (about $9 mil per) is a dream.

I don't think we'll be willing to deal a first rounder. I see us trying to snag a young player on the cheap using only space or space + 2nd rounders. Hernangomez, Payton, Mudiay and Smart are only the beginning of what seems to me to be a fairly long list.