Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[Zonkerbl]

Pathetic and weak. Will not take responsibility for the things he has said. Dirtbag.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372513-white-house-spokesman-trump-has-not-focused-on-the-stock-market

[dckingsfan]

Trump himself is evidence that things have gotten worse. He is prima facie evidence of worsening race relations.

Agree to disagree... and we mostly agree.

[dckingsfan]

yeah but where did any of this get worse under trump? I'm not seeing any increased signs of racial profiling anywhere besides enforcing immigration policy and those people targeted are MY PEOPLE and they are NOT american citizens...so even though i want to find a way to get more people that look like me here in the states, i want to do it responsibly so the people already here can continue to see their wages rise with inflation.

Where did it get better? Did Trump come up with a fairer, less complex tax structure? No - he is complicit.

yeah but not against minorities. In fact his tax plan is "pro" poor people. and if a higher percentage of poor people are minority then his tax plan is pro minority as it doubles the standard deduction from $12 to $24 K and increased the child income credit.

You are correct if you were to look at just that little piece of the legislation. When you look at the overall package - not even close.

[Zonkerbl]

Trump himself is evidence that things have gotten worse. He is prima facie evidence of worsening race relations.

Agree to disagree... and we mostly agree.

Really? The guy who ran on a platform of blatant xenophobia and tacitly endorsed racism and sexual assault? The guy who had white supremacist Steve Bannon in his cabinet?

[Doug_Blew]

just wondering where is James Comey's outcry today regardings' D's memo? Where is Wrey and Rosenstein? Why are they not beside themselves right now like they were last week?

especially given that the minority memo actually does reveal sources and methods according to multiple sources. But the FBI is a bunch of republicans! And on trumps side!

what a joke.

Top officials aren't happy about either memo being release. They've declared their statement on it.

You are right about the FBI being a bunch of republicans...but probably not on Trumps side. Most people aren't.

[Kanyewest]

People seem to have nostalgia for the past. Even if it's George W. Bush who has a 60+% approval rating.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/george-w-bush-favorable-poll/index.html

[stilldropin20]

Where did it get better? Did Trump come up with a fairer, less complex tax structure? No - he is complicit.

yeah but not against minorities. In fact his tax plan is "pro" poor people. and if a higher percentage of poor people are minority then his tax plan is pro minority as it doubles the standard deduction from $12 to $24 K and increased the child income credit.

You are correct if you were to look at just that little piece of the legislation. When you look at the overall package - not even close.

I mean the only people hurt by the tax plans are those people that make a decent living and live in an expensive city with and they own a home with high real estate taxes and also pay other high taxes that they no longer can fully write off. But those caps are only on new mortgages not old mortgages everybody else is grandfathered in and the cap is like $750,000 and upwards of a million depending on specifics.

So if anyone was hurt it's the people making three $400,000 a year and up.

Being that the entire context of this conversation we're having right now is in terms of racism, I'm just not saying anything racist about that tax policy.

The huge corporate rate deductions just make us competitive with world. Hardly racist.

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[Wizardspride]

just wondering where is James Comey's outcry today regardings' D's memo? Where is Wrey and Rosenstein? Why are they not beside themselves right now like they were last week?

especially given that the minority memo actually does reveal sources and methods according to multiple sources. But the FBI is a bunch of republicans! And on trumps side!

what a joke.

I assume the difference is that that Dem memo is in the custody of the DOJ being vetted.

[stilldropin20]

just wondering where is James Comey's outcry today regardings' D's memo? Where is Wrey and Rosenstein? Why are they not beside themselves right now like they were last week?

especially given that the minority memo actually does reveal sources and methods according to multiple sources. But the FBI is a bunch of republicans! And on trumps side!

what a joke.

I assume the difference is that that Dem memo is in the custody of the DOJ being vetted.

The memos went through the exact same process

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[gtn130]

just wondering where is James Comey's outcry today regardings' D's memo? Where is Wrey and Rosenstein? Why are they not beside themselves right now like they were last week?

especially given that the minority memo actually does reveal sources and methods according to multiple sources. But the FBI is a bunch of republicans! And on trumps side!

what a joke.

I assume the difference is that that Dem memo is in the custody of the DOJ being vetted.

Now I'm no FISA expert here, but perhaps one of the key differentiators is that the Dem memo is designed to correct all the blatant lies in the Nunes memo and also serves to protect our institutions?

I'll defer to Nate though as he has a long and cherished history of FISA hawkery

[Zonkerbl]

I'm just going to throw this out there Popper-style:

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/03/biggest-nunes-memo-revelations-have-little-to-do-with-its-content/

"The term “deep state” does not mean “Democrats and Never-Trumpers” as Republican pundits would have you believe, nor does the term refer to any kind of weird, unverifiable conspiracy theory. The deep state is in fact not a conspiracy theory at all, but simply a concept used in political analysis for discussing the undeniable fact that unelected power structures exist in America, and that they tend to form alliances and work together in some sense."

The website is just a little bit kooky but also thought provoking.

[Wizardspride]

just wondering where is James Comey's outcry today regardings' D's memo? Where is Wrey and Rosenstein? Why are they not beside themselves right now like they were last week?

especially given that the minority memo actually does reveal sources and methods according to multiple sources. But the FBI is a bunch of republicans! And on trumps side!

what a joke.

I assume the difference is that that Dem memo is in the custody of the DOJ being vetted.

The memos went through the exact same process

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Nope.

The dem memo is being thoroughly vetted in terms of revealing intelligence sources...and thats why you haven't heard complaints.

[GhostofChenier]

just wondering where is James Comey's outcry today regardings' D's memo? Where is Wrey and Rosenstein? Why are they not beside themselves right now like they were last week?

especially given that the minority memo actually does reveal sources and methods according to multiple sources. But the FBI is a bunch of republicans! And on trumps side!

what a joke.

I assume the difference is that that Dem memo is in the custody of the DOJ being vetted.

Now I'm no FISA expert here, but perhaps one of the key differentiators is that the Dem memo is designed to correct all the blatant lies in the Nunes memo and also serves to protect our institutions?

I'll defer to Nate though as he has a long and cherished history of FISA hawkery

Antifa boy made his twitter private lolllllllll. Wanna me to put your worse stuff lolll.

[gtn130]

I assume the difference is that that Dem memo is in the custody of the DOJ being vetted.

Now I'm no FISA expert here, but perhaps one of the key differentiators is that the Dem memo is designed to correct all the blatant lies in the Nunes memo and also serves to protect our institutions?

I'll defer to Nate though as he has a long and cherished history of FISA hawkery

Antifa boy made his twitter private lolllllllll. Wanna me to put your worse stuff lolll.

Odds this is SD20?

Also, why am I being harassed lol

[cammac]

Trump himself is evidence that things have gotten worse. He is prima facie evidence of worsening race relations.

Agree to disagree... and we mostly agree.

Why the Canadian system works is because it manages cost drivers!
#1 All hospitals are in the public domain.
#2 Prices of drugs are negotiated and are considerably lower than in the USA. (note still could be lower)
#3 Doctors have a certain amount that they can make for every visit.
#4 Very few litigation cases
#5 Efficiency in billing.
#6 EMS is Provincial & considered a free service.
#7 Employees, Employers, Professionals and Self Employed all pay into system.
Is it perfect no!
But what would my triple bypass + installation of ICD have cost in USA????

[Zonkerbl]

Now I'm no FISA expert here, but perhaps one of the key differentiators is that the Dem memo is designed to correct all the blatant lies in the Nunes memo and also serves to protect our institutions?

I'll defer to Nate though as he has a long and cherished history of FISA hawkery

Antifa boy made his twitter private lolllllllll. Wanna me to put your worse stuff lolll.

Odds this is SD20?

Also, why am I being harassed lol

stalker alert!

[cammac]

I find it funny and yet a total indictment on Donald Trump his lawyers don't want him to testify. He is basically a moronic buffoon that has no reality of the truth or facts. Mueller would emulsify him because he and his team never make a move without being totally prepared. Plus really all Mueller needs to do is play on his fragile ego to get him to testify by suggesting Trump isn't intelligent enough to testify.

[dckingsfan]

Trump himself is evidence that things have gotten worse. He is prima facie evidence of worsening race relations.

Agree to disagree... and we mostly agree.

Really? The guy who ran on a platform of blatant xenophobia and tacitly endorsed racism and sexual assault? The guy who had white supremacist Steve Bannon in his cabinet?

Really, you know trends - you are saying this isn't/can't be a short-term correction?

I think Trump is a aberration. You don't and I respect your view.

I just think this is like looking at a longer term trend of GDP and saying we are going off a cliff if we hit a bad year and not looking the last 60 years.

[montestewart]

Now I'm no FISA expert here, but perhaps one of the key differentiators is that the Dem memo is designed to correct all the blatant lies in the Nunes memo and also serves to protect our institutions?

I'll defer to Nate though as he has a long and cherished history of FISA hawkery

Antifa boy made his twitter private lolllllllll. Wanna me to put your worse stuff lolll.

Odds this is SD20?

Also, why am I being harassed lol

Most disturbing to me is the number times the letter l is used to spell lol. Two lols, fourteen ls. Too many ls.

We've had a few instances of investigative reporting on alter egos here. Sometimes amusing, sometimes not. He found your twitter account. It was there to find. Happens. Ghost, try not to get all creepy about it, or I'll have to take my twitter private too.

[dckingsfan]

[This is troubling, the black median wealth will be zero in 35 years. You should like this article since it discusses carve outs and predatory lending.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/09/11/median-wealth-of-black-and-latino-families-could-hit-zero-before-the-centurys-end/#42cba44050f6

Violent agreement again. And another example where both parties are equally complicit.

Have you seen your party agree to get rid of all deductions? Are you pissed off about this? The charitable deduction(s), various real estate deductions and interest deductions are regressive. The higher they raise the tax rates while leaving deductions in place the worse they make the situation. But all the Ds do is whine about the lowered rates - in this area - they and their base just don't get it.

BTW, it is even worse on the local level. Who does a parking ticket hurt worse?

predatory lending!!! dont get me started! Keep in mind im in real estate. Here's what i can absolutely assure you in regards to predatory lending:

From 1998-2007 People mostly did real estate with people they know or from their hood. and same with Mortgages. Those predators are of the same race at least 80-90% of the time in chicago. Minorities set up shop in minority neighborhoods.

Nowadays this stuff is virtual and done online and way more regulated. so much less of this, but back in the day? hah!! This one is an actual joke. It was almost strictly Minorities taking advantage of minorities!!!! and I can personally tell you that Juan Tamayo of chicago then the suburbs of chicago was the biggest predator in all of chicago. and preyed upon his own people. FBI got a hold of him. Wife left him. lost everything. and he made at least 100 million from 2004-2007 alone.

And i will add that it was also white people taking advantage of poor white people just the same with predatory lending. Middle eastern taking advantage of middle eastern. Etc. I work with everyone. and my best friend owned a title company that closed thousands of deals per year from 2001-2008.

and its at the local level in the local sub prime office where all the predatory tactics took place because people would qualify for better rates and those people would be "sold" into taking higher rates for a break on fees. Costing them tens of thousands or more. Big banks new better. they knew they couldn't get away with this as standard practice. Not the year 2000 where watch dogs were in place.

again, predatory lending is by a large a phenomenon where poor people that dont understand how it works and are too "loyal" to shop a product get preyed upon by their own "friends."

You make a pretty good point here - predatory lending has more than one nuance.