Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[TGW]

The markets have no faith in this president. Or this is how drump would spin it if it were Obama in power.

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But isn't Trump breaking the law and the will of the American people.
Over 90% of the legislators voted on it representing 90% + of the American people!
He only represents less people than Hillary Clinton.
What trade war can Russia have?
Russia is a ally of Syria & Iran?
Russia has zero influence on Chinese policy.
Islamic extremism only if affects the Russian motherland.
Pathetic

For some reason, you don't seem to understand that Trump is also a representation of the will of the American people. Certainly among Republicans, he is liked and trusted far more than Congress.

You don't seem to understand he is the most unpopular President in the 1st year of any in the History of polling where his high was slightly north of 40%. Congress & the Senate are the will of the people as well and in one of the few bipartisan moves was the Russian sanctions. He is defying the American people!

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this is funny. i wonder if a few global/liberal billionaires like soros are purposefully pulling money out of the market so Trump cant help the GOP run on the "stock market" for 2018 midterms. if so, i wonder is they are breaking any laws?

he will still have jobs, GDP, new jobs, low unemployment and better taxes. but if Soros and a few others pull their billions out and keep it out there is nothing Trump can do about it market will stay low.

I think is going to sink to at least 22K in the next few weeks month. Possibly tomorrow? and it has to go back up TO 26-27 in the not too distant future.

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But isn't Trump breaking the law and the will of the American people.
Over 90% of the legislators voted on it representing 90% + of the American people!
He only represents less people than Hillary Clinton.
What trade war can Russia have?
Russia is a ally of Syria & Iran?
Russia has zero influence on Chinese policy.
Islamic extremism only if affects the Russian motherland.
Pathetic

I will answer this one. Congress doesn't get briefed by the CIA regularly nor the FBI regularly nor the state department regularly has Donald Trump would.

through two world wars and many other crisis around the globe Russia has been an ally and remains a natural Ally to the United States. There's no reason for them to not potentially be an ally again

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Ok. Let's just say Russia did interfere in our elections.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying we may need them in the future so just let it slide?

The united states has "meddled" in darn near every single election since we became a "superpower." and rightfully so. we are pushing democracy and we want trade partners to sell our goods.

conversely communists regimes do the same.

Muslim regimes do the same.

Countries just want allies and/or "friendly" political parties to negotiate with. And if you have "dirt" on any given leader of any given state and can get that leader to sign USA friendly trace deals or other? Excellent!! I mean the US has brought about outright regime change via war to at least 5 different countries off of the top of my head and thats in the last 60 years alone and we did this in broad daylight. I have no idea how many other regime changes or elections were swayed form our meddling. And Russia, GB, and germany have been doing the same thing for over 100 years. Before that France. Before them spain and italy. before them greece. This occurs regularly in the middle east and africa as well.

So when the Russia/putin does the same to the united states, we are suppose to have a hissy fit? And why blame the candidates? and there is no evidence that russia helped Trump and more than they helped HRC. both were recipients from some russian mud on the other. rusians for example proved steele with fake Dossier info. HRC paid for that info. and that dossier has created the FISA, then the indictments all stem from that surveillance. Which allowed CNN to go all "Russia!!" on trump for 14 straight months. So Trump will now be staring down the barrel of impeachment after 2018 elections. So one could argue that it was soley HRC that colluded. and solely donald trump that has suffered from russian mud.

Then we should ask, was the election even swayed??? at all?? Obama and the entire intlligence community said, "no."

As an aside, I was voting for bernie the entire way...even though he was fiscally irresponsible, he was a wealth redistributer at heart and everyone here should know that I'm down for that crown. but he lost to HRC in the primary and I already knew about Uranium One and the corrupt clinton foundation for years so there was no way i was voting for that. and then I warmed to trump. Russian mud and facebook bots didn't sway me.

and thats what i find so funny. No one in this thread cares about any laws HRC, or OBAMA or Trump may or may not have broken. All of our minds are made up. No one is swaying them. So why does anyone here think anyone else was swayed by russian mud? and hillary emails? CNN never talked about the damn emails anyway and liberals watch CNN.

So yeah...we need to use some good old fashioned common sense. Nate and I have laid and (exposed really) many corrupt practices and policies and wrongdoings that clearly have ties to HRC and likely Obama. and none of you care. You are all still voting for Obama all over again. And HRC too. save maybe the primaries and some of you would switch to Bernie.

Think about it. And if that's true. and everyone on here reading this thread for the past year knows Im right, then political think tanks know its true as well. No votes were changed. and No collusion with trump even exists. So why russia fever for 13 straight months?? Answer: to rile up their base. To turn out the vote in 2018 and then 2020. Thats all this russia fever is about. riling up their base. And democrats could make the equaling enticing argument that FISA-gate and uranium one are about riling up the conservative base.

Trump is too divisive to be on the fence. In fact the entire GOP is too divisive to be on the fence because you are prolife and anti amnesty and believe in God and Jesus or you are not. These are not "fence" issues. and nearly every single GOP politician runs on this. rare is it a guy like me comes along and supports trump. A guy that can see past all his warts and see the "genius" in him as an agent of change where something good for the country might happen if "we"(CNN) get off his back and let him govern. let him make the tough decisions that no other politician has the courage nor the political capital to make. No one wanted to touch immigration reform because its suicide. and he eats it for breakfast. No one will touch entitlement reform especially social security and he will eat it for lunch on the same day he eats immigration for breakfast. ISIS was a snack in between. Why? because he said decimate them and he will get in front of the cameras and say< "yeah i told them to go decimate them." There has never ever been anything like this. and the people will let him make these impossible to swallow reforms because they believe it will help the country. and it will if he does it right and does NOT have to compromise too much. just make the right business decision. and we just need to get out of his way to let him make those tough decisions that no other politician will make. then let him eventually fall on his own sword once the dirty legislation is passed. and we can all pretend that we "dont support it" even though we know its good for the country.

I just dont think the liberals in this thread fully understand how beneficial it is for a ("cleaner") like trump to be in office every 50 years or so. He is our "reset." Then, after trump, we can get back to the apology tour and keep kicking cans down the road. And giving money away. etc. until everything is a complete mess in another 50 years. then bring in another "cleaner" like trump.

[UcanUwill]

For some reason none of you guys are understanding that Trump has a stronger base support than any other president of the modern era.

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Is he really? Thats kinda sad.

[UcanUwill]

Sounds like we should abolish the electoral college and go with one person = one vote. Who's with me?!??!

Thats what I am thinking, that electoral system makes no sense to me from a foreigners point of view.

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this is funny. i wonder if a few global/liberal billionaires like soros are purposefully pulling money out of the market so Trump cant help the GOP run on the "stock market" for 2018 midterms. if so, i wonder is they are breaking any laws?

he will still have jobs, GDP, new jobs, low unemployment and better taxes. but if Soros and a few others pull their billions out and keep it out there is nothing Trump can do about it market will stay low.

I think is going to sink to at least 22K in the next few weeks month. Possibly tomorrow? and it has to go back up TO 26-27 in the not too distant future.

Didn't you tell us how smart you were pulling your money out of the market!

[cammac]

Trump has basically tied his Presidency to the stock market which is a colossal mistake and just let go a highly qualified head of the Federal Reserve for a much lesser light. His administration is now faced with a abortion of of a tax giveaway which benefits the top 10% and sweeping tax reductions for corporations without reining in loopholes. Added to the budget which is again unfunded and will increase the deficit by over 1 Trillion a year or much more assuming rightfully so that his trickle down economic policy is a bust. Most of you are much too young to have lived in the Reagan years where mortgage rates soared to 16% and higher. His reckless handling of the economy and trade policies are setting America up for high inflation and increased debt. The increases in the budget especially the enormous defense budget which is low return on investment. The administration has killed itself on any meaningful infrastructure program which is absolutely needed which is high return on investment. All you have to do is look at the Amtrack failures to know infrastructure is a mess. Look forward to high inflation and low growth.

[cammac]

I'm beginning to wonder if anyone in the Executive Office has security clearance Porter didn't, Kushner has been feeding off temporary clearance for over a year.

White House Counsel Donald McGahn knew one year ago that staff secretary Rob Porter’s ex-wives had accused him of domestic violence but allowed him to serve as an influential gatekeeper and aide to President Trump, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Chief of Staff John F. Kelly learned this fall about the allegations of spousal abuse and that they were delaying Porter’s security clearance amid an ongoing FBI investigation. But Kelly handed Porter more responsibilities to control the flow of information to the president.

In January 2017, when McGahn learned of the allegations, he wanted Porter to stay put because he saw the Harvard Law-trained Capitol Hill veteran as a steadying, professional voice in the White House, according to people familiar with the matter. His view didn’t change in June when the FBI flagged some of its findings to the White House. Nor did he act in September when he learned that the domestic violence claims were delaying Porter’s security clearance, or in November when Porter’s former girlfriend contacted him about the allegations, according to these people.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/8/1739956/-WH-Counsel-Donald-McGahn-knew-one-year-ago-that-Porter-s-ex-wives-accused-him-of-domestic-violence

[cammac]

Kris Kobech Trumpsters pick to produce a scandal and find those millions of unregistered voters and failed!
Kris Kobech the man who wants to replace Brownbach as Governor of Kansas which might qualify in the Trumpsters definition of a sh-thole country decimated by Republican trickle down economics.
He is in the news again not not for one of his Don Quixote tilting a imaginary windmill. But for a scam!

However, the Better Business Bureau noted in a consumer warning Wednesday that “very little of the money it collects goes to veterans either.”

The bureau, which reviews the integrity of charities and businesses, gave Veterans in Defense of Liberty an “F,” the lowest possible grade on its scale.

A review of the group’s 2014 and 2015 filings with the Internal Revenue Service showed that 94 percent of the money donated to the group went to fundraisers, according to a news release from the Better Business Bureau.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/8/1739888/-Kris-Kobach-s-Veterans-in-Defense-of-Liberty-non-profit-is-apparently-a-scam-according-to-BBB

LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!

[cammac]

When you just watch FOX you miss all that FAKE NEWS

On Wednesday night, Donald Trump vented to advisers that Kelly had not fully briefed him on Porter’s issues with women until recently, two sources told me.

Trump was also not aware of the severity of the alleged abuse until yesterday, when Ivanka walked into the Oval Office and showed her father a photo published in the Daily Mail of Porter’s ex-wife with a black eye. “He was **** pissed,” said one Republican briefed on the conversation.
ACCORDING TO A SOURCE, IVANKA AND JARED KUSHNER HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING POSSIBLE CHIEF-OF-STAFF REPLACEMENTS. THE PROBLEM IS THERE’S NOT AN OBVIOUS CANDIDATE WAITING IN THE WINGS.

So the Trumpster will likely get another chief of staff #3 with the bullet.

This morning, Hicks continued to defend Porter in private, a source said, telling people she thinks the allegations aren’t true. In recent weeks, Trump has been angry at Hicks for her role in approving interviews with Michael Wolff, a Republican close to the White House told me. (The White House did not respond to requests for comment.)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/8/1738767/-As-the-White-House-smolders-45-is-still-angry

[cammac]

REPUBLICAN shutdown.
The Republican Congress can't get enough votes with it's majority to get the budget through.

The Senate will likely end up passing the bill (there's a tiny bit of a question of that, but Paul is probably pissing off enough of them that they'll vote for the damned thing just to spite him) around 3:00. Whether the House will take it up immediately is unknown. Relatively early in the evening, House Republican leadership told members to expect votes at "very roughly 3:00-6:00 a.m."

But Democratic opposition has been solidifying, perhaps because Paul has given everyone enough time to read the thing, and Republican opposition might very well be solidifying too. Congressional reporters having been hearing from Republican leadership that they need anywhere from 40 to 75 Democratic votes to pass it. Which means Paul Ryan is sweating this.

The Democrats in the House want the same deal in the House from Ryan that McConnell gave in the Senate on DACA & Immigration.

Specifically the agreement would:

Extend funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program for 10 years
Include $80 billion in disaster relief funding
Put $6 billion in funding towards opioid and mental health treatment.
$5.8 billion for the bipartisan Child Care Development Block Grant.
$4 billion towards the Veterans Administration to rebuild and improve veterans hospitals and clinics.
$2 billion towards research at the National Institutes of Health.
$20 billion towards infrastructure, including highways, water, wastewater and rural broadband.
$4 billion toward college affordability programs for police officers, teachers and firefighters.
$7 billion in funding and a two year reauthorization for Community Health Centers.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/5/16973924/congress-government-shutdown-spending-daca

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/8/1739945/-Shutdown-watch-Yep-Republicans-are-shutting-this-down

[cammac]

Republicans are just plain heartless!

The rule wouldn’t make it illegal for immigrants to use public services that are open to everyone regardless of immigration status, or that are available to their US-born children. But it would make it possible for the government to deny their applications for a new type of visa, or a green card, if they’d used those services. In other words, it could force them to choose between taking advantage of available social services, and their family’s future ability to stay in the United States permanently.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/8/16993172/trump-regulation-immigrants-benefits-public-charge

[cammac]

It was political expedient for 13 Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee to release the earthshaking Nunes Document
But 10 of the 13 won't say if spying on Carter Page is wrong!
They can't admit that he was a fumbling spy!

All 13 Republicans on the House intelligence committee voted last week to declassify a GOP memo that “raise[s] concerns with the legitimacy and legality” of the process behind placing former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page under surveillance.

But only three of those 13 Republicans are willing to say that Page, who for years has been in contact with Russian spies, shouldn’t have been surveilled by the U.S. government.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-wont-say-if-spying-on-carter-page-was-wrong?ref=home

[cammac]

NBC's Chuck Todd on Thursday unloaded on the Trump administration during "Meet The Press Daily," saying in a lengthy monologue that the Trump presidency was akin to a "parody" of a real administration.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373046-chuck-todd-its-difficult-to-take-the-level-of-crazy-of-this-white-house

[cammac]

FOX the American Olympic team doesn't represent our viewers!

“Unless it’s changed overnight, the motto of the Olympics, since 1894, has been ‘Faster, Higher, Stronger,‘” Moody wrote on foxnews.com hours before official competition would begin at the Winter Games. “It appears the U.S. Olympic Committee would like to change that to ‘Darker, Gayer, Different.’ If your goal is to win medals, that won’t work.”

I know he was speaking for you NATE:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/fox-news-exec-john-moody-team-usa-darker-gayer-different_us_5a7ccf0be4b044b3821b6e35

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this is funny. i wonder if a few global/liberal billionaires like soros are purposefully pulling money out of the market so Trump cant help the GOP run on the "stock market" for 2018 midterms. if so, i wonder is they are breaking any laws?

Another -1000 Pt drop on the Dow today.

I called this a week ago. Look it up. I'm jumping back in it 22500. Oh yeah! Given that I jumped out at around 26000, I am feeling pretty good today.

Whenever your hero tweets something that digs him in to some extreme partisan position, you can almost always find some tweet from the past that directly contradicts it. When you similarly post something that offers some extreme partisan position, sometimes I have to go as far back as the previous day's posts to find that direct contradiction.

Oh, and a team of FBI investigators was unable to find your post predicting this market slide. I think Rose Marie Woods (a Republican, as if you didn't know) accidentally erased the post.

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this is funny. i wonder if a few global/liberal billionaires like soros are purposefully pulling money out of the market so Trump cant help the GOP run on the "stock market" for 2018 midterms. if so, i wonder is they are breaking any laws?

Another -1000 Pt drop on the Dow today.

I called this a week ago. Look it up. I'm jumping back in it 22500. Oh yeah! Given that I jumped out at around 26000, I am feeling pretty good today.

Whenever your hero tweets something that digs him in to some extreme partisan position, you can almost always find some tweet from the past that directly contradicts it. When you similarly post something that offers some extreme partisan position, sometimes I have to go as far back as the previous day's posts to find that direct contradiction.

Oh, and a team of FBI investigators was unable to find your post predicting this market slide. I think Rose Marie Woods (a Republican, as if you didn't know) accidentally erased the post.

Fake News!


On another point. Rachel Maddow did an excellent piece last night on how reckless this administration has been with classified information. Who's wants to take a swing at where this falls on the "Give a damn" meter for but but Hilary's emails Nate?

[Wizardspride]

FOX the American Olympic team doesn't represent our viewers!

“Unless it’s changed overnight, the motto of the Olympics, since 1894, has been ‘Faster, Higher, Stronger,‘” Moody wrote on foxnews.com hours before official competition would begin at the Winter Games. “It appears the U.S. Olympic Committee would like to change that to ‘Darker, Gayer, Different.’ If your goal is to win medals, that won’t work.”

I know he was speaking for you NATE:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/fox-news-exec-john-moody-team-usa-darker-gayer-different_us_5a7ccf0be4b044b3821b6e35