WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[F N 11]

Willy changed his display photo and description so fast lol. He couldn’t wait to get out of New York.

Anyway let’s not overreact. We liked him. But he’s terrible on defense. No jump shot. In a league where Offense centers that don’t play D are being extinct I’m not even mad.

that’s funny because we actual start one of those extinct centers. and pay him 17x more money.

and willy did have a jump shot. he even hit a few threes last season. obviously he needed to develop it more, but the Knicks don’t develop young players.

I pray to God we don’t resign Willy ot Kyle

[Tron Carter]

I'm still bothered by how stupid this trade was.

I woke up mad

[Besart19]

Warriors, SAS and OKC were better fits for Willy

Are the benches more cushy there?

The first two need a post-up & roller big... The third one is elite at developing young talents

[Adelheid]

I just saw a report that Lakers been rejecting teams that have been offering 2nds for Julias Randle and that noone has yet to offer a first.

It really is a buyers market. We weren't going to get a better return than we did. Though i rather would've just kept him.

That sounds really crazy. I thought Randle can easily net them a mid 1st. Teams nowadays sure are cheap, but we cant blame them. Players demand so much money way past their real production and there are quite alot of overpaid players out there, making picks more important than ever unless you dont mind hitting luxury tax and repeater tax.

[PeoplesChamp]

I don't get the bellyaching about this trade. What more could you possibly get for him? He was obviously done here. His all-rookie selection was more reflective of a very weak year for rookies than anything. Malcolm Brogdon was ROY by default almost. The Knicks are bad at developing players, but he apparently didn't take his own development seriously. Sometimes a trade will light a fire under someone's ass. Good luck to him.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Kinda weird we cut O'Bryant. Wasn't crazy about him, but thought he may warrant a look?

[Esq-4]

I thought KP going down would have opened room for Willy to see what he has. Before that, my position would have been it's too bad, but if we aren't playing him then what's the big deal. End of the day, I don't think Willy is going to be franchise altering, so no big deal, but doesn't really make sense. Does anyone expect anything out of two middle of the pack second rounders? I guess we'll see.

[OpiumDose]

Awful trade that just further proves FO incompetence. So in the off-season there were all these talks about how KP and Willy would be our starters this season and how they would grow together, right? WHG had a really solid rookie season - was rookie of the month in April, made All-Rookie 1st team. Then in the summer played pretty solid on his national team (7.6 pts, 5.9 rebs in 13.9 mins). Then comes the NBA season and he is suddenly not good enough to get any playtime? On a team that was supposed to be all about youth (according to our GM)? I can completely understand him playing behind Kanter, but not getting any playtime at all (except some scraps in garbage time) doesn't make any sense to me. And you could argue that KOQ was better, but who cares? He will be 28 in couple of months, he is not the future of this team. And I know that some people excused playing KOQ so much with an argument that we are showcasing him to trade him. Well, hasn't happened until know. Instead we traded 23 year old WHG and KOQ is still here. And even if we all agreed that WHG was probably not amount to much in todays NBA due to his play style and weak defense it still doesn't make any sense to trade him NOW. Why traded him at his lowest value. It's ridiculous. If FO knew at the start of the season that they are not going to play him then why not trade him then? We would have gotten way more for him at that point. It just reeks of incompetence. Look at it as you want - we either should have let WHG play at least the same amount of meaningful minutes as KOQ - only then we could make any assessments of whether he actually is any good (or has potential to improve) - now we basically based our opinions on his performance in some garbage time minutes and on some rumors that he was totally outplayed by KOQ and Kanter in the practice. Or we should have traded him when his value was at the high. But what happened here was a complete disaster and FO failure. Knicks being Knicks.

[mpharris36]

Kinda weird we cut O'Bryant. Wasn't crazy about him, but thought he may warrant a look?

i think they would rather give Hicks a look.

[HEZI]

Kinda weird we cut O'Bryant. Wasn't crazy about him, but thought he may warrant a look?

They probably want to give our Westchester guys an opportunity, since we've kinda built a relationship with them already.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Kinda weird we cut O'Bryant. Wasn't crazy about him, but thought he may warrant a look?

i think they would rather give Hicks a look.

Can't we have both since Hicks is already signed on a 2-way contract?

[mpharris36]

Kinda weird we cut O'Bryant. Wasn't crazy about him, but thought he may warrant a look?

i think they would rather give Hicks a look.

Can't we have both since Hicks is already signed on a 2-way contract?

I think you can only have 15 active guys on the roster...though...2-way contracts mean you keep there rights but I don't believe you are able to bring them up to the show if you don't have roster space...I could be wrong on that though.

[DOT]

i think they would rather give Hicks a look.

Can't we have both since Hicks is already signed on a 2-way contract?

I think you can only have 15 active guys on the roster...though...2-way contracts mean you keep there rights but I don't believe you are able to bring them up to the show if you don't have roster space...I could be wrong on that though.

I think it's you can bring them up with the 15 active guys for 45 days, then you have to either send them back down or sign them for the rest of the year and cut someone from the active roster

[Deeeez Knicks]

Can't we have both since Hicks is already signed on a 2-way contract?

I think you can only have 15 active guys on the roster...though...2-way contracts mean you keep there rights but I don't believe you are able to bring them up to the show if you don't have roster space...I could be wrong on that though.

I think it's you can bring them up with the 15 active guys for 45 days, then you have to either send them back down or sign them for the rest of the year and cut someone from the active roster

Yeah, that was my understanding. They can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team and are basically 16th and 17th guys on the roster. After 45 days you would have to cut someone.

We have an open roster spot for someone else after waivers...wouldn't make sense to use it on Hicks yet when he is like a free roster spot

[mpharris36]

I think you can only have 15 active guys on the roster...though...2-way contracts mean you keep there rights but I don't believe you are able to bring them up to the show if you don't have roster space...I could be wrong on that though.

I think it's you can bring them up with the 15 active guys for 45 days, then you have to either send them back down or sign them for the rest of the year and cut someone from the active roster

Yeah, that was my understanding. They can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team and are basically 16th and 17th guys on the roster. After 45 days you would have to cut someone.

We have an open roster spot for someone else after waivers...wouldn't make sense to use it on Hicks yet when he is like a free roster spot

maybe they will surprise me and keep the extra roster spot to take on a 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 deal...something like that.

[DOT]

I think you can only have 15 active guys on the roster...though...2-way contracts mean you keep there rights but I don't believe you are able to bring them up to the show if you don't have roster space...I could be wrong on that though.

I think it's you can bring them up with the 15 active guys for 45 days, then you have to either send them back down or sign them for the rest of the year and cut someone from the active roster

Yeah, that was my understanding. They can spend up to 45 days with the NBA team and are basically 16th and 17th guys on the roster. After 45 days you would have to cut someone.

We have an open roster spot for someone else after waivers...wouldn't make sense to use it on Hicks yet when he is like a free roster spot

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82

Teams are allowed to have up to two players on Two-Way contracts at any time, and teams receive additional roster spots beyond the standard 15 in order to do so

I think that's what this is saying

Plus, I'm pretty sure we had Hicks and Kornet with the team practicing the other day, so it doesn't make sense to cut Obryant unless we need the roster spot for some trade

[ChaosHamster]

well, I hope theirs evaluation on Willy is right..

[Dr. Detfink]

2 second rounders ain’t all bad IF the front office knows how to put together a team.

This trade reminded me a lot of when the Yankees traded Melky Cabrera who was BFF to Robinson Cano. Those two partied late and Yankees didn’t like how it distracted Cano, the trade woke up Cano and he was on his way to becoming a Hall if Fame 2B.

[NY 567]

I think people are missing the point about this trade. It's isn't about how bad or good WHG actually is, it's about his perceived value across the league at the moment. His value after his rookie year could have netted a solid package. Playing him now with KP out would have inflated his numbers and increased his value in the offseason. DNPing him all year shot his value to zero, which is why it was the wrong time to move him. It's why we got nothing for him

[NYKAL]

I just saw a report that Lakers been rejecting teams that have been offering 2nds for Julias Randle and that noone has yet to offer a first.

It really is a buyers market. We weren't going to get a better return than we did. Though i rather would've just kept him.

That sounds really crazy. I thought Randle can easily net them a mid 1st. Teams nowadays sure are cheap, but we cant blame them. Players demand so much money way past their real production and there are quite alot of overpaid players out there, making picks more important than ever unless you dont mind hitting luxury tax and repeater tax.

Read a article on this just this morning. Said that teams are holding their 1st tighter than ever and are pushing 2nd rounders on anyone seeking picks. Looking at the moves that have been made, seems to have substance