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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

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What is Aaron Gordon worth?

$25-29m a year ($29m is max)
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$20-25m a year
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10%
$18-20m a year
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19%
$15-18m a year
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$12-15m a year
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Less than $12m a year
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7%
 
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#481 » by BobbieL » Wed Feb 7, 2018 6:54 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Not saying a chriss deal is out of the question but kyler is typically full of ****.


I posted it because it was Suns news - but I agree - the next time he is right will be the first time in a long time

I just don't see a contract worth taking - they are not moving Kuzma

I won't want Clarkson - that's just wasted cap space; Deng for Knight - that's stupid

I know I mentioned Dudley/Chriss for Brewer/Clarkson but that's selling low on Chriss and taking on longer term debt in Clarkson

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#482 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Feb 7, 2018 6:59 pm

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That makes no sense if we do move him there is no way we move him in the division unless its for Ball or Kuzma nothing else on their roster makes any sense for the Suns and the Lakers arent making those other moves.


Randle?

Word is the Lakers were re-orienting their focus to 2019 free agency. Perhaps we get off a few dollars this summer in order to get them off a few dollars the following summer:

Clarkson, Randle, KCP
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Chandler, Dudley, Chriss

I've always liked Julius Randle.


Yes, this makes zero sense when they have too many PFs. Rumor is they had decided they were not so eager to trade Randle any more, and the main reason they wanted to get rid of him (other than to shed salary) was because they had Kuzma and Nance, Jr.

So with 3 PFs, where would that leave Chriss?

The only possibility would be us taking Randle back, because they would need to pay him and it would cut some cost, particularly for next year.

I don't see it and don't really like it. I guess if we wanted to play Randle at C with Bender at PF...or they might work well together. Also kind of opens up draft options, like taking Porter to play 4 or Bagley to play 4/5 or JJJ even to play stretch 4...if Randle was at 5.

But, it's Kyler, so it probably means nothing.

Despite everything, I think they like Chriss, but I guess there are signs that point to maybe them souring on him...Dudley has never spoken highly of him, and someone said something about Dudley's reaction to something Chriss may have said when going in at the end of the game...and then the weight issues, issues with staff, arguing with refs, etc.

But I would kind of hate giving up on such raw athletic talent like that. I wonder, if there is anything to it, what other teams are involved?

Edit: But I think it would just be Chriss for Randle...not all those other guys....zero chance they want Dudley and Chandler, unless they are completely giving up on 2018 free agency. It helps them for 2019 but hurts us, so no thanks on our part as well.

But hopefully we just hang on to Chriss....too much there to give up on.


In general, I agree, and would not trade Chriss for Randle straight up - mostly because of the difference in their contracts and because I think Chriss has a marginally higher ceiling. I also wouldn't take on Clarkson for Dudley, because of the dollars. I would only do the trade as I proposed it. But you have raised valid reasons why the Lakers would not.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#483 » by NTB » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:00 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#484 » by Qwigglez » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:01 pm

While I don't see us trading Chriss it doesn't hurt to see what kind of value he is. I wouldn't say it's completely false as I could see him being moved only for the right price, though I'm not sure what that is.
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Post#485 » by NTB » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:05 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#486 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:11 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:In general, I agree, and would not trade Chriss for Randle straight up - mostly because of the difference in their contracts and because I think Chriss has a marginally higher ceiling. I also wouldn't take on Clarkson for Dudley, because of the dollars. I would only do the trade as I proposed it. But you have raised valid reasons why the Lakers would not.


Not me...that would just be killing the 2019 cap space we could have with a big Clarkson contract on top of Knight's, plus whatever contract we gave to Randle. No thanks.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#487 » by AtheJ415 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:13 pm

Chriss and Bender have taken a lot of crap from fans, but they were always high upside projects, and they have shown improvement, and their ability to play both the 4 and 5 spots makes them valuable. Despite the lumps, they are on track. Chriss needs to stop fouling so much but he has shown he can shoot from 3 and protect the rim, which with his athleticism gives him high upside. His decisionmaking needs to get better. Bender is going to be a piece of our core. I actually don't think there's much risk with him. The skills and size are there and he does have a high BBIQ, he just needs to be more consistently aggressive, which is a teachable thing, just like reigning in an over-aggressive player (Tony Parker initially with SAS, Jackson just this season with us).
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#488 » by LukasBMW » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:15 pm

Randle sure kicked Chriss' ass last night, but I still have no interest in that trade.

I'm really sick of Chiss' negative body language and slouching, but hopefully he will mature.

I swear to god, if he played with the intensity of Jackson, he'd already be an allstar. Roids would do wonders for him.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#489 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:16 pm

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No, not even really a Suns fan. Previously wrote about the Pacers and Hornets...but this was mostly in high school...so quite an early start...impressive, but it's still somewhat hard to listen to him on Locked on Suns because he hasn't been around the Suns long..no history and jumps all over rumors, saying what the Suns should do, etc, when he's only been around them/covering them for like 10 months........and him and Brendan regurgitate the same stuff we talk about in a somewhat boring way on LockedOnSuns...never any new insight we haven't already beat to death.

Obviously very eager, and seems to work hard at it, but not a lot of real history/experience.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#490 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:18 pm

BobbieL wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Not saying a chriss deal is out of the question but kyler is typically full of ****.


I posted it because it was Suns news - but I agree - the next time he is right will be the first time in a long time

I just don't see a contract worth taking - they are not moving Kuzma

I won't want Clarkson - that's just wasted cap space; Deng for Knight - that's stupid

I know I mentioned Dudley/Chriss for Brewer/Clarkson but that's selling low on Chriss and taking on longer term debt in Clarkson

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#491 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:20 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Randle sure kicked Chriss' ass last night, but I still have no interest in that trade.

I'm really sick of Chiss' negative body language and slouching, but hopefully he will mature.

I swear to god, if he played with the intensity of Jackson, he'd already be an allstar. Roids would do wonders for him.


No, roids would not....then he'd get REALLY pissed at refs and training staff guys.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#492 » by hollywood6964 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:36 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Randle sure kicked Chriss' ass last night, but I still have no interest in that trade.

I'm really sick of Chiss' negative body language and slouching, but hopefully he will mature.

I swear to god, if he played with the intensity of Jackson, he'd already be an allstar. Roids would do wonders for him.

As if they're not all already on low-moderate dosages of test anyway.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#493 » by LukasBMW » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Randle sure kicked Chriss' ass last night, but I still have no interest in that trade.

I'm really sick of Chiss' negative body language and slouching, but hopefully he will mature.

I swear to god, if he played with the intensity of Jackson, he'd already be an allstar. Roids would do wonders for him.


No, roids would not....then he'd get REALLY pissed at refs and training staff guys.


I'd deal with it if it made him more aggressive on the court.

He doesn't get in anyone's' face with intensity, he just kinda sulks and says stuff to other players and refs as he is walking away. That's a punk move.

I want to see him elevate, dunk with power, and then call the guy he dunked on a BITCH to his face! (Like Amare did)

I want to see him look a ref in the eyes and say "That's a bull call!" (Like Barkley did).

None of this...walking away while talking smack garbage. None of this sulking garbage.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#494 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:46 pm

Chriss was much better than Bender last night.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#495 » by BobbieL » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:47 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:In general, I agree, and would not trade Chriss for Randle straight up - mostly because of the difference in their contracts and because I think Chriss has a marginally higher ceiling. I also wouldn't take on Clarkson for Dudley, because of the dollars. I would only do the trade as I proposed it. But you have raised valid reasons why the Lakers would not.


Not me...that would just be killing the 2019 cap space we could have with a big Clarkson contract on top of Knight's, plus whatever contract we gave to Randle. No thanks.


When I first read the tweet and looked at Trade Machine - I thought of Clarkson. But like many contracts - it goes through 2020 when they already have Knight.

I would be leery of trading for Kemba Walker for that reason - is he the guy you want to "max" in 2019 - I just am not sure

I don't mind shopping Chriss - I just think the Lakers are not a match up unless it becomes Randle/Brewer for Dudley/Chriss and the Suns just want 14m of cap space next summer just in case. And even than - that's kind of stupid as that would be selling low on Chriss (in my opinion)

As much as I like trades at the deadline - its fun , rumors etc: I am sticking with my two
1) Chandler if they can improve their cap situation this summer but the contract coming back expires in 2019 - long shot, 100:1

2) Daniels: a team like the RAptors or somebody where you get some cap space this summer: 10:1 odds - that contract is VERY good for a playoff bound team
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#496 » by JJ13 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 8:01 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Chriss was much better than Bender last night.


I stopped watching in the 4th, but up until then I saw a different game...Bender was aggressive on both ends of the floor. Not that Chriss was bad, I just saw more effort and potential in Bender last night. And I like Chriss.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#497 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Feb 7, 2018 8:03 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Chriss was much better than Bender last night.


He certainly had some additional pep in his step. But it sure would be nice if he were actually capable of taking it strong to the basket.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#498 » by Kerrsed » Wed Feb 7, 2018 8:06 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#499 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 7, 2018 8:07 pm

I have always thought Trey Lyles would fit here as at Pf. If either the Bucks pick OR Heat pick with an asset like Daniels or OR Len nabbed us Trey along with Mudiay, I would do it.
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