Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[BobbieL]

For the first time in McD's tenure I truly expect no moves at the deadline. The only year without a move was that first season and even then there was some expectation they might grab a minor win now piece because they were playing well. This year he's already traded everything useful that's not on a rookie deal so I really don't expect a move. Most likely would be Daniels for basically nothing if some team is looking for a shooter and the Suns want to clear that $3M for next season (every little bit can matter). It's a shame Chandler and Dudley don't have any value because if they really do want to accelerate the timeline flipping them for expirings would be great but I really can't see any team wanting either guy.

The Heat pick is now in the high 20's - last I checked 22. Almost to the point it is losing value in terms of being able to use it to move up in the draft. Granted, the Suns are looking at top 5 =- especially if Booker is out 10-14 days. I know he is out tonight v Lakers and probably tomorrow v Spurs. But the 22nd pick is probably not going to get you from 5 to 4.

So, to me that becomes a guy like Dinwiddie value now. I am not sure the 22nd pick in the draft can help the Suns more then a guy like Dinwiddie who will be going into his 4th year on a good contract. I am willing to move that Heat pick - maybe protected to 15 case Miami tanks for Spencer D

Other moves - Lowe in the below article mentions Toronto and shooters - I always think of Daniels as I said earlier

I agree there is zero value out here for Dudley or Chandler. I would think about Teletovic for Chandler just to clear 3m for this summer on the cap. Not sure if the Bucks still have interest but if they do.

Trading Daniels for nothing and Chandler for Teletovic clears 6m of cap space. All of the sudden with Len renounced and those two small moves, the Suns have about 28m of cap space. Get Dinwiddie that takes a little away but at least you have a PG in there with Booker and Knight as part of your rotation

Outside of the bigger move for Gordon - those would be my moves: 1) Daniels for an expiring 2) if the Bucks want, Chandler for Teletovic for cap space 3) Heat pickfor Dinwiddie


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22336760/zach-lowe-2018-nba-trade-deadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more

[Waylay13]

For the first time in McD's tenure I truly expect no moves at the deadline. The only year without a move was that first season and even then there was some expectation they might grab a minor win now piece because they were playing well. This year he's already traded everything useful that's not on a rookie deal so I really don't expect a move. Most likely would be Daniels for basically nothing if some team is looking for a shooter and the Suns want to clear that $3M for next season (every little bit can matter). It's a shame Chandler and Dudley don't have any value because if they really do want to accelerate the timeline flipping them for expirings would be great but I really can't see any team wanting either guy.

The Heat pick is now in the high 20's - last I checked 22. Almost to the point it is losing value in terms of being able to use it to move up in the draft. Granted, the Suns are looking at top 5 =- especially if Booker is out 10-14 days. I know he is out tonight v Lakers and probably tomorrow v Spurs. But the 22nd pick is probably not going to get you from 5 to 4.

So, to me that becomes a guy like Dinwiddie value now. I am not sure the 22nd pick in the draft can help the Suns more then a guy like Dinwiddie who will be going into his 4th year on a good contract. I am willing to move that Heat pick - maybe protected to 15 case Miami tanks for Spencer D

Other moves - Lowe in the below article mentions Toronto and shooters - I always think of Daniels as I said earlier

I agree there is zero value out here for Dudley or Chandler. I would think about Teletovic for Chandler just to clear 3m for this summer on the cap. Not sure if the Bucks still have interest but if they do.

Trading Daniels for nothing and Chandler for Teletovic clears 6m of cap space. All of the sudden with Len renounced and those two small moves, the Suns have about 28m of cap space. Get Dinwiddie that takes a little away but at least you have a PG in there with Booker and Knight as part of your rotation

Outside of the bigger move for Gordon - those would be my moves: 1) Daniels for an expiring 2) if the Bucks want, Chandler for Teletovic for cap space 3) Heat pickfor Dinwiddie


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22336760/zach-lowe-2018-nba-trade-deadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more

Miami has been on a losing streak of late; the pick is now 17th. (3 in 7 for the last 10) and the Bucks have been winning so their pick is now 22 (which we wouldnt get this year).

[BobbieL]

For the first time in McD's tenure I truly expect no moves at the deadline. The only year without a move was that first season and even then there was some expectation they might grab a minor win now piece because they were playing well. This year he's already traded everything useful that's not on a rookie deal so I really don't expect a move. Most likely would be Daniels for basically nothing if some team is looking for a shooter and the Suns want to clear that $3M for next season (every little bit can matter). It's a shame Chandler and Dudley don't have any value because if they really do want to accelerate the timeline flipping them for expirings would be great but I really can't see any team wanting either guy.

The Heat pick is now in the high 20's - last I checked 22. Almost to the point it is losing value in terms of being able to use it to move up in the draft. Granted, the Suns are looking at top 5 =- especially if Booker is out 10-14 days. I know he is out tonight v Lakers and probably tomorrow v Spurs. But the 22nd pick is probably not going to get you from 5 to 4.

So, to me that becomes a guy like Dinwiddie value now. I am not sure the 22nd pick in the draft can help the Suns more then a guy like Dinwiddie who will be going into his 4th year on a good contract. I am willing to move that Heat pick - maybe protected to 15 case Miami tanks for Spencer D

Other moves - Lowe in the below article mentions Toronto and shooters - I always think of Daniels as I said earlier

I agree there is zero value out here for Dudley or Chandler. I would think about Teletovic for Chandler just to clear 3m for this summer on the cap. Not sure if the Bucks still have interest but if they do.

Trading Daniels for nothing and Chandler for Teletovic clears 6m of cap space. All of the sudden with Len renounced and those two small moves, the Suns have about 28m of cap space. Get Dinwiddie that takes a little away but at least you have a PG in there with Booker and Knight as part of your rotation

Outside of the bigger move for Gordon - those would be my moves: 1) Daniels for an expiring 2) if the Bucks want, Chandler for Teletovic for cap space 3) Heat pickfor Dinwiddie


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22336760/zach-lowe-2018-nba-trade-deadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more

Miami has been on a losing streak of late; the pick is now 17th. (3 in 7 for the last 10) and the Bucks have been winning so their pick is now 22 (which we wouldnt get this year).

thanks for update
for Dinwiddie - I think I would still move it - lottery protected - the Heat pick

Suns do not need two more players on rookie contracts - one pick in the mid to upper teens. Between that and second rounders - they need to move those as they just don't have the space or quite frankly, get any younger.

[gaspar]

Dinwiddie is not worth a 1st round pick. That's crazy talk.

[ATTL]

I might do the bucks pick for dinwiddle, more likely a couple of our later 2nds.

[BobbieL]

Dinwiddie is not worth a 1st round pick. That's crazy talk.

Suns have the youngest team in the league... they do not need to get younger.

Who on the list would you prefer from 15 down to Spencer Dinwiddie ? I looked - cannot find anybody. I don't want to waste picks like Sarver did for cash but if this team is going to compete next year, the year after - they need to get better mature players.

Maybe the Heat pick is too much but the pick from the Bucks - to me - isn't. And the Suns aren't getting it this year as it is

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

[ATTL]

The Heat pick is now in the high 20's - last I checked 22. Almost to the point it is losing value in terms of being able to use it to move up in the draft. Granted, the Suns are looking at top 5 =- especially if Booker is out 10-14 days. I know he is out tonight v Lakers and probably tomorrow v Spurs. But the 22nd pick is probably not going to get you from 5 to 4.

So, to me that becomes a guy like Dinwiddie value now. I am not sure the 22nd pick in the draft can help the Suns more then a guy like Dinwiddie who will be going into his 4th year on a good contract. I am willing to move that Heat pick - maybe protected to 15 case Miami tanks for Spencer D

Other moves - Lowe in the below article mentions Toronto and shooters - I always think of Daniels as I said earlier

I agree there is zero value out here for Dudley or Chandler. I would think about Teletovic for Chandler just to clear 3m for this summer on the cap. Not sure if the Bucks still have interest but if they do.

Trading Daniels for nothing and Chandler for Teletovic clears 6m of cap space. All of the sudden with Len renounced and those two small moves, the Suns have about 28m of cap space. Get Dinwiddie that takes a little away but at least you have a PG in there with Booker and Knight as part of your rotation

Outside of the bigger move for Gordon - those would be my moves: 1) Daniels for an expiring 2) if the Bucks want, Chandler for Teletovic for cap space 3) Heat pickfor Dinwiddie


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22336760/zach-lowe-2018-nba-trade-deadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more

Miami has been on a losing streak of late; the pick is now 17th. (3 in 7 for the last 10) and the Bucks have been winning so their pick is now 22 (which we wouldnt get this year).

thanks for update
for Dinwiddie - I think I would still move it - lottery protected - the Heat pick

Suns do not need two more players on rookie contracts - one pick in the mid to upper teens. Between that and second rounders - they need to move those as they just don't have the space or quite frankly, get any younger.

I'd prefer to hang onto the heat pick. Theyve lost 4 in a row, 3-7 in last 10. We could use that pick to move up a spot or two if we don't land where we need to be.

I'd be more open to trading that bucks pick or a couple 2nds, maybe both.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't hate Dinwiddle but I'd probably just keep the pick.

Even if they eventually plan on trading that Miami pick because they are running out of spots to play young guys I would keep if for now. I wouldn't spend my quarter on a quarter item now when there's a possibility this summer that I want to combine that quarter with some other change to get myself a dollar item.

[Waylay13]

I'd prefer to hang onto the heat pick. Theyve lost 4 in a row, 3-7 in last 10. We could use that pick to move up a spot or two if we don't land where we need to be.

I'd be more open to trading that bucks pick or a couple 2nds, maybe both.

I agree with you. I really think that are plan for right now is to hold fast unless something with minimal long term impact comes up. Everything is going to be based on what happens in the draft. If we draft a center Ayton, Bamba or JJJ then I think we are going to be looking for a point in trade free agency. if we draft Doncic or Young I think we will look for a back up big with the later pick and try to find a young big in free agency. if we blow some of our cap right now we are likely going to be left out on a free agent signing this summer.

[gaspar]

Dinwiddie is not worth a 1st round pick. That's crazy talk.

Suns have the youngest team in the league... they do not need to get younger.

Who on the list would you prefer from 15 down to Spencer Dinwiddie ? I looked - cannot find anybody. I don't want to waste picks like Sarver did for cash but if this team is going to compete next year, the year after - they need to get better mature players.

Maybe the Heat pick is too much but the pick from the Bucks - to me - isn't. And the Suns aren't getting it this year as it is

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

Sorry buddy, but that's a dumb argument. The Lakers pick we traded for Knight didn't convey for 4 years and look what happened. The Bucks aren't exactly a model NBA franchise. They don't really have a plan. Things can change really quick in the NBA. Giannis could get injured or demand a trade... Why the rush to trade that pick? To get Spencer **** Dinwiddie?

Dinwiddie is the PJ Tucker of point guards. He's a backup masquerading as a starter on a bad team. He's a career 31% 3-point shooter who had a hot start this season and is shooting worse and worse with every month (Oct - 46%, Nov - 36%, Dec - 33%, Jan - 28%, Feb - 25%). He's just a guy. If we trade for him, in a couple months we will be in the same spot - looking for a starting caliber PG. Except we will have less assets because we traded some of them for Dinwiddie.

[Qwigglez]

I was going over stats, and man, I don't even think I would trade Warren straight up for Gordon. I know Gordon is more entertaining, and likely has a higher ceiling, but he might be getting paid roughly $25 million a year, while Warren is getting $11 million, but is doing it on much better efficiently. Plus, Warren is putting up the same amount of steals, close to the same amount of free throws per game but on better percentages, and is turning the ball over. Like I said, much more efficient. The only reason I would want AG is because he can shoot threes at a decent clip, and again, the highlight factor. Plus, he is more of a 4, and we could potentially have Josh Jackson starting at the 3, instead of at the 2.

Anyway, what is everyone's thoughts on trading for AG? What would you be willing to offer to trade for him, and what kind of contract would you be comfortable with him getting?

[Qwigglez]

I'd prefer to hang onto the heat pick. Theyve lost 4 in a row, 3-7 in last 10. We could use that pick to move up a spot or two if we don't land where we need to be.

I'd be more open to trading that bucks pick or a couple 2nds, maybe both.

I agree with you. I really think that are plan for right now is to hold fast unless something with minimal long term impact comes up. Everything is going to be based on what happens in the draft. If we draft a center Ayton, Bamba or JJJ then I think we are going to be looking for a point in trade free agency. if we draft Doncic or Young I think we will look for a back up big with the later pick and try to find a young big in free agency. if we blow some of our cap right now we are likely going to be left out on a free agent signing this summer.

Would really like for the Heat to do the exact opposite of what they did this time around last year. I don't want to wish for injuries on anyone, but if they could just finish maybe 13th-14th that is McD's sweet spot in the draft.

[NBA Fiend]

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[gaspar]

OKC don't have any picks to trade.

[jcsunsfan]

Dinwiddie is not worth a 1st round pick. That's crazy talk.

Suns have the youngest team in the league... they do not need to get younger.

Who on the list would you prefer from 15 down to Spencer Dinwiddie ? I looked - cannot find anybody. I don't want to waste picks like Sarver did for cash but if this team is going to compete next year, the year after - they need to get better mature players.

Maybe the Heat pick is too much but the pick from the Bucks - to me - isn't. And the Suns aren't getting it this year as it is

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

Sorry buddy, but that's a dumb argument. The Lakers pick we traded for Knight didn't convey for 4 years and look what happened. The Bucks aren't exactly a model NBA franchise. They don't really have a plan. Things can change really quick in the NBA. Giannis could get injured or demand a trade... Why the rush to trade that pick? To get Spencer **** Dinwiddie?

OK. You have a point there about the Milwaukee pick. We never really know how it might turn out even if it does not convey this year. There is a good case just for keeping it. I have a higher estimation of Dinwiddie than you do though. He would be a worthy pick up. I would not mind giving up multiple second round picks and maybe even a player or two or three. Even if he cannot start, he would be a key contributor--more valuable to us than Ulis, Canaan, House, Peters, or even Reed. He would still be an upgrade.

[BobbieL]

Dinwiddie is not worth a 1st round pick. That's crazy talk.

Suns have the youngest team in the league... they do not need to get younger.

Who on the list would you prefer from 15 down to Spencer Dinwiddie ? I looked - cannot find anybody. I don't want to waste picks like Sarver did for cash but if this team is going to compete next year, the year after - they need to get better mature players.

Maybe the Heat pick is too much but the pick from the Bucks - to me - isn't. And the Suns aren't getting it this year as it is

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

Sorry buddy, but that's a dumb argument. The Lakers pick we traded for Knight didn't convey for 4 years and look what happened. The Bucks aren't exactly a model NBA franchise. They don't really have a plan. Things can change really quick in the NBA. Giannis could get injured or demand a trade... Why the rush to trade that pick? To get Spencer **** Dinwiddie?

Dinwiddie is the PJ Tucker of point guards. He's a backup masquerading as a starter on a bad team. He's a career 31% 3-point shooter who had a hot start this season and is shooting worse and worse with every month (Oct - 46%, Nov - 36%, Dec - 33%, Jan - 28%, Feb - 25%). He's just a guy. If we trade for him, in a couple months we will be in the same spot - looking for a starting caliber PG. Except we will have less assets because we traded some of them for Dinwiddie.

You know - that's a good argument all around. Don't burn through draft picks; don't over value a guy like Dinwiddie just to do something. Okay, upon further reflection and many fine arguments by you all - I have removed the Heat pick for Dinwiddie The Toronto second rounder and future Bucks second rounder

I will stick to my other two plans though: If you can find a market for Chandler that gets you some cap relief this summer, it might be worth it. And moving Daniels for cap relief this summer. Granted, reading Shelbourne/Woj - they are reporting the lakers might be waiting for 2019 to go max on a player. If the Suns burn through cap this summer - they might only have Chandler/Dudley off next summer - which is 23m bucks.

[Qwigglez]

Didn't see that D'Lo was available. I would trade both Heat picks and the Bucks pick and possibly a protected 1st from us to get him. Not sure what it would take, but that is likely my best offer to get him.

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[Kerrsed]

Didn't see that D'Lo was available. I would trade both Heat picks and the Bucks pick and possibly a protected 1st from us to get him. Not sure what it would take, but that is likely my best offer to get him.

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[charley barkles]

Didn't see that D'Lo was available. I would trade both Heat picks and the Bucks pick and possibly a protected 1st from us to get him. Not sure what it would take, but that is likely my best offer to get him.

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Is he actually available or are they just throwing out a hypothetical?

[Djedefre]

The wisest thing now is to wait the outcome of the draft. I like D'Lo for sure, but i'm a bit hesitant to pull the trigger now, before i'm sure Trae is definitely out of reach.