WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[Red Vines]

It's for the picks not the player. What did you think Willy was worth? He's worse than KOQ.

Well, you hate every player on the team except Burke so not sure what to think.

Or are you a Mich alum and like THJr too?

It's actually the opposite, I like most of the players but none are untouchable and some need to be moved.

[Billy Goat]

I don't understand people who try to put willy and KP in the same category. KP is in his third year and he's a legit cornerstone and All Star player. In this day and age those types of guys deserve to have input into the franchise's direction.

The issue with this is KP isnt that and everyone seems to think he is. Cornerstones dont rebound and shoot as poorly as he does.

Yeah, sometimes they do just that. Sometimes a franchise player still has a wart or two in their games; it doesn't mean they couldn't be the best or second best player on a contender. Just because we would like him to rebound more or shoot a higher percentage doesn't negate what he already does. We spend too much time talking about what players aren't instead of what they are.

Shooting/efficiency is what maters most. This is black and white data. Porzingis' output was not that of a franchise/max player. The Knicks would be winning more if it were.

[Capn'O]

Everybody miss Phil yet?

I don't miss him but I was always concerned about what the replacement would look like. Phil, if nothing else, was his own mind in the org.

[thebuzzardman]

lmao @ people expecting monk back

Yeah, like two posters in here. STFU.

[Billy Goat]

It's for the picks not the player. What did you think Willy was worth? He's worse than KOQ.

Well, you hate every player on the team except Burke so not sure what to think.

Or are you a Mich alum and like THJr too?

The players taking the most shots for the Knicks are below league average at their respective positions. Do you ever wonder why the Knicks continue to lose games? Talent matters, recognizing what talent actually is matters more.

[HEZI]

LOL you guys thought Willy actually had more value?

All those teams that were "interested" in him, this was likely the best offer we received for him

Then they should have held on to him against KOQ opting out, which is sure to happen. A team doesn't HAVE to trade.

When someone is very replaceable, like Willy, there's no point in holding on to him.

[dakomish23]

We traded a solid young player on his rookie deal, who’s biggest issue was having guys who are about to get paid this offseason, in front of him.

This organization is a disgrace

the issue was more that he couldn't play defense and instead of working on his game he complained to the media all season long.

The starter can’t play defense either

Idc about him vocalizing his wish to play.

It’s a mediocre deal by less than mediocre franchise

[Wonderllama]

Is Phil Jackson still running the show? I don't believe this. An absolutely horrific 24 hour stretch for Knicks fans

[BUDDAMAN]

lmao @ people expecting monk back

Yeah, like two posters in here. STFU.

i read 5 on the first 2 pages

[reub]

willy is really not that good.

It's a fair deal, but the Knicks killed WHG value....especially if the plan was to eventually move him. If they let him play through his struggles, his value skyrockets.....whether he sits or played and continued to suck, his value is crushed. Someone said this move was because Dolan would be upset with him talking, it's really the only logical explanation.

How did the Knicks kill his value? He got outplayed. He didn't earn his spot. Are we now giving minutes to guys who haven't earned them? What does that do for culture?

It's not about culture. It's about VALUE. If you want to trade Willy then you PLAY HIM. You don't bury him on the bench until he sulks and then GIVE HIM AWAY.

[Synciere]

The issue with this is KP isnt that and everyone seems to think he is. Cornerstones dont rebound and shoot as poorly as he does.

Yeah, sometimes they do just that. Sometimes a franchise player still has a wart or two in their games; it doesn't mean they couldn't be the best or second best player on a contender. Just because we would like him to rebound more or shoot a higher percentage doesn't negate what he already does. We spend too much time talking about what players aren't instead of what they are.

Shooting/efficiency is what maters most. This is black and white data. Porzingis' output was not that of a franchise/max player. The Knicks would be winning more if it were.

And if you were a Mavericks fan during Dirk's early years you'd say rebounding and defense matters most. And if you were a Celtics' fan during the Pierce and Walker years you'd say shooting and defense matters most. Again, you're picking and choosing where he's deficient and ignoring the areas where he's strong to fit your argument. It's not his output that's an impediment to the Knicks winning lol...

[dakomish23]

lmao @ people expecting monk back

Yeah, like two posters in here. STFU.

It wasn’t even “expecting”. It was “hoping”. Are we supposed to “hope” for the mediocre package we received?

[YaMomsEx]

I can't wait to hysterically laugh at this thread in a year and every year after that just to show how insane some of you are

[digitaldropoff]

willy is really not that good.

It's a fair deal, but the Knicks killed WHG value....especially if the plan was to eventually move him. If they let him play through his struggles, his value skyrockets.....whether he sits or played and continued to suck, his value is crushed. Someone said this move was because Dolan would be upset with him talking, it's really the only logical explanation.

How did the Knicks kill his value? He got outplayed. He didn't earn his spot. Are we now giving minutes to guys who haven't earned them? What does that do for culture?

Because the Knicks went out of their way to let everyone know they were going young this year.....then he gets buried on the bench. Was he outplayed.....sure, but hardly enough to being sat for good. This is the Knicks fault because they clearly cannot keep up on their current players.....if he regressed so poorly by the time everyone saw him at the beginning of the season, you're telling me no coaches or scouts noticed him eating balls over the summer? They could have moved him last offseason, but they had no inkling of how he was playing or progressing.

The Knicks have almost an entire roster of guys that get minutes who haven't earned them, so I don't even know what kind of argument that is?

[boomann21]

Excuse us, Tank coming Thru!!

[reub]

Willy's contract was just too good and was making all of the other Knick contracts look even more terrible by comparison. He had to go!

[K_ick_God]

Burke will round out into a 16 PPG PG dynamic scorer, equal to or better than Timmy, then we'll sign him for $1.2M per, and then trade him to the Pelicans for a 2nd round pick between 56-60, then from 50-60 if not conveyed, and then the Pelicans' obligation will terminate free & clear.

I can't wait.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Willy is nothing special, and he had little value on the trade market. Were people expecting a 1st or something like that for a flawed big that gets no PT on a bad team and had requested a trade?

[BUDDAMAN]

lmao @ people expecting monk back

Yeah, like two posters in here. STFU.

It wasn’t even “expecting”. It was “hoping”. Are we supposed to “hope” for the mediocre package we received?

more like dreaming

[kane2021]

I can’t imagine Willy and his people are happy right now. They’re right back in the exact same situation. Solves nothing for him. And we basically got a refund in return. It’s hard to believe it’s a coincidence.


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