WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[DrCoach]

All-Rookie lottery pick Jahlil Okafor netted Trevor Booker and they had to include Stauskas and a 2nd rounder...

Thank you!!!!

And he is better and younger.

We got 2 2nd rd picks for a guy we picked with a 2nd rd.

Kanter is better

This also opens up a slot for a G-player

[Spandau]

What if Willy flat out didn't want to be here? His agent made a formal trade request. You just keep him because, Knicks? You keep calling the girl that broke up with you? Or you move on. Knicks gave him his request and are moving on.

It's so early in the process (his career, the season) to give that sort of leverage.

I know there are unwritten rules to stay in the good graces of agents and players, but...stomaching this package in return must mean that things were so FUBAR that Perry felt that no other move would have salvaged the situation.

With any other explanation, it's awful. Giving up an asset before exercising all other options is foolish.

[Synciere]

Who else but the Knicks make a player earn minutes after all that? How bout EVERY winning organization!

Remember when Dejuan Blair and Gary Neal didn't get minutes in year 2 because they didn't earn them... No you don't because Gary Neal was still playing 20 mpg in year 2 even as we all started to realize he wasn't good and Dejuan Blair actually got moved into the starting lineup to start his 2nd year based entirely on what he did when he started 15 games midseason during his rookie year. Winning organizations play their young good players. Y'all not in practice so don't tell me about who was or wasn't better than Willy because I refused to believe any C we've had on the roster the last few years has outplayed KOQ and he hasn't been our starter at all.

You have to continue to earn your minutes. Guys get moved and traded every year, and there's always someone who wants your spot. Melo forced a trade which brought in Kanter, clearly an upgrade over Willy. O'Quinn outplayed him. So he has to earn his minutes over those guys, yes! Who is Willy that he should be gifted minutes over those guys? You can be good, and someone can still be better!

Hornacek saw Sessions was the best PG, until he saw that he wasn't. Jack outplayed him and earned those minutes. Jack, who was a late pickup with an injuries galore and no history with this coach and a young top ten player drafted at his position, EARNED the starting spot, but Willy who was All Rookie last year, played internationally so should have been in EXCELLENT shape couldn't come in and beat Kyle friggin O'Quinn for minutes?!?! Nah, YOU AINT SLICK NEITHER BRUH!!!!

Michael Carter Williams was Rookie of the Year... Has he earned the starting spot for whatever team he's playing for now?!?! You have to KEEP EARNING YOUR MINUTES, otherwise someone can and WILL take your spot. And for the record, I'm not in any rush to see Frank start. I want him to take the job and beat Jack and anyone else we may or may not bring in. If we bring in Payton, then he has to fight for that spot, and may the best man win... I don't want no players who see competition and starting b*tching about it.

You're talking about dudes earning minutes in practice. You earn them on the floor. **** practice I play to win and Willy earned those minutes on the floor. IDGAF if Kanter or KOQ were better in practice if I don't want them on the team long term. Every team but NY understands that which is why no rookie who made All Rookie first team ever averaged under 10 mpg and played under 500 minutes (unless they were hurt) in year two. Willy's out here getting that black QB treatment.

If Neal got those minutes from Popovich, in Year One, Two, or Eighty-four, it's because he earned them. I also remember when they let him go too. He earned his minutes right? Why didn't they keep in perpetuity? None of us are in practice, clearly, but Hornacek came out and said the guys who played were the guys who earned the minutes, and that defense was a major reason why. All the per 36 numbers in the world don't address that.

And no, you earn minutes in practice. Now all of sudden players and coaches shouldn't care about competing for minutes in camp and practice? You don't GAF about that?! The fcuk?!?!?! No reputable organization does that! Do you hear yourself??? Willy comes in overweight and out of shape: So What!!! He was All Rookie last year!!! LMAAAOOOOOOOOOO

[magnumt]

What if Willy flat out didn't want to be here? His agent made a formal trade request. You just keep him because, Knicks? You keep calling the girl that broke up with you? Or you move on. Knicks gave him his request and are moving on.

It's so early in the process (his career, the season) to give that sort of leverage.

I know there are unwritten rules to stay in the good graces of agents and players, but...stomaching this package in return must mean that things were so FUBAR that Perry felt that no other move would have salvaged the situation.

With any other explanation, it's awful. Giving up an asset before exercising all other options is foolish.

OMGZ!!!

Span!!!

--Mags

[nedleeds]

watch Charlotte flip him for a 1st ... he's joining a team with

Dwight Howard
Zeller ... lottery pick
Frank ... lottery pick

Good luck

Dwight is going to the Cavs and he, Frank, and Zeller all have different skillset plays he's better than Frank. Dude is gonna get PT and look just as good as last year and we'll be laughingstocks once again. Such a Knicks move. Got KOQ, Kanter, Noah, and Willy and the one of the bunch we move so we can get younger and tank is the 23 year old.

It's **** laughable, the team controlled WHG on NBA minimum for 2 more years -- one of which is a team **** option. Literally the friendliest deal for the Knicks ever. We trade that center. Such a bunch of **** clowns. Getting clowned by Dick Cho and Jordan is even worse considering the league and agents have used them as a punching bag on trades for years. The only possible explanation is Andy Miller is WHG agent and he **** raised holy hell about Freckles and SMFM crapping on his guy.

[TrueWarrior]

But we have diversity in our front office!!! DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!

Perry is another clown.

[nedleeds]

But we have diversity in our front office!!! DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!

Perry is another clown.

If these two shitheels spent half the time trying to trade our veteran flotsam as they have doing BHM interviews maybe we'd have a real future starting next week.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2018/02/07/1911340/1518022149568-paneldiscussionmillsrobinsonperry-1911340

[nykinoz]

Charlotte has a lot a big men as well, will be interesting to see how they use him.

[FKF]

Young players need to earn minutes ?

BS.

What did a young coach and managers did to earn their jobs ?

[kane2021]

Is 25 vs 23 really the difference between young and old? I personally don’t think so. But I’ll give up a toe to be either age again.


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[thebuzzardman]

What if Willy flat out didn't want to be here? His agent made a formal trade request. You just keep him because, Knicks? You keep calling the girl that broke up with you? Or you move on. Knicks gave him his request and are moving on.

It's so early in the process (his career, the season) to give that sort of leverage.

I know there are unwritten rules to stay in the good graces of agents and players, but...stomaching this package in return must mean that things were so FUBAR that Perry felt that no other move would have salvaged the situation.

With any other explanation, it's awful. Giving up an asset before exercising all other options is foolish.

This is basically my main complaint. What was the big hurry? To free up that 1.5 million? Dolan probably has gilded toilet seats in his mansion that cost more than that.

[kane2021]

What if Willy flat out didn't want to be here? His agent made a formal trade request. You just keep him because, Knicks? You keep calling the girl that broke up with you? Or you move on. Knicks gave him his request and are moving on.

It's so early in the process (his career, the season) to give that sort of leverage.

I know there are unwritten rules to stay in the good graces of agents and players, but...stomaching this package in return must mean that things were so FUBAR that Perry felt that no other move would have salvaged the situation.

With any other explanation, it's awful. Giving up an asset before exercising all other options is foolish.

This is basically my main complaint. What was the big hurry? To free up that 1.5 million? Dolan probably has gilded toilet seats in his mansion that cost more than that.

He publicly demanded a trade. I can only imagine what was said behind the scenes. And trading him to that team stinks of spite. I think there’s more to this than we know.


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[Fury]

But we have diversity in our front office!!! DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!

Perry is another clown.

What is that supposed to mean

[EchelonNYK]

46 pages on WH.

[F N 11]

Young players have to earn minutes in practice I guess

[Loisl]

Moving a low-risk asset for garbage is beyond my understanding. That's not how you conduct business.
I'm officially done being a knicks fan. Enough is enough. 24 years of my "fan"-life wasted. Have fun guys.

[E-Balla]

Who else but the Knicks make a player earn minutes after all that? How bout EVERY winning organization!

Remember when Dejuan Blair and Gary Neal didn't get minutes in year 2 because they didn't earn them... No you don't because Gary Neal was still playing 20 mpg in year 2 even as we all started to realize he wasn't good and Dejuan Blair actually got moved into the starting lineup to start his 2nd year based entirely on what he did when he started 15 games midseason during his rookie year. Winning organizations play their young good players. Y'all not in practice so don't tell me about who was or wasn't better than Willy because I refused to believe any C we've had on the roster the last few years has outplayed KOQ and he hasn't been our starter at all.

You have to continue to earn your minutes. Guys get moved and traded every year, and there's always someone who wants your spot. Melo forced a trade which brought in Kanter, clearly an upgrade over Willy. O'Quinn outplayed him. So he has to earn his minutes over those guys, yes! Who is Willy that he should be gifted minutes over those guys? You can be good, and someone can still be better!

Hornacek saw Sessions was the best PG, until he saw that he wasn't. Jack outplayed him and earned those minutes. Jack, who was a late pickup with an injuries galore and no history with this coach and a young top ten player drafted at his position, EARNED the starting spot, but Willy who was All Rookie last year, played internationally so should have been in EXCELLENT shape couldn't come in and beat Kyle friggin O'Quinn for minutes?!?! Nah, YOU AINT SLICK NEITHER BRUH!!!!

Michael Carter Williams was Rookie of the Year... Has he earned the starting spot for whatever team he's playing for now?!?! You have to KEEP EARNING YOUR MINUTES, otherwise someone can and WILL take your spot. And for the record, I'm not in any rush to see Frank start. I want him to take the job and beat Jack and anyone else we may or may not bring in. If we bring in Payton, then he has to fight for that spot, and may the best man win... I don't want no players who see competition and starting b*tching about it.

You're talking about dudes earning minutes in practice. You earn them on the floor. **** practice I play to win and Willy earned those minutes on the floor. IDGAF if Kanter or KOQ were better in practice if I don't want them on the team long term. Every team but NY understands that which is why no rookie who made All Rookie first team ever averaged under 10 mpg and played under 500 minutes (unless they were hurt) in year two. Willy's out here getting that black QB treatment.

If Neal got those minutes from Popovich, in Year One, Two, or Eighty-four, it's because he earned them. I also remember when they let him go too. He earned his minutes right? Why didn't they keep in perpetuity?

You're a dumb **** ain't you? Gary Neal wasn't let go he finished out his whole rookie deal and wasn't resigned because he was like 31 asking for a big payday and he wasn't that good. Even as he wasn't that good he played 21.1, 21.5, and 21.8 mpg in his 3 seasons with the Spurs playing more minutes the more and more he showed he couldn't play. So yes he did keep his minutes in perpetuity because THAT'S HOW PLAYERS GAIN A RHYTHM YOU FOOL. Switch a player's minutes every night and they'll never look good. Lin didn't look good until he got consistent minutes. KOQ looked horrible his last year in Orlando when they stopped giving him his minutes consistently. That's what the hell happens. Willy already proved himself ON THE FLOOR which is what matters. No other team ever has had a first team all rookie player on the roster and opened up their season with 5 DNP - CDs in the first 10 games. PERIOD! NOT ONE! EVER! I swear y'all got brain damage.

None of us are in practice, clearly, but Hornacek came out and said the guys who played were the guys who earned the minutes, and that defense was a major reason why. All the per 36 numbers in the world don't address that.

But he starts the worst defender on the team at C? FOH. Horny is stupid I trust his basketball opinions as much as Phil's. He said Rose was a great player last year. Of course he's going to lie to justify his own dumb decisions. You seriously want me to believe Sessions earned minutes over Frank with his defense? You believe that ****?

And no, you earn minutes in practice. Now all of sudden players and coaches shouldn't care about competing for minutes in camp and practice? You don't GAF about that?! The fcuk?!?!?! No reputable organization does that! Do you hear yourself??? Willy comes in overweight and out of shape: So What!!! He was All Rookie last year!!! LMAAAOOOOOOOOOO

Y'all swear y'all know what happens in practice. You don't. You know what happens on the floor and does Willy look out of shape or like someone not playing well? No. He looks perfectly fine. Last year when I was saying free Willy y'all assumed he sucked in practice but come gametime he's throwing up double doubles and outplaying all but KP and Melo? FOH your logic is all types of backwards. Blair was horrible and stayed his whole first deal with the Spurs consistently getting minutes. Slo Mo is just having his first good season when he's been getting minutes in San Antonio for 4 years consistently and prior to this year never played as well as Willy did last year. Davis Bertans is trash and consistently gets minutes in San Antonio. But nah the Spurs bench dudes when they don't perform according to you who has no facts backing up your claims and no examples but ignores mine.

That's why the Spurs develop young talent and we don't. We give up on players that play well. They don't give up on dudes that are scrubs. They always look to maximize the situation of each individual pick while we throw good talent into the wind. When Willy is averaging 8/7 the rest of the year I don't wanna hear ****.

[E-Balla]

But we have diversity in our front office!!! DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!

Perry is another clown.

What is that supposed to mean

You know what it means. Tons of racist clowns around here.

[E-Balla]

Is 25 vs 23 really the difference between young and old? I personally don’t think so. But I’ll give up a toe to be either age again.


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Kanter hasn't improved in 4 years and Willy was last seen as a rookie. That's the big difference here. If Kanter improved I wouldn't mind but as it is he's already capped out at the age of 25 and his deal is up this year. Willy was coming off a 1st team all rookie year with another 3 years on the most team friendly deal imaginable.

[shtolky]

Moving a low-risk asset for garbage is beyond my understanding. That's not how you conduct business.
I'm officially done being a knicks fan. Enough is enough. 24 years of my "fan"-life wasted. Have fun guys.

Of all the stuff that's happened since 2000 and THIS is what makes you stop being a fan? Not the Curry trade, the Noah signing, the entire 2000's losing, the sexual harassment lawsuit, the Bargnani trade, the Melo saga, McDyess, Francis, Phil even entertaining trading KP, etc. etc?