Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[IceManBK1]

Way the hell out there thought. I truly believe Marks views DLo as part of the core, but I'd gauge Philly's interest, and see if they'd offer the LAL/Sac pick plus their own pick & the Bayless contract dump for DLo. That currently projects to #9 & #15, but I'd guess #15 ends up a couple spots higher. DLo would be a great fit there, and great Fultz insurance. It's tough to make that level of trade within the conference though.

I guess i'll have to be a Philly fan. Man Dlo, Simmons, Embiid will be a crazy trio and fun to watch. Might become a perennial playoff team in the east.

[IceManBK1]

wonder if we can trade caroll+2nd rounder for Nikola Vucejic and Mareese Speights..we get 2 stretch 4s for the price of one. We can keep RHJ, Okafor..everybodyelse.
Dinweedie/Dlo/RHJ/Vucejic/Allen
Lavert/Crabbe/Okafor off the bench

[MrDollarBills]

trading everyone and their mother for picks in the teens and 2nd rounders all but will insure that this will be a 10-12 year long rebuild.

Well, we're in year 3 of a rebuild, 3 years where we obviously haven't had our own picks. I think 10 to 12 years is an extreme exaggeration, but realistically looking at things, if Marks feels the need to take a step backwards to take a few forward, this very well maybe a 5 or 6 year rebuild, maybe even 7 total. Which honestly isn't that crazy unless you're a team who hits on 1 if not 2 generational level talents first or 2nd try, especially again under these specific circumstances of losing 3 unprotected picks in a row, who all look like they're going to be really good players, plus if we did the same trade down Ainge did, picking up a 4th lotto pick.

Marks' contract is for four years. if he starts taking steps back he'd better hope an extension comes with it.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.chatsports.com/los-angeles-lakers/a/lakers-trade-rumors-brook-lopez-buyout-randle-not-teams-long-term-plans-more-37305
i'm intrigued to bring Lopez back if he gets buyout lol..sign him with the Lin DPE. Put Allen at the 4 next to Lopez at Center.

[MrDollarBills]

trading everyone and their mother for picks in the teens and 2nd rounders all but will insure that this will be a 10-12 year long rebuild.

Not really, all we're doing is hoping for a player with a higher upside than what we currently have, which at this point probably has the potential of a treadmill team going by this current core. We simply need more if we're going to compete and be contenders, and Marks has been doing this without a first round pick.

well, we can hope I guess. I don't think this group of players is even remotely near their potential.

[MrDollarBills]

Those were their respective weights st the draft combine. It's absolutely clear by simply looking at them that Gordon is bigger than RHJ by more than just a few lbs.

Plus, a small difference in physical measurements is never going to separate a good player from a great one. It's always about current skill and work ethic. Blake Griffin has always been effective despite T-Rex arms. A lot of players who aren't all that skilled can jump out of the jump and are longer than Blake; clearly measurements aren't the totality of a player's potential and immediate value.

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i agree. and i believe across the board RHJ trumps Aaron Gordon other then maybe offensive rebounding and 3 point shooting.

i think RHJ has a much higher ceiling as well

i dont really see this star potential for gordon. he scores on high volume on an awful team and has some highlight reel stuff. hes young, i get it, but so is rhj

Fair enough.

Evaluating potential is probably one of the most difficult things people do regarding NBA players, so I can't knock your analysis and critique of him.

I'm very high on what our staff can do with him. I'm not sure how other teams would do.

I personally believe that if Gordon and RHJ were to swap players, the Magic would be even worse since they'd lose a guy who can actually keep the defense honest and spread the floor.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what management decides.



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You'd be willing to give Gordon a max contract? because i'm pretty sure the reason the Magic are shopping him is because they aren't trying to do that.

[treiz]

trading everyone and their mother for picks in the teens and 2nd rounders all but will insure that this will be a 10-12 year long rebuild.

Not really, all we're doing is hoping for a player with a higher upside than what we currently have, which at this point probably has the potential of a treadmill team going by this current core. We simply need more if we're going to compete and be contenders, and Marks has been doing this without a first round pick.

well, we can hope I guess. I don't think this group of players is even remotely near their potential.

I agree, but none of them are potential world beaters either. The best one who might achieve that is Russell or Levert and right now there’s a lot more questions than answers regarding them.

I love RHJ, but he’s probably best suited as the 3rd best player on a winning team.

[MrDollarBills]

Not really, all we're doing is hoping for a player with a higher upside than what we currently have, which at this point probably has the potential of a treadmill team going by this current core. We simply need more if we're going to compete and be contenders, and Marks has been doing this without a first round pick.

well, we can hope I guess. I don't think this group of players is even remotely near their potential.

I agree, but none of them are potential world beaters either. The best one who might achieve that is Russell or Levert and right now there’s a lot more questions than answers regarding them.

I love RHJ, but he’s probably best suited as the 3rd best player on a winning team.

define world beater. are we talking potential top 10 players, or near or at all star level?

[vincecarter4pres]

i agree. and i believe across the board RHJ trumps Aaron Gordon other then maybe offensive rebounding and 3 point shooting.

i think RHJ has a much higher ceiling as well

i dont really see this star potential for gordon. he scores on high volume on an awful team and has some highlight reel stuff. hes young, i get it, but so is rhj

Fair enough.

Evaluating potential is probably one of the most difficult things people do regarding NBA players, so I can't knock your analysis and critique of him.

I'm very high on what our staff can do with him. I'm not sure how other teams would do.

I personally believe that if Gordon and RHJ were to swap players, the Magic would be even worse since they'd lose a guy who can actually keep the defense honest and spread the floor.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what management decides.



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You'd be willing to give Gordon a max contract? because i'm pretty sure the reason the Magic are shopping him is because they aren't trying to do that.

I think it makes a decent amount of sense for us to max him in the summer and see if Orlando matches. But I don't think it's smart to give up high quality players and assets for him, to then just turn around and max him.

I lean more to your side and Prok's. I don't see a ton in Gordon right now, at least tangible stuff. But I do see a guy, similar to RHJ, who came in super raw just getting by on his physical attributes who is turning himself into an actual skilled player year after year a little more.

So I'd be good with Marks taking the gamble on him with a max offer sheet, he does still have some very interesting upside, he's like poor man's Blake, just not trading our guys for him and then still having to turn around and pay him.

[MrDollarBills]

Fair enough.

Evaluating potential is probably one of the most difficult things people do regarding NBA players, so I can't knock your analysis and critique of him.

I'm very high on what our staff can do with him. I'm not sure how other teams would do.

I personally believe that if Gordon and RHJ were to swap players, the Magic would be even worse since they'd lose a guy who can actually keep the defense honest and spread the floor.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what management decides.



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You'd be willing to give Gordon a max contract? because i'm pretty sure the reason the Magic are shopping him is because they aren't trying to do that.

I think it makes a decent amount of sense for us to max him in the summer and see if Orlando matches. But I don't think it's smart to give up high quality players and assets for him, to then just turn around and max him.

I lean more to your side and Prok's. I don't see a ton in Gordon right now, at least tangible stuff. But I do see a guy, similar to RHJ, who came in super raw just getting by on his physical attributes who is turning himself into an actual skilled player year after year a little more.

So I'd be good with Marks taking the gamble on him with a max offer sheet, he does still have some very interesting upside, he's like poor man's Blake, just not trading our guys for him and then still having to turn around and pay him.

I think he's a good player. I think I'd rather retain RHJ who is a two way guy for a much friendlier contract. Gordon's going to get maxed offers because he's a "sexy" name and his game is highlight worthy. i don't think its a good idea either to send out assets only to have to max out a guy on a team that really has no business maxing anyone out at this stage of the game outside of top tier free agents....who aren't coming here.

[vincecarter4pres]

trading everyone and their mother for picks in the teens and 2nd rounders all but will insure that this will be a 10-12 year long rebuild.

Well, we're in year 3 of a rebuild, 3 years where we obviously haven't had our own picks. I think 10 to 12 years is an extreme exaggeration, but realistically looking at things, if Marks feels the need to take a step backwards to take a few forward, this very well maybe a 5 or 6 year rebuild, maybe even 7 total. Which honestly isn't that crazy unless you're a team who hits on 1 if not 2 generational level talents first or 2nd try, especially again under these specific circumstances of losing 3 unprotected picks in a row, who all look like they're going to be really good players, plus if we did the same trade down Ainge did, picking up a 4th lotto pick.

Marks' contract is for four years. if he starts taking steps back he'd better hope an extension comes with it.

But again, next year is the first we'll have our own pick again. I guess it just depends how they view this team going forward and how much worse it makes us subtracting pieces for picks and how that impacts development of the remaining guys.

Maybe he's looking at it as, trade Dinwiddie now for the highest pick possible. Trade Harris and Carroll for the highest pick possible. Trade RHJ for the highest pick possible on draft night. Move up as high as possible once or twice.

Go forward with Russell, LeVert, Allen, a couple rookies and a bunch of scrubs like Shumpert or Faried, etc. If the tank is chugging along, roll with it. If we look like a playoff team at the deadline, make a solidifying move.

Who knows?

[Paradise]

trading everyone and their mother for picks in the teens and 2nd rounders all but will insure that this will be a 10-12 year long rebuild.

Well, we're in year 3 of a rebuild, 3 years where we obviously haven't had our own picks. I think 10 to 12 years is an extreme exaggeration, but realistically looking at things, if Marks feels the need to take a step backwards to take a few forward, this very well maybe a 5 or 6 year rebuild, maybe even 7 total. Which honestly isn't that crazy unless you're a team who hits on 1 if not 2 generational level talents first or 2nd try, especially again under these specific circumstances of losing 3 unprotected picks in a row, who all look like they're going to be really good players, plus if we did the same trade down Ainge did, picking up a 4th lotto pick.

This isn’t equating drafting the next Wiggins, Parker instead of the next Towns, KP, Embiid. Milwaukee’s entire franchise is built around a guy that was taken 15th. Not the guy they lost 60+ games for.

I have 100% trust in our scouting but I don’t believe you make your franchise any better by rebuilding over and over again. Ask Orlando, Phoenix how is that working despite having a talented star. Even GS didn’t need to do that.

[treiz]

well, we can hope I guess. I don't think this group of players is even remotely near their potential.

I agree, but none of them are potential world beaters either. The best one who might achieve that is Russell or Levert and right now there’s a lot more questions than answers regarding them.

I love RHJ, but he’s probably best suited as the 3rd best player on a winning team.

define world beater. are we talking potential top 10 players, or near or at all star level?

Potential top 10 player.

To win in this league you need at least one of them. And if we can acquire a potential one (along with a burn of coaching) whilst giving up say RHJ. I think you make that deal 100 times out of a 100. It could back fire don’t get me wrong, but that’s what every team needs to make a deep playoff run.

[MrDollarBills]

I agree, but none of them are potential world beaters either. The best one who might achieve that is Russell or Levert and right now there’s a lot more questions than answers regarding them.

I love RHJ, but he’s probably best suited as the 3rd best player on a winning team.

define world beater. are we talking potential top 10 players, or near or at all star level?

Potential top 10 player.

To win in this league you need at least one of them. And if we can acquire a potential one (along with a burn of coaching) whilst giving up say RHJ. I think you make that deal 100 times out of a 100. It could back fire don’t get me wrong, but that’s what every team needs to make a deep playoff run.

If we're going to have a strategy where we're going to keep tanking and having fire sales to get picks with having the prayer of finding a top 10 pick, it won't end well. that strategy never works.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think people comparing him to Blake Griffin are off their rocker. He can put a highlight reel. He's nowhere as good as Griffin was in the post, the transition or the outside shot. He's nowhere near consistent. If you're trading Rondae, it better be for a longterm upgrade, no a 2.0 pharmacy valued version.

I'm just saying poor man's. You know I feel Blake is incredibly underrated on here and Gordon is just meh.
Maybe homeless man's is more accurate?

[IceManBK1]

Marcin Gortat would be a nice fit over there..IMO he's a great pick and roll Big..it's auto assist when you pass to him rolling to the basket. That's how john wall gets all his assists from.

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rather Caroll for Vucejic than winslow..we got RHJ, can just slide RHJ to SF if we get Vucejic. Vucejic gives us more size at PF(7 fter) and rebing(9.3)stretch the floor out to the 3pt line(34.3%)

[TheNetsFan]

Way the hell out there thought. I truly believe Marks views DLo as part of the core, but I'd gauge Philly's interest, and see if they'd offer the LAL/Sac pick plus their own pick & the Bayless contract dump for DLo. That currently projects to #9 & #15, but I'd guess #15 ends up a couple spots higher. DLo would be a great fit there, and great Fultz insurance. It's tough to make that level of trade within the conference though.

I guess i'll have to be a Philly fan. Man Dlo, Simmons, Embiid will be a crazy trio and fun to watch. Might become a perennial playoff team in the east.

Plus Saric, Fultz and Lebron.

[vincecarter4pres]

trading everyone and their mother for picks in the teens and 2nd rounders all but will insure that this will be a 10-12 year long rebuild.

Well, we're in year 3 of a rebuild, 3 years where we obviously haven't had our own picks. I think 10 to 12 years is an extreme exaggeration, but realistically looking at things, if Marks feels the need to take a step backwards to take a few forward, this very well maybe a 5 or 6 year rebuild, maybe even 7 total. Which honestly isn't that crazy unless you're a team who hits on 1 if not 2 generational level talents first or 2nd try, especially again under these specific circumstances of losing 3 unprotected picks in a row, who all look like they're going to be really good players, plus if we did the same trade down Ainge did, picking up a 4th lotto pick.

This isn’t equating drafting the next Wiggins, Parker instead of the next Towns, KP, Embiid. Milwaukee’s entire franchise is built around a guy that was taken 15th. Not the guy they lost 60+ games for.

I have 100% trust in our scouting but I don’t believe you make your franchise any better by rebuilding over and over again. Ask Orlando, Phoenix how is that working despite having a talented star. Even GS didn’t need to do that.

I get that there are franchise cornerstone players and franchise changing players who go late, but it's definitely more the outlier then the standard.

But my point isn't necessarily to have to have a high pick, but especially if we're not going to wind up top 10, the more shots Marks has to hit on a later pick, the better. And GSW is still built around the 7th overall pick, the 11th and the 2nd overall pick, along with one real late guy and a ton of added role players through trade and free agency.


Look at all the actual franchise guys and then the near franchise guys(we'll exclude real young unestablished guys):

Kyrie - 1st
Gordon Hayward - 9th
Lebron - 1st
Blake - 1st
Curry - 7th
KD - 2nd
Klay - 11th
Harden - 3rd
CP3 - 4th
Oladipo - 2nd
Greak Freak - 15th
Jimmy Butler - 30th
Karl-Anthony Towns - 1st
Anthony Davis - 1st
Cousins - 5th
Westbrook - 4th
Paul George - 10th
Embiid - 3rd
Lillard - 6xth
McCollum - 10th
LMA - 2nd
Kawhi - 15th
DeRozan - 9th
Wall - 1st
Beal - 3rd

That's 4 guys out of the current 25 franchise and near-franchise guys outside the top 10.
5 of them between 9 and 11. 2 others outside the top 5 but higher than 9th.
15 in the top 5 picks and only 3 of those outside the top 3 picks.

You can find really good players, straight All Stars outside the top 10 picks, hell the top 15. You can even find a few franchise guys there. But the odds are definitely not in your favor.