Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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[nate33]

Sure Fox News a completely reliable source???
For you yes but for anyone else with a mind NO!

What are you talking about? There is a video feed of him saying that on Fox News. Or do you not even believe a live video feed of the President speaking if he is doing so on a Fox affiliate?

LINK??????????

Link is here

[Wizardspride]

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Yep.

I remember that.

[cammac]

He presumably is therefore in the know of various aspects of how the FISA warrant was obtained, who in the Trump campaign was spied on, and who was unmasked and why? Let's just remember that fact as things play out.
PRESUMPTION WITH ZERO VERIFICATION
If any President has the #1 enemy Russia meddling in a Democratic Elections he or she needs to know the facts. That doesn't mean he wants or needs the background!
Sorry Nate!

Obama is micromanaging on the Russia investigation to such a degree that he is working directly with mid-level agents rather than merely speaking to Comey, and informs Strzok that he "wants to know everything".

He is not going to be able to distance himself from this. If nothing else, it proves that Obama explicitly lied when he said on Fox News: "I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it. I guarantee it,”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-fbi-text-doesnt-prove-obama-lied-when-he-said-i-do-not-talk-to-fbi-directors-about-pending-investigations/article/2648408
Pending investigations. Not ongoing investigations. Seems like nit-picking, but there is a difference.
That text really only conflicts with:

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Think is well written there is a difference in a ongoing investigation on "National Security" than a pending on!
Enough said
Looked at your links!

[TGW]

If you guys want to see a logical debate regarding Russiagate, watch this:

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This is the non-theatrical, non-MSNBC/CNN, non-partisan view of Russia without the slant.

[nate33]

He presumably is therefore in the know of various aspects of how the FISA warrant was obtained, who in the Trump campaign was spied on, and who was unmasked and why? Let's just remember that fact as things play out.
PRESUMPTION WITH ZERO VERIFICATION
If any President has the #1 enemy Russia meddling in a Democratic Elections he or she needs to know the facts. That doesn't mean he wants or needs the background!
Sorry Nate!

Obama is micromanaging on the Russia investigation to such a degree that he is working directly with mid-level agents rather than merely speaking to Comey, and informs Strzok that he "wants to know everything".

He is not going to be able to distance himself from this. If nothing else, it proves that Obama explicitly lied when he said on Fox News: "I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it. I guarantee it,”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-fbi-text-doesnt-prove-obama-lied-when-he-said-i-do-not-talk-to-fbi-directors-about-pending-investigations/article/2648408
Pending investigations. Not ongoing investigations. Seems like nit-picking, but there is a difference.
That text really only conflicts with:

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That's an article written yesterday when many believed the texts referred to the Clinton email investigation, which had been completed at the time and was no longer "pending". It is now generally understood that, based on the timing of the texts, they had to do with the Russian collusion investigation, which is still ongoing and would appear to directly contradict Obama's statement.

[cammac]

Was just wondering on July 26th Foxconn made a huge announcement of a new plant in Speaker Paul Ryans district! It was for Sharp/Foxconn note Sharp is now part of Foxconn at the time I said it was a fraud. Since Foxconn had just built and opened a $5 billion facility in Shenzhen China making the same LCD panels. Just googled to get a update on the progress of said factory in Wisconsin and not a peep of news since the announcement. Its like the bridge that went nowhere another Republican theatrical invention without reality.

[JWizmentality]

Obama is micromanaging on the Russia investigation to such a degree that he is working directly with mid-level agents rather than merely speaking to Comey, and informs Strzok that he "wants to know everything".

He is not going to be able to distance himself from this. If nothing else, it proves that Obama explicitly lied when he said on Fox News: "I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it. I guarantee it,”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-fbi-text-doesnt-prove-obama-lied-when-he-said-i-do-not-talk-to-fbi-directors-about-pending-investigations/article/2648408
Pending investigations. Not ongoing investigations. Seems like nit-picking, but there is a difference.
That text really only conflicts with:

Read on Twitter

That's an article written yesterday when many believed the texts referred to the Clinton email investigation, which had been completed at the time and was no longer "pending". It is now generally understood that, based on the timing of the texts, they had to do with the Russian collusion investigation, which is still ongoing and would appear to directly contradict Obama's statement.

I find it downright comical that you care about integrity.

[nate33]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-fbi-text-doesnt-prove-obama-lied-when-he-said-i-do-not-talk-to-fbi-directors-about-pending-investigations/article/2648408
Pending investigations. Not ongoing investigations. Seems like nit-picking, but there is a difference.
That text really only conflicts with:

Read on Twitter

That's an article written yesterday when many believed the texts referred to the Clinton email investigation, which had been completed at the time and was no longer "pending". It is now generally understood that, based on the timing of the texts, they had to do with the Russian collusion investigation, which is still ongoing and would appear to directly contradict Obama's statement.

I find it downright comical that you care about integrity.

Thank you for that essential contribution to the discussion.

[bealwithit]

Obama is micromanaging on the Russia investigation to such a degree that he is working directly with mid-level agents rather than merely speaking to Comey, and informs Strzok that he "wants to know everything".

He is not going to be able to distance himself from this. If nothing else, it proves that Obama explicitly lied when he said on Fox News: "I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it. I guarantee it,”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-fbi-text-doesnt-prove-obama-lied-when-he-said-i-do-not-talk-to-fbi-directors-about-pending-investigations/article/2648408
Pending investigations. Not ongoing investigations. Seems like nit-picking, but there is a difference.
That text really only conflicts with:

Read on Twitter

That's an article written yesterday when many believed the texts referred to the Clinton email investigation, which had been completed at the time and was no longer "pending". It is now generally understood that, based on the timing of the texts, they had to do with the Russian collusion investigation, which is still ongoing and would appear to directly contradict Obama's statement.

How is that text evidence that Obama worked or spoke directly with Strzok though? I don't think that text is nearly enough to say that definitively. You have to remember that this is just a guy texting someone else. When people text, most of the time they will say things pretty succinctly. Saying that "POTUS wants to know everything we're doing" is not very descriptive at all in terms of who communicated with who, how the communication started or what was specifically asked for.

Is it possible that Obama was notified of the interference as a national security issue and then asked Comey for more information on it, which Comey then notified the investigators of the Russia interference investigation to prepare information for the President? I would not see that as being improper at all in such a unique situation.

I also wouldn't imagine that Obama called up Comey or other intelligence chiefs all the time and was like, "Hey guys, gimme the lowdown on any interesting investigations you guys got going on! Your boy B.O. needs to know!" That's the only way I'd really see his statement as an explicit lie.

The way I see this is one of likely a few last-ditch efforts to create some sort of nefarious or suspicious aura around the Russia investigation by attempting to turn the tables on Obama, the FBI, Comey, Schiff, or really whoever you guys land on after spinning the wheel. Ron Johnson really is trying his best.

[Zonkerbl]

What unsubstantiated suppositions did I make?

He presumably is therefore in the know of various aspects of how the FISA warrant was obtained, who in the Trump campaign was spied on, and who was unmasked and why? Let's just remember that fact as things play out.
PRESUMPTION WITH ZERO VERIFICATION
If any President has the #1 enemy Russia meddling in a Democratic Elections he or she needs to know the facts. That doesn't mean he wants or needs the background!
Sorry Nate!

Obama is micromanaging on the Russia investigation to such a degree that he is working directly with mid-level agents rather than merely speaking to Comey, and informs Strzok that he "wants to know everything".

He is not going to be able to distance himself from this. If nothing else, it proves that Obama explicitly lied when he said on Fox News: "I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it. I guarantee it,”

That seems like a lot to extrapolate from a text from a known blowhard saying "Obama wants to know what we are doing." That could mean anything. My suggestion would be not to rely on any texts from Admiral Szot or whatever his name is as proof of anything. Or to be careful how far down the rabbit hole you go on just one text. This is the same guy who suggested he had a secret society or something and all the conservative blowhards had a conniption over it, making them look absolutely stupid. You don't want to look stupid do you?

[Zonkerbl]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-fbi-text-doesnt-prove-obama-lied-when-he-said-i-do-not-talk-to-fbi-directors-about-pending-investigations/article/2648408
Pending investigations. Not ongoing investigations. Seems like nit-picking, but there is a difference.
That text really only conflicts with:

Read on Twitter

That's an article written yesterday when many believed the texts referred to the Clinton email investigation, which had been completed at the time and was no longer "pending". It is now generally understood that, based on the timing of the texts, they had to do with the Russian collusion investigation, which is still ongoing and would appear to directly contradict Obama's statement.

How is that text evidence that Obama worked or spoke directly with Strzok though? I don't think that text is nearly enough to say that definitively. You have to remember that this is just a guy texting someone else. When people text, most of the time they will say things pretty succinctly. Saying that "POTUS wants to know everything we're doing" is not very descriptive at all in terms of who communicated with who, how the communication started or what was specifically asked for.

Is it possible that Obama was notified of the interference as a national security issue and then asked Comey for more information on it, which Comey then notified the investigators of the Russia interference investigation to prepare information for the President? I would not see that as being improper at all in such a unique situation.

I also wouldn't imagine that Obama called up Comey or other intelligence chiefs all the time and was like, "Hey guys, gimme the lowdown on any interesting investigations you guys got going on! Your boy B.O. needs to know!" That's the only way I'd really see his statement as an explicit lie.

The way I see this is one of likely a few last-ditch efforts to create some sort of nefarious or suspicious aura around the Russia investigation by attempting to turn the tables on Obama, the FBI, Comey, Schiff, or really whoever you guys land on after spinning the wheel. Ron Johnson really is trying his best.

Right? Are you saying Obama doesn't have a right to know about genuine national security threats? Is he not allowed to ask the justice department for a briefing? What in the text indicates that he was doing anything improper?

[JWizmentality]

That's an article written yesterday when many believed the texts referred to the Clinton email investigation, which had been completed at the time and was no longer "pending". It is now generally understood that, based on the timing of the texts, they had to do with the Russian collusion investigation, which is still ongoing and would appear to directly contradict Obama's statement.

I find it downright comical that you care about integrity.

Thank you for that essential contribution to the discussion.

Thank you. The feeling is mutual.

[bealwithit]

Also decided to get a timeline here and look up when exactly Obama was notified of the Russian meddling which was in August 2016.
That interview clip is from April 2016.
The FBI's investigation did not begin until July 2016.
Strzok text in question was sent September 2nd 2016 almost a month after Obama was notified of Russian interference.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.42115b6ce93a

[TGW]

Found this tweet funny and ironic:

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[JWizmentality]

Found this tweet funny and ironic:

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These must be the lazy bums John Kelly spoke of.

[dckingsfan]

Right? Are you saying Obama doesn't have a right to know about genuine national security threats? Is he not allowed to ask the justice department for a briefing? What in the text indicates that he was doing anything improper?

I think that cuts to the chase. If anything, I think it should have been brought up earlier and louder.

This is a foreign power meddling in our elections.

[JWizmentality]

Right? Are you saying Obama doesn't have a right to know about genuine national security threats? Is he not allowed to ask the justice department for a briefing? What in the text indicates that he was doing anything improper?

I think that cuts to the chase. If anything, I think it should have been brought up earlier and louder.

This is a foreign power meddling in our elections.

In a tough position either way. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Some on the right have only just accepted that Russia meddled in this election.

[dckingsfan]

Right? Are you saying Obama doesn't have a right to know about genuine national security threats? Is he not allowed to ask the justice department for a briefing? What in the text indicates that he was doing anything improper?

I think that cuts to the chase. If anything, I think it should have been brought up earlier and louder.

This is a foreign power meddling in our elections.

In a tough position either way. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Some on the right have only just accepted that Russia meddled in this election.

I don't see how ANYONE doesn't believe that the Russians meddled at this point.

I do think that Obama should have come out publicly before the election - but you are right, he would have been damned by both sides.

Regardless, both parties need to go hard after the Russian meddling. If that takes Trump and Obama down too - then so be it. But put an end to this nonsense.

[nate33]

Right? Are you saying Obama doesn't have a right to know about genuine national security threats? Is he not allowed to ask the justice department for a briefing? What in the text indicates that he was doing anything improper?

I said nothing of the sort. I think it's appropriate for Obama to be involved in genuine national security threats.

All I'm saying is that, if there does turn out to be intentional malfeasance in the methods that the government obtained authorization to spy on the Trump campaign, it is unlikely that Obama will be able to plausibly claim that he was totally ignorant of what was going on.