WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[YouthMovement]

i’m totally cool with this

[Bklyn&company]

Ok.. move on time... next trade... trade everyone!

Really wonder how KP feels about this though? "This is a business"?

[NY 567]

They keep him when his value is sky high, insane per 36 production at the end of his rookie year, only 22, dirt cheap contract. Then they don't play him all year, and move him for peanuts when his value is at an all time low. They should have moved O'Quinn, who has value, and showcased Hernangomez for the rest of this year, and traded him in the offseason. Lmfao at this **** franchise. We're always going to suck. KP will be gone as soon as he can get out of this circus.

[shtolky]

You never addressed my post. Running away from discussions and posting tweets doesn't prove anything.

I responded to you. Show me which post are you referring to and I will gladly respond.

Dude is still going on about this.

You have no idea what maximizing assets means, do you?

This is not the same case as the other players you mentioned at all. Nearly everyone here acknowledges what Willy is.

The only hilarious thing is you schilling for this trade and then pretending that you're not.

I think I would know my own thought process better than you would. I'm not schilling for anything. I'm being logical and realistic, something you know nothing about. People like you who constantly overreact to things like this, minor deals involving mediocre players will never get old to me. You'd have thought we just dealt away a some crazy talented asset for nothing. Tell me then, what would you have considered to be an acceptable package in return?

I don't overreact to deals. You got the wrong guy there, buddy. I've never overrated mediocre Knicks prospects or downright scrubs like Mardy Collins and Tony Wroten over the years as others have. This isn't about that.

1. You don't trade Willy Hernangomez, who is 23 years old, on a team going nowhere. We are 'rebuilding', aren't we? Do you know many rebuilding teams trading 23 year olds and keeping veterans? Especially ones on team-friendly contracts.

2. Willy was worth more than 2 useless 2nd round picks, which have little value in the league. A late first or a young raw prospect would have been a much better return than 2 2nds which will potentially end up in useless trades for Elfrid Payton or used to draft Andy Rautins and Eric Chenowith.

3. Willy could have gained playing time with all the recent injuries and been inserted into the tanking lineup, padded his stats, and gained some additional value so that he could be packaged in a larger deal this summer.

We did not maximize Hernangomez's value. Even that small value that it is - it was not maximized. That's a failure by the front office. Willy should not have been the first to go. Not even close.

Fair points. I still disagree.

1. I agree you don't trade a 23 year old on a rebuilding team IF you think that player can be part of the rebuild. Obviously. However, it's clear we didn't think going forward he was a player that would provide significant minutes. Personally, I feel WHG is a dime a dozen player that was always going to be relegated to a bench role, 7th, 8th man if that. That's my personal opinion and it's why I am not broken up by the deal. Also, as to keeping the vets, the deadline is tomorrow. We can re-visit this, but almost all of our vets are on short term deals and won't be here in a year or two.

2. Again, we obviously agree to disagree. That's fine. As I said, I don't love the deal, but I don't hate it. Willy was never going to get a first. There are players around the league much better than Willy who are having a tough time commanding a first. I don't see how 2nd rounders are useless. I am not going to go back 30 years as you pointed out, but there have been MANY 2nd rounders this decade who have thrived. Yes, again, obviously firsts are better, but I am surprised we got two seconds for a player like WHG. Clearly a late first would have been better but there was just no way, in a seller's market, that we were getting a first for WHG.

3. Sure, this is true. I was at the game last night and was confused as to why Hornacek put him in at garbage time. For whatever reason, the organization soured on him and feel he's not worth the development. I think that had he played, he would have been exposed. I don't think his value would have risen to the point where he nets us a 1st rounder or a good young player.

Even if I conceded with you that we didn't maximize his trade value (I am not saying I am), the trade is a minor one. I can't see how much more value would could have extracted from WHG. You said there was small value, and we didn't maximize it. I see this as a minor move that doesn't warrant the hyperbole.

[Phish Tank]

Sark and I have addressed this a thousand times. Our entire point was that his value wasn't enough to even get the conversation goink. And here we are.

His value was never enough to get it going so it was a moot point yes. But there were posters that wouldn't have even offered it to the Cavs. I'm just saying homegrown over-infatuation than anything

I wouldn't have just because it's such a joke offer that they either

1. Hang up
2. Stay on the line and cleanse us of assets



This trade is meh. If we can turn around and get a nicer piece by attaching some of these smaller pieces maybe it's for the best in the long haul. From my perspective, we're behind the 8-ball and played our hand poorly.

If Willy just stayed quiet, we wouldn't have shipped him out

[Knicksfan1992]

Here goes our fan base once again overrating one of our players. Willy just wasn't very good. Last year was fool's gold. Similar to what Shump and Fields did in their first years. He simply overachieved.

He is a terrible defender, which basically negates his skills on the other end of the floor. And yes, big men that can't spread the floor and play no defense aren't going to fetch a lot of value.

God some of you guys live in a fantasy land. There's no way to build a player's value if he sucks every time he's out on the floor. He was given a few opportunities this year and looked terrible. If you're a good player, you should be ready to be called upon whenever you're given the chance.

i didn't think he was good either, but he was viewed higher than 2 near useless 2nd rounders. why not do willy and chicago's 2nd rounder for monk? they're not using him. maybe he'd have a better time here next to KP

Well we gave up 2 2nd rounders to get him and I wouldn't say Willy's value has changed dramatically since draft night (possibly our fault to be fair). On the Monk front, I'm guessing Charlotte is planning on trading Kemba and is going to give Monk some more time to prove himself before giving up on him...

[Knicks_Fan2]

Read on Twitter

I'll say it again this is not a bad trade at all.

Anyone actually freaking out about it (fine to prefer to keep) has mentally completely overvalued bigs. It's going to be a bloodbath for these types of bigs in FA and guys at or near the minimum who are quality will be dime a dozen.

[Greenie]

Welp

smh our boy is gone greenie.

They probably getting rid of Dwight this year too.

Willy about to ball out

[Marty McFly]

i’m totally cool with this

name doesn't check out.

[Knicks_Fan2]

They keep him when his value is sky high, insane per 36 production at the end of his rookie year, only 22, dirt cheap contract. Then they don't play him all year, and move him for peanuts when his value is at an all time low. They should have moved O'Quinn, who has value, and showcased Hernangomez for the rest of this year, and traded him in the offseason. Lmfao at this **** franchise. We're always going to suck. KP will be gone as soon as he can get out of this circus.

his value was never sky high.

[Mecca]

Sark and I have addressed this a thousand times. Our entire point was that his value wasn't enough to even get the conversation goink. And here we are.

His value was never enough to get it going so it was a moot point yes. But there were posters that wouldn't have even offered it to the Cavs. I'm just saying homegrown over-infatuation than anything

I wouldn't have just because it's such a joke offer that they either

1. Hang up
2. Stay on the line and cleanse us of assets



This trade is meh. If we can turn around and get a nicer piece by attaching some of these smaller pieces maybe it's for the best in the long haul. From my perspective, we're behind the 8-ball and played our hand poorly.

See, you actually had the fortitude to understood that the trade offer would've been a joke. I was speaking towards posters that preferred Willy to trading for Kyrie.

[frothbrain]

Willy is trash in today's NBA. Doesn't play defense and can't shoot the 3.

[ibraheim718]

This should be an 8 page thread. I think y'all are extra emotional because of last night's injury.

[IllmaticHandler]

Foolio you still mad that 2010 bodied you in the college thread. Stay down

you know i am not mad...stop it... How is it a body if i Was throwing bows. You just a hater of me prob and was glad to see that. I do see you gettin aired out here thoe. Soft ass Olsen twins mofo talking about I was only 17...

Yeah you still mad. Dude got you going haywire

Im haywire but I am always like that. there is no difference. Sit your Disney channel ass...Coping pleas cause you liked a player. FOH..

[newyorker4ever]

People wanted 1st round picks.

2nd round picks are useless. They are thrown around the league like candy. And as I mentioned earlier, there's a reason for that. Having an abundance of them isn't something to brag about.

This trade sucks all around. WHG not being a good defender has nothing to do with this trade not being bad.

M.Gasol
Dray Green
K.Middleton
M.Ginobili
D.Jordan
P.Milsap
G.Dragic
I.Thomas
Willy
W.Barton
N.Jokic
P.Beverley
H.Whiteside
Danny Green
J.Crowder
A.Crabbe
J.Clarkson
P.Mills
Lou Williams
T.Ariza
M.Gortat
K.Korver
M.Ellis
C.Parsons
JEFF HORNACEK
R.Lewis
S.Jackson
Doc Rivers
M.Redd
T.Kukoc
C.Boozer
D.Rodman
Mark Price

Alright i'm getting tired but i definitely don't agree that 2nd round picks are useless....

That's a good list of players over the last 30 years. Thank you for the info.

Now list me all the great mid to late first round picks of the last 30 years.

You said 2nd round picks are useless and i CLEARLY just proved that they aren't useless like you say they are. That is all...over and out.

[StrawberryLove]

Wild thing is that the Knicks were just valued at $3.6 Billion...but us Knick fans sure don't feel like $3 Billion....we feel like heavy college debt and a 30K/year job that makes you pay too much for health insurance and doesn't even match your 401k

[Tron Carter]

His value was never enough to get it going so it was a moot point yes. But there were posters that wouldn't have even offered it to the Cavs. I'm just saying homegrown over-infatuation than anything

I wouldn't have just because it's such a joke offer that they either

1. Hang up
2. Stay on the line and cleanse us of assets



This trade is meh. If we can turn around and get a nicer piece by attaching some of these smaller pieces maybe it's for the best in the long haul. From my perspective, we're behind the 8-ball and played our hand poorly.

If Willy just stayed quiet, we wouldn't have shipped him out

That’s funny because our corny ass starting center can never stfu on social media. Orginization chose Jeff over Willy it’s very obvious.

[BBALLER4FR]

Perry gonna fail here just like every other GM before him. F*ck this franchise.

[Tron Carter]

Willy is trash in today's NBA. Doesn't play defense and can't shoot the 3.

We do have Kanter filling that role at 18 mill a year already so I feel you.

[frothbrain]

Perry ain't nothing but a PR move. WHG is trash but he's not 2021 2nd round pick trash.