Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[King4Day]

Another 40+ loss. Yeah, we’re steady improving under Triano. Sign him asap.

The team looked like we didn't have PG. If you added Nash to last nights team, we might actually win that game. Our guys were running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

[oddity]

Archie was not super talented. He was super athletic. There's a difference. He had 0 touch. Chriss and Bender have touch out to 3.

The only thing Chriss can touch is my nerves.

[BobbieL]

Another 40+ loss. Yeah, we’re steady improving under Triano. Sign him asap.

The team looked like we didn't have PG. If you added Nash to last nights team, we might actually win that game. Our guys were running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

the lack of point guard play is staggering. James, Ulis , even Canaan - they are not the guys you need

I hope Gambo's report about trading seconds for a PG (Mudiay, Payton) is accurate as the Suns need to see if one of these guys with 2 and 4 years of experience will look to be a fit with Booker over the last 24 games.

Woj just dropped this - -I wonder if the Suns could get in on this -- this is where that Monroe deal to LA might have been nice - granted, as BWG pointed out when I brought up Love - Jordan fits worse than Love on the Cavs as he can't shoot FT or spot up threes. Jordan for Frye and Tristan Thompson work in the trade machine - add in the Cavs pick.

Read on Twitter

three team trade
Cleveland: Jordan and Troy Daniels
Clippers: Isian Thomas , Alex Len and Shumpert
Suns: Frye and Derrick Rose

[King4Day]

Another 40+ loss. Yeah, we’re steady improving under Triano. Sign him asap.

The team looked like we didn't have PG. If you added Nash to last nights team, we might actually win that game. Our guys were running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

the lack of point guard play is staggering. James, Ulis , even Canaan - they are not the guys you need

I hope Gambo's report about trading seconds for a PG (Mudiay, Payton) is accurate as the Suns need to see if one of these guys with 2 and 4 years of experience will look to be a fit with Booker over the last 24 games.

Woj just dropped this - -I wonder if the Suns could get in on this -- this is where that Monroe deal to LA might have been nice - granted, as BWG pointed out when I brought up Love - Jordan fits worse than Love on the Cavs as he can't shoot FT or spot up threes. Jordan for Frye and Tristan Thompson work in the trade machine - add in the Cavs pick.

Read on Twitter

three team trade
Cleveland: Jordan and Troy Daniels
Clippers: Isian Thomas , Alex Len and Shumpert
Suns: Frye and Derrick Rose

Dare I say I'd rather we get IT? I feel like, if nothing else, we could salvage some games and not embarrass ourselves like we have so many times in the past. I guess Rose could fit that bill too. I'd rather keep Daniels though.

[BobbieL]

The team looked like we didn't have PG. If you added Nash to last nights team, we might actually win that game. Our guys were running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

the lack of point guard play is staggering. James, Ulis , even Canaan - they are not the guys you need

I hope Gambo's report about trading seconds for a PG (Mudiay, Payton) is accurate as the Suns need to see if one of these guys with 2 and 4 years of experience will look to be a fit with Booker over the last 24 games.

Woj just dropped this - -I wonder if the Suns could get in on this -- this is where that Monroe deal to LA might have been nice - granted, as BWG pointed out when I brought up Love - Jordan fits worse than Love on the Cavs as he can't shoot FT or spot up threes. Jordan for Frye and Tristan Thompson work in the trade machine - add in the Cavs pick.

Read on Twitter

three team trade
Cleveland: Jordan and Troy Daniels
Clippers: Isian Thomas , Alex Len and Shumpert
Suns: Frye and Derrick Rose

Dare I say I'd rather we get IT? I feel like, if nothing else, we could salvage some games and not embarrass ourselves like we have so many times in the past. I guess Rose could fit that bill too. I'd rather keep Daniels though.

I don't think Isiah is the long term answer at point guard - I would like to run with Booker and Mudiay/Payton just to see if that shows signs of something better in 2018/19.

[Saberestar]

Bradley is available for a first round pick. Please get him to test if Booker and him are good together as our backcourt . If they fit well we can sign Bradley going over the cap because we would have his bird rights, so we can sign other FA before him.

And I don't care if we draft a PG. We need a lot of players, a ton of minutes available.

[AtheJ415]

Trading a 1st for Bradley would be horrific

[Saberestar]

Trading a 1st for Bradley would be horrific

A lottery protected pick. We can't add three or four rookies to this mess.

If the Spurs gets Bradley they are gonna have him on their roster for the next four or five years. Just for a late first round pick.

[AtheJ415]

Trading a 1st for Bradley would be horrific

A lottery protected pick. We can't add three or four rookies to this mess.

We can package picks to move up, or add somebody positive who is not an impending FA for one of those picks. Even non-lottery, I'd prefer the guys projected at 15-20 over Bradley. His advanced stats are awful and he seems entirely like a guy whose reputation was made by Stevens. I don't want to be the team to pay him big money in FA, let alone trade a 1st for the right even though he is soon to be a UFA.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Bradley is available for a first round pick. Please get him to test if Booker and him are good together as our backcourt . If they fit well we can sign Bradley going over the cap because we would have his bird rights, so we can sign other FA before him.

And I don't care if we draft a PG. We need a lot of players, a ton of minutes available.

Bradley's cap hold would be 150% of his current salary so around $13.5M so that plan of signing other FA's first really doesn't work. Heck I don't think giving Bradley that much money would be a good idea.

I just don't think a 1st rounder is worth a 30 game look at Bradley. As we're seeing 1st are being valued highly so why not keep that ammunition until this summer and use it then if they feel they can't add more rookies. I'm not so sure they shouldn't just use that pick hell we see guys like Dejonte Murray playing well he was picked 29th. If you have a GM with a good eye for talent you can get players with those later picks.

This team sucks and I totally get anyone wanting them to add a real player or two as soon as possible. And if they want to roll the dice and spend a second rounder or two on a guy today that's fine but I still believe the best route to get better is waiting until this summer to do so.

[Saberestar]

Trading a 1st for Bradley would be horrific

A lottery protected pick. We can't add three or four rookies to this mess.

We can package picks to move up, or add somebody positive who is not an impending FA for one of those picks. Even non-lottery, I'd prefer the guys projected at 15-20 over Bradley. His advanced stats are awful and he seems entirely like a guy whose reputation was made by Stevens. I don't want to be the team to pay him big money in FA, let alone trade a 1st for the right even though he is soon to be a UFA.

You get the player now, you get his bird rights. Don't need cap space to sign him.

We can sign Capela or Nurkic to a big deal, extend Booker and then sign Bradley. Plus our Top 5 pick.
Edit: OK, probably not enough money to sign because Bradley's cap hold.

[Saberestar]

Bradley is available for a first round pick. Please get him to test if Booker and him are good together as our backcourt . If they fit well we can sign Bradley going over the cap because we would have his bird rights, so we can sign other FA before him.

And I don't care if we draft a PG. We need a lot of players, a ton of minutes available.

Bradley's cap hold would be 150% of his current salary so around $13.5M so that plan of signing other FA's first really doesn't work. Heck I don't think giving Bradley that much money would be a good idea.

I just don't think a 1st rounder is worth a 30 game look at Bradley. As we're seeing 1st are being valued highly so why not keep that ammunition until this summer and use it then if they feel they can't add more rookies. I'm not so sure they shouldn't just use that pick hell we see guys like Dejonte Murray playing well he was picked 29th. If you have a GM with a good eye for talent you can get players with those later picks.

This team sucks and I totally get anyone wanting them to add a real player or two as soon as possible. And if they want to roll the dice and spend a second rounder or two on a guy today that's fine but I still believe the best route to get better is waiting until this summer to do so.

Ok, my bad in that case. But we can sign a decent FA starting at $8M, extend Booker and then sign Bradley.

If not Bradley, I would like to go after another player. Tyreke (smaller cap hold), Dinwiddie, Randle....

Probably you are right and the best is to wait. But there are too many games left, and I don't want to lose by 40 every single game.

[AtheJ415]

A lottery protected pick. We can't add three or four rookies to this mess.

We can package picks to move up, or add somebody positive who is not an impending FA for one of those picks. Even non-lottery, I'd prefer the guys projected at 15-20 over Bradley. His advanced stats are awful and he seems entirely like a guy whose reputation was made by Stevens. I don't want to be the team to pay him big money in FA, let alone trade a 1st for the right even though he is soon to be a UFA.

You get the player now, you get his bird rights. Don't need cap space to sign him.

We can sign Capela or Nurkic to a big deal, extend Booker and then sign Bradley. Plus our Top 5 pick.

Why would we care about bird rights when we are under the cap? Sorry, Bradley is not good. For players who have played as many games and minutes as him since his draft class, he ranks something like 250-270 out of about 300 players. Nurkic is not going to be let go. And we can get under the cap for Capela without trading a 1st. Also, Booker's extension wouldn't kick in until after next season regardless so that is irrelevant.

[WeekapaugGroove]

One thing to keep in mind with trading for impending FA's is them coming here for these last 30 games might do more harm than good as far as trying to get them inked this summer. Will guys really enjoy their time playing on a bad team for a coaching staff that most likely will be gone this summer (a front off that should be too)? Might be a good idea to keep guys as far from this mess as possible.

[BobbieL]

Bradley is available for a first round pick. Please get him to test if Booker and him are good together as our backcourt . If they fit well we can sign Bradley going over the cap because we would have his bird rights, so we can sign other FA before him.

And I don't care if we draft a PG. We need a lot of players, a ton of minutes available.

Bradley's cap hold would be 150% of his current salary so around $13.5M so that plan of signing other FA's first really doesn't work. Heck I don't think giving Bradley that much money would be a good idea.

I just don't think a 1st rounder is worth a 30 game look at Bradley. As we're seeing 1st are being valued highly so why not keep that ammunition until this summer and use it then if they feel they can't add more rookies. I'm not so sure they shouldn't just use that pick hell we see guys like Dejonte Murray playing well he was picked 29th. If you have a GM with a good eye for talent you can get players with those later picks.

This team sucks and I totally get anyone wanting them to add a real player or two as soon as possible. And if they want to roll the dice and spend a second rounder or two on a guy today that's fine but I still believe the best route to get better is waiting until this summer to do so.

Mudiay for two seconds
move Daniels - he is on a cheap contract - but if you are taking back Mudiay you just lost 3m of cap space and every dollar counts

The Suns will have about 24m of cap space if Len is not brought back and Canaan renounced under this scenario of Mudiay in and Daniels out

Woj did mention that the Pacers would be willing to trade Jefferson for cap space - but not sure he is worth the pick and he does have 4m guaranteed - I think for that, I hold on to Chandler and the pick for 9.5m of cap space this summer.

[AtheJ415]

Bradley is available for a first round pick. Please get him to test if Booker and him are good together as our backcourt . If they fit well we can sign Bradley going over the cap because we would have his bird rights, so we can sign other FA before him.

And I don't care if we draft a PG. We need a lot of players, a ton of minutes available.

Bradley's cap hold would be 150% of his current salary so around $13.5M so that plan of signing other FA's first really doesn't work. Heck I don't think giving Bradley that much money would be a good idea.

I just don't think a 1st rounder is worth a 30 game look at Bradley. As we're seeing 1st are being valued highly so why not keep that ammunition until this summer and use it then if they feel they can't add more rookies. I'm not so sure they shouldn't just use that pick hell we see guys like Dejonte Murray playing well he was picked 29th. If you have a GM with a good eye for talent you can get players with those later picks.

This team sucks and I totally get anyone wanting them to add a real player or two as soon as possible. And if they want to roll the dice and spend a second rounder or two on a guy today that's fine but I still believe the best route to get better is waiting until this summer to do so.

Ok, my bad in that case. But we can sign a decent FA starting at $8M, extend Booker and then sign Bradley.

If not Bradley, I would like to go after another player. Tyreke (smaller cap hold), Dinwiddie, Randle....

Probably you are right and the best is to wait. But there are too many games left, and I don't want to lose by 40 every single game.

We don't lose by 40 regularly. This team has lost but been fairly competitive until last night under Triano. I don't agree at all with Tyreke. Dinwiddie sure due to his small salary and small cap hold next year. If you got him you could have a small cap hold a year from now and max out a guy in that class (which has better players than this offseason), then use his bird rights to go over the top. I can't see a reason whatsoever to trade for Randle. He is an impending FA and a PF, which we already have 2 young guys at, really 3 if you include Peters. If we want him we should just sign him in FA. Why give up any pick for him?

I realize we have too many 2nd rounders, but we could always just go very heavy with international players or package them to move up or trade them for future 2nds to spread them across drafts. We don't have to dump them at the deadline.

[BobbieL]

One thing to keep in mind with trading for impending FA's is them coming here for these last 30 games might do more harm than good as far as trying to get them inked this summer. Will guys really enjoy their time playing on a bad team for a coaching staff that most likely will be gone this summer (a front off that should be too)? Might be a good idea to keep guys as far from this mess as possible.

Hence Mudiay for 2nd - he is signed through next year I believe so he is not an impending FA. As you make a good point about impending Free Agents.

Suns don't need guys for 30 games to over-inflate their record. They either need to make moves for the cap or to get young players that can contribute next year.

[darealjuice]

Well, 5 hours left to see if McDonough has any rabbits in his hat to patch up our point guard spot outside of Booker. It won’t be easy for anyone to watch a Ulis/Gray back court the rest of the year.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Bradley is available for a first round pick. Please get him to test if Booker and him are good together as our backcourt . If they fit well we can sign Bradley going over the cap because we would have his bird rights, so we can sign other FA before him.

And I don't care if we draft a PG. We need a lot of players, a ton of minutes available.

Bradley's cap hold would be 150% of his current salary so around $13.5M so that plan of signing other FA's first really doesn't work. Heck I don't think giving Bradley that much money would be a good idea.

I just don't think a 1st rounder is worth a 30 game look at Bradley. As we're seeing 1st are being valued highly so why not keep that ammunition until this summer and use it then if they feel they can't add more rookies. I'm not so sure they shouldn't just use that pick hell we see guys like Dejonte Murray playing well he was picked 29th. If you have a GM with a good eye for talent you can get players with those later picks.

This team sucks and I totally get anyone wanting them to add a real player or two as soon as possible. And if they want to roll the dice and spend a second rounder or two on a guy today that's fine but I still believe the best route to get better is waiting until this summer to do so.

Mudiay for two seconds
move Daniels - he is on a cheap contract - but if you are taking back Mudiay you just lost 3m of cap space and every dollar counts

The Suns will have about 24m of cap space if Len is not brought back and Canaan renounced under this scenario of Mudiay in and Daniels out

Woj did mention that the Pacers would be willing to trade Jefferson for cap space - but not sure he is worth the pick and he does have 4m guaranteed - I think for that, I hold on to Chandler and the pick for 9.5m of cap space this summer.

I'd be good with that type of Mudiay deal. Frankly I don't think he's good but it might be worth a calculated risk to look at a guy who does have some talent and we have the minutes to give him the rest of the way.

I agree that I wouldn't trade a 1st to get off Chandlers salary right now. Their best path to a quick turn around might be to use Chandler and Dudley's expirings plus draft assets to grab a highly paid guy in a trade this summer then use the 24M in cap space to grab a FA or two. The top end of the FA class just isn't deep enough and it's so unlikely that a guy like George would sign here there's not reason to worry about creating too much more space right now.

[AtheJ415]

I've been thinking about this a lot, and if Phoenix isn't interested in taking on any cap and sits at about $24 mil in space with Len getting renounced, it points to a mini-max, which is about $25 mil roughly. That to me means we want Gordon or Capela. I could see a scenario where we draft Young, then try to sign one of those to round out the defense. Yes they are RFA, but Houston's cap scenario is awful. I think these George Hill rumors with them despite already having Paul and Harden are because they are desperate to move Anderson to free up cap this offseason for another star (and even then they could not come close to a max for them) like Lebron or PG3. Hill has little guaranteed next season so they could cut him. For Gordon, Orlando clearly doesn't want to pay him what he wants or they wouldn't be looking to trade him at all.

I think McD wants to try to get one of those for a little less (maybe $18-20 a year) and then add a couple key vet FA's for less more in line with Lou Williams type of value.

The other option is to offer Cousins, then set up trades to cut the additional $10 mil (trade Dudley) if he says yes. I still prefer punting to 2019 for FA if we can't get Cousins or Gordon, because I am not sold that Capela is worth the mini max given how easy offense is for him on that team. Also, I think Bender is better at center so don't want another center unless they are Cousins caliber or somebody like Ayton.

That said, this lineup is not bad at all going forward, and at the mini-max, we'd free up more to go after another guy next offseason when Knight, Chandler, Dudley come off:

Young/Knight/Ulis
Booker/Reed
Jackson/Warren
Gordon/Chriss
Bender/Sauce