Did the Hawks gain anything?

dlb731 · Post #1 » by **dlb731** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 8:30 pm

Seriously... Did the Hawks gain anything from the trades today? They traded 1 for 1 with the heat, just to release him... And probably going to release Mac as well...

jayu70 · Post #2 » by **jayu70** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 8:32 pm

A roster spot is all.

kg01 · Post #3 » by **kg01** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 8:35 pm

Kicked the can to the Summer, I guess.

Our draft-time moves should be explosive.

dlb731 · Post #4 » by **dlb731** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 8:41 pm

I think the thing that confounds me is the fact they TOLD bellineli they were on track to trade him... Then... *Crickets*...

jayu70 · Post #5 » by **jayu70** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 8:48 pm

dlb731 wrote:I think the thing that confounds me is the fact they TOLD bellineli they were on track to trade him... Then... *Crickets*...

Here:

Read on Twitter

Hawks not interested in taking back bad salary.
I would surmise on the Philly trade they may have wanted us to take back Bayless and his $9 mil this and next season.

King Ken · Post #6 » by **King Ken** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:14 pm

Good teams don't want to trade for rentals and elite ones knows they can get them when buyouts happen. It sucks but it is what it is.

I knew trading Marco and Ersan would be hard and I knew Atlanta wasn't that interested in trading Dedmon.

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #7 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:32 pm

shouldn't have signed them. Hawks knew they were going to lose. Why sign Dedmon; Illya; Beli to one year deals that compromize rebuild?

jayu70 · Post #8 » by **jayu70** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:41 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:shouldn't have signed them. Hawks knew they were going to lose. Why sign Dedmon; Illya; Beli to one year deals that compromize rebuild?

Beli was traded here.
If we had signed Illy to a long term deal last offseason you probably would have been mad.
Like i said before Hawks weren't interested in taking back a bad long term deal for a 2nd round pick - you wouldn't be happy about that either.
Hawks have $21 million in capspace in the offseason. You take on a $10 mil bad deal for a 2nd in a Beli trade is not good business.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #9 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:42 pm

I would be happy with a better draft situation

DirtybirdGA · Post #10 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:42 pm

Nope.

jayu70 · Post #11 » by **jayu70** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:44 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:I would be happy with a better draft situation

Well it's up to Bud to manage the minutes of the vets going forward.

macd-gm · Post #12 » by **macd-gm** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 9:45 pm

tbhawksfan1 · Post #13 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:00 pm

If Dedmon, Illya, Beli cause Hawks to lose a top two slot, it is a major fail. Hawks started the off-season with an epically baren roster and a need to develop for three, four years down the road.

The only validation for signing above (and still here) players was to swing them to improve future assets.

They have already contibuted to counter-productive wins and can only be bought out or contibute to more counter-productive wins

Young players development (minus Schro) is only thing from making this an F effort.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #14 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:02 pm

Hawks are currently firmly ahead in leading the "worst deadline moves" realgm TB tread

tbhawksfan1 · Post #15 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:25 pm

What the Hawks didn't gain is credability. Last season they waffled with the trade KK didn't trade Sap and walked for nada joke. This season it's the recent signings to be moved at the deadline joke.

Post #16 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:52 pm

King Ken wrote:Good teams don't want to trade for rentals and elite ones knows they can get them when buyouts happen. It sucks but it is what it is.

I knew trading Marco and Ersan would be hard and I knew Atlanta wasn't that interested in trading Dedmon.

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That's correct.
It's the nature of the business these days when in the past it would be expected to receive a minimum of a second round pick for each player.

macd-gm · Post #17 » by **macd-gm** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 1:32 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Hawks are currently firmly ahead in leading the "worst deadline moves" realgm TB tread

The Wiz should be leading that by a wide margin. If they think Wall/Beal is an elite backcourt then they are totally mismanaging their chance at actually contending. They have been the biggest pretenders in the league for like 5 years and can't pull off anything when it counts.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #18 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 2:08 pm

It's not that I think the Hawks were the biggest loser. Just that last summer's moves contributed nothing but upping the winning %.

After past failures with Horf, Sap, draft assets ... and the fact that we're in a rebuild started with minimal assets, I want to see positive moves made that contribute to what this team will be in the next 2-5 years.

If NBA strategy is changing, I want TS to be ahead of the curve in finding ways of improving the team.

The only thing I wanted out of last summers FAs was trade bait to improve draft....

Post #19 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 2:22 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:It's not that I think the Hawks were the biggest loser. Just that last summer's moves contributed nothing but upping the winning %.

After past failures with Horf, Sap, draft assets ... and the fact that we're in a rebuild started with minimal assets, I want to see positive moves made that contribute to what this team will be in the next 2-5 years.

If NBA strategy is changing, I want TS to be ahead of the curve in finding ways of improving the team.

The only thing I wanted out of last summers FAs was trade bait to improve draft....

100% agree.

MaceCase · Post #20 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 2:54 pm

There is a need to have an organized system for the young players to play in plus vets to capably demonstrate it even if they are not the best at it. Otherwise you're looking at being Philly whom even after drafting not 1 but 2 studs are barely a .500 team. Bottoming out is only half the battle, having an environment where talent can fully develop and flourish is the 2nd half.