Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

I was strongly in favor of trading the Brooklyn pick for Kemba earlier. Now, I'd probably still do it but I wouldn't take back Batum. I suspect what's broken between LBJ and Gilbert doesn't get put back together. You're talking about two people who are incapable of taking any responsibility for their own choices.

If there is a deal for Kemba AND Batum the Brooklyn pick shouldn't come into play. Batum's contract makes him a rather large negative Imo. Though he may actually help some how could Gilbert be expected to pay repeater taxes on his contract going forward, especially if the GSW's win it all as expected. I'm not sure I would even add the Cavs first tbh.

Exactly.

Yeah but you know we ain't getting Kemba without giving up the pick and taking on Batums **** contract if we're sending lesser players back.
I wouldn't do it,there's plenty of stop gap ops

[jbk1234]

If there is a deal for Kemba AND Batum the Brooklyn pick shouldn't come into play. Batum's contract makes him a rather large negative Imo. Though he may actually help some how could Gilbert be expected to pay repeater taxes on his contract going forward, especially if the GSW's win it all as expected. I'm not sure I would even add the Cavs first tbh.

Exactly.

Yeah but you know we ain't getting Kemba without giving up the pick and taking on Batums **** contract if we're sending lesser players back.
I wouldn't do it,there's plenty of stop gap ops

Don't confuse Charlotte's ask with our offer.

[Stillwater]

Exactly.

Yeah but you know we ain't getting Kemba without giving up the pick and taking on Batums **** contract if we're sending lesser players back.
I wouldn't do it,there's plenty of stop gap ops

Don't confuse Charlotte's ask with our offer.

What's the offer you think they would accept?
I don't think Gilbert is trading the pick for Kemba at all to be honest,but I also don't think MJ trades Kemba without getting it unless we sent KLove

[jbk1234]

Yeah but you know we ain't getting Kemba without giving up the pick and taking on Batums **** contract if we're sending lesser players back.
I wouldn't do it,there's plenty of stop gap ops

Don't confuse Charlotte's ask with our offer.

What's the offer you think they would accept?
I don't think Gilbert is trading the pick for Kemba at all to be honest,but I also don't think MJ trades Kemba without getting it unless we sent KLove

I think there's zero chance Gilbert is going to pay Batum.

[Stillwater]

Don't confuse Charlotte's ask with our offer.

What's the offer you think they would accept?
I don't think Gilbert is trading the pick for Kemba at all to be honest,but I also don't think MJ trades Kemba without getting it unless we sent KLove

I think there's zero chance Gilbert is going to pay Batum.

Yep his numbers are down his contract is high and we're already in the lux.
Evans,Dedmon, Williams maybe Payton should be easier to get

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7016600
Simmons having a breakout game showing out.lets get him.
Cavs give 2018 first and Miami 2nd

[sc8581]

Thompson, JR, Crowder, Thomas, Frye, Brooklyn pick and your pick to Charlotte for Walker, Batum and Howard

Dwight/Zizic
Love/Green
Bron/Korver
Batum/Wade
Kemba/Rose/Calderon

Not a fan of either team just want to see the Warriors get beat.

[Stillwater]

Thompson, JR, Crowder, Thomas, Frye, Brooklyn pick and your pick to Charlotte for Walker, Batum and Howard

Dwight/Zizic
Love/Green
Bron/Korver
Batum/Wade
Kemba/Rose/Calderon

Not a fan of either team just want to see the Warriors get beat.

Neither Charlotte nor anyone else are getting both firsts without finding a way to give us another 1st, doesn't work is not allowed.
This trade would bury us in tax hell along with DH not much use outside 5 feet and Batums inflated contract along with substandard results ,no thanks.

[BeesWax]

Yeah but you know we ain't getting Kemba without giving up the pick and taking on Batums **** contract if we're sending lesser players back.
I wouldn't do it,there's plenty of stop gap ops

Don't confuse Charlotte's ask with our offer.

What's the offer you think they would accept?
I don't think Gilbert is trading the pick for Kemba at all to be honest,but I also don't think MJ trades Kemba without getting it unless we sent KLove

MJ won't want Love either. If the team trades Kemba they are starting a rebuild. The pick is the only asset the Cars have worth trading Kemba for right now. I don't see an offer the Hornets will accept that the Cavs would as well right now. Hornets don't want to take on terrible contracts just for the Brooklyn pick and the Cars would want to get rid of some of their garbage in any deal that moves Dwight or Batum.

[Trailbreaker]

Can we do a do-over and pick Kyrie Irving over LeBron James and make believe that LeBron’s no trade clause doesn’t exist? It feels like we had a 2003-04 Lakers situation going on and instead of picking Bryant, we picked O’Neal.

[Stillwater]

Don't confuse Charlotte's ask with our offer.

What's the offer you think they would accept?
I don't think Gilbert is trading the pick for Kemba at all to be honest,but I also don't think MJ trades Kemba without getting it unless we sent KLove

MJ won't want Love either. If the team trades Kemba they are starting a rebuild. The pick is the only asset the Cars have worth trading Kemba for right now. I don't see an offer the Hornets will accept that the Cavs would as well right now. Hornets don't want to take on terrible contracts just for the Brooklyn pick and the Cars would want to get rid of some of their garbage in any deal that moves Dwight or Batum.

Yeah probably not,but Love being hurt and no Kemba helps Charlotte rebuild immediately.
Not doing anything means stating in mediocrity right?
I would not take back Batum so if another team not 45 million into the repeater tax wants Kemba and Batums c, and isn't stingy with their lottery pick more power to you.

[sc8581]

Thompson, JR, Crowder, Thomas, Frye, Brooklyn pick and your pick to Charlotte for Walker, Batum and Howard

Dwight/Zizic
Love/Green
Bron/Korver
Batum/Wade
Kemba/Rose/Calderon

Not a fan of either team just want to see the Warriors get beat.

Neither Charlotte nor anyone else are getting both firsts without finding a way to give us another 1st, doesn't work is not allowed.
This trade would bury us in tax hell along with DH not much use outside 5 feet and Batums inflated contract along with substandard results ,no thanks.

Dwight would be for defense and rebounding, Batum has been playing very well of late. This deal would give you a very good chance for a ring this year and could convince LeBron to stay.

[BeesWax]

What's the offer you think they would accept?
I don't think Gilbert is trading the pick for Kemba at all to be honest,but I also don't think MJ trades Kemba without getting it unless we sent KLove

MJ won't want Love either. If the team trades Kemba they are starting a rebuild. The pick is the only asset the Cars have worth trading Kemba for right now. I don't see an offer the Hornets will accept that the Cavs would as well right now. Hornets don't want to take on terrible contracts just for the Brooklyn pick and the Cars would want to get rid of some of their garbage in any deal that moves Dwight or Batum.

Yeah probably not,but Love being hurt and no Kemba helps Charlotte rebuild immediately.
Not doing anything means stating in mediocrity right?
I would not take back Batum so if another team not 45 million into the repeater tax wants Kemba and Batums c, and isn't stingy with their lottery pick more power to you.

Love does nothing but eat money for Charlotte so I would rather stand with Kemba then move him for another player who won't be of any use. The goal of the Hornets is not to gift the Cavs a better chance to beat the teams better than them and keep LeBron. There needs to be a long term look and Clevland only has one valuable long term piece.

[Stillwater]

MJ won't want Love either. If the team trades Kemba they are starting a rebuild. The pick is the only asset the Cars have worth trading Kemba for right now. I don't see an offer the Hornets will accept that the Cavs would as well right now. Hornets don't want to take on terrible contracts just for the Brooklyn pick and the Cars would want to get rid of some of their garbage in any deal that moves Dwight or Batum.

Yeah probably not,but Love being hurt and no Kemba helps Charlotte rebuild immediately.
Not doing anything means stating in mediocrity right?
I would not take back Batum so if another team not 45 million into the repeater tax wants Kemba and Batums c, and isn't stingy with their lottery pick more power to you.

Love does nothing but eat money for Charlotte so I would rather stand with Kemba then move him for another player who won't be of any use. The goal of the Hornets is not to gift the Cavs a better chance to beat the teams better than them and keep LeBron. There needs to be a long term look and Clevland only has one valuable long term piece.

If moving Kemba means total rebuild , then yep you are correct. Love is far from just added salary,if it helps you get a high draft pick this year and allows you to hit the reset and roll with Monk at the pg position, unless you don't see that as a viable option. I am pretty convinced you won't trade Walker without the Nets pick included, but getting out of Batums contract esp if you got back Love and Isaiah who you coulkd probably resign for less than he thinks he is worth might be enough to make it happen for Charlotte, not sure it's enough for CLE to do it though without replacing Love's production elsewhere in the next 24 hrs.
At the end of it, I think the entire transfer of these players and assets is dead already.

[Stillwater]

Thompson, JR, Crowder, Thomas, Frye, Brooklyn pick and your pick to Charlotte for Walker, Batum and Howard

Dwight/Zizic
Love/Green
Bron/Korver
Batum/Wade
Kemba/Rose/Calderon

Not a fan of either team just want to see the Warriors get beat.

Neither Charlotte nor anyone else are getting both firsts without finding a way to give us another 1st, doesn't work is not allowed.
This trade would bury us in tax hell along with DH not much use outside 5 feet and Batums inflated contract along with substandard results ,no thanks.

Dwight would be for defense and rebounding, Batum has been playing very well of late. This deal would give you a very good chance for a ring this year and could convince LeBron to stay.

I'm not sold DH would provide enough overall to warrant it.

[BeesWax]

Yeah probably not,but Love being hurt and no Kemba helps Charlotte rebuild immediately.
Not doing anything means stating in mediocrity right?
I would not take back Batum so if another team not 45 million into the repeater tax wants Kemba and Batums c, and isn't stingy with their lottery pick more power to you.

Love does nothing but eat money for Charlotte so I would rather stand with Kemba then move him for another player who won't be of any use. The goal of the Hornets is not to gift the Cavs a better chance to beat the teams better than them and keep LeBron. There needs to be a long term look and Clevland only has one valuable long term piece.

If moving Kemba means total rebuild , then yep you are correct. Love is far from just added salary,if it helps you get a high draft pick this year and allows you to hit the reset and roll with Monk at the pg position, unless you don't see that as a viable option. I am pretty convinced you won't trade Walker without the Nets pick included, but getting out of Batums contract esp if you got back Love and Isaiah who you coulkd probably resign for less than he thinks he is worth might be enough to make it happen for Charlotte, not sure it's enough for CLE to do it though without replacing Love's production elsewhere in the next 24 hrs.
At the end of it, I think the entire transfer of these players and assets is dead already.

Love and IT have very little value because it doesn't change the spot we are in now. Why would we move Kemba to tread water at this point. If you move Kemba it has to be to get usable rebuilding assets and this isn't it. I agree if the Cavs won't use the pick then the deal is a non starter IMO because it is the only asset they have. Now them trading for Williams or something for matchup purposes with Boston and GS could be something to look at.

[Dupp]

I’m happy to go all In whatever hornets deal. If it means next two years are net like no future years I don’t care for one more run

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7017881
Cavs send Nets the Cavs 2018 first lottery protected and the 2020 Miami 2nd.

[jbk1234]

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[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7018272
2020 Miami 2nd out
Memphis might get better offers given Williams is off the market, but Zizic and a 2nd might be enough for a Evans rental. I wouldn't give up our first unless they absorb It3 or a Jose Rose package instead of Zizic