Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lakers are 5-1 in games that Josh Harts starts. Hart has had back to back doubles (15 points and 14 rebounds, 14 points and 11 rebounds) in his last 2 games.

They are calling him Josh ( as in Charles) Barkley.

The Lakers are winning the same way the Wizards started winning before they lost two of the last three games. Los Angeles no longer has the ball-dominant point guard on the floor. They won those home games without Lonzo ball. The same way that Wizards were winning without John Wall.

I don't want to post anything else because I just don't feel like defending my point of view any more

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Grats to Trey Burke for his success this season: 8 games with the Knicks: 24.2 PER with 60% TS% after 24 games in the G League: 24.9 PER with 59% TS%.

To be fair, that's 8 games as a 12 minute per game backup. And 7 of those 8 games were double digit blowouts so the amount of garbage time may have been substantial. He has a sample size of just 101 minutes, all as a bench player.

I'm not hating. Just pointing out that those numbers don't mean all that much yet.

I think what it means - along with the G League stats - that he belongs in the NBA. Obviously, nobody's saying he's going to continue at a 24.2 PER pace with a 60% TS%.

The Washington Wizards never played Trey Burke with John Wall


Perhaps if they had have done that Burke might not have.gone to the G League

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Bucks have tried Plumlees, and now they're trying a Zeller. Unfortunately, it's Tyler instead of Cody, but Tyler's still a usefull player having an excellent shooting tough for a 7 footer and runs the court well. And he's re-united with John Henson - who he played with 2 or 3 years at UNC. They will now share the center position. Thon Maker just wasn't working out as the backup center. People seriously overrated him.

Maker was the classic type of person that the draft over values. Over 7 feet tall.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Cavs are really trying to get Jordan, looking for a 3rd team. I wouldn't be opposed of being that team depending on what they want if we can get rid Meeks or some of these other contracts. I'd like Shumpert on this team.

I like Shumpert, but we already have a better version of him in Sato.

It doesn't really matter anyway. Typically, when teams are looking for a third team, they're looking for someone to absorb salary. We are unable to do so.

If LA does trade Jordan to Cleveland, I would certainly be on the phone trying to see what they would give us in return for Gortat, or to see what it would take for us to dump Mahinmi on them.

The NBA loves retreads and they love familiar names and they prefer black players to guys like Sato.

If Shumpert came here Brooks would never play Sato anymore

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Cavs are really trying to get Jordan, looking for a 3rd team. I wouldn't be opposed of being that team depending on what they want if we can get rid Meeks or some of these other contracts. I'd like Shumpert on this team.

Really curious how talks with Cleveland could possibly gain traction when you consider that they're not willing to send the Brooklyn pick.

What can they possibly send along with their low first rounder that's better than our offer of Oubre and Gortat to make this happen?

(assuming that that rumor is even true)

I seriously doubt that we are willing to send Oubre and Gortat for Jordan.

Frankly, I think the market for Jordan simply isn't that hot. Nobody has any money and they don't want to pay a kajillion dollars for a center who can't be on the floor in crunch time.

Now centers must shoot 3-pointers.

The knee jerk, copycat league is known as the NBA

Since DeAndre Jordan doesn't fit the mold of a Draymond Green they don't want him

His contract is large for a not multi-faceted player

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Bulls got Willie Reed for the corpse of Jameer Nelson.

I'd have been very happy to acquire Willie Reed for Frazier!

It is hard to watch other teams make such free and easy moves.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There is no one on realgm happier than me right now. I truly value IT way more than anyone on the site does right now. I can't believe how everyone is judging him without even giving him a chance to get his game back. When he was traded for Kyrie, I said that I no longer have any worries about beating Boston but I always thought we could beat the Cavs and now I don't.

I just think that him being his size and a lefty was too much for Wall and Brooks low in to figure out. We would never be able to guard him. Now I literally have no fear about Wall VS anyone else and we match up well with everyone when on our game.

I just think when used right, being a lefty is a huge advantage. Harden is awesome and I wanted us to draft him but he wouldn't be as deadly if he were orthodox. That is another reason why I liked us drafting Oubre and I didn't want to match Porter.

IT may have a hip that ended his career but if he is just rusty then the Cavs made a huge mistake

Danny Ainge traded that guy when he hurt his hip.

I wanted the Wizards to beat Boston iso bad yesterday
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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Cavs traded one point guard that eliminated John Wall in the playoffs in 2017 and get another point guard in George Hill in a separte deal that eliminated Wall back in 2014.

If healthy George Hill is going to be nothing but a great help to them

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[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I really don’t understand how Cleveland can pull off that highway robbery.

Both of their big trades were asymmetrical. They got the best players, the most value and critical youth in both trades.... and they held on to their highest draft pick.

Seems rigged.

[queridiculo]

Now centers must shoot 3-pointers.

The knee jerk, copycat league is known as the NBA

Since DeAndre Jordan doesn't fit the mold of a Draymond Green they don't want him

His contract is large for a not multi-faceted player

It's a copycat league until it's not.

Personally I think Jordan is exactly the type of center that would put this team ahead and perhaps now wasn't the time for the Wizards to start getting conservative.

They've burned through so many assets over the years due to Ernie's gross mismanagement that they've essentially backed themselves into a win now corner, but they're still acting like there's some sort of plan they're in the midst of executing that's going to put them over the top.

By extending Wall ahead of schedule they haven't really left themselves much room to maneuver and I would have rather seen them swing for the fences than watch this clueless FO continue to bumble along.

[queridiculo]

I really don’t understand how Cleveland can pull off that highway robbery.

Both of their big trades were asymmetrical. They got the best players, the most value and critical youth in both trades.... and they held on to their highest draft pick.

Seems rigged.

I think they got good value, but I don't buy the notion that these trades were asymmetrical.

The Lakers trade is about even and one could argue it's a bit of an overpay from the Cavs perspective. The Lakers have been looking to shed Clarkson's contract in a salary dump for quite some time and considering that they've got a FRP in return for those cap savings I'd say they came out ahead.

Typically you'd expect a team would have to surrender a pick to clear that kind of salary.

The Utah trade is another one where I feel both teams got good value.

The Jazz weren't going to bring Hood back given how well Mitchell has worked out for them and for them to be able to turn that expiring deal into starting small forward on a bargain deal is probably as good an outcome as they could have hoped for.

Sacramento got rid of a player that doesn't fit the direction of the franchise and that was being paid a ton of money.

Everybody wins in those trades.

[FAH1223]

I really don’t understand how Cleveland can pull off that highway robbery.

Both of their big trades were asymmetrical. They got the best players, the most value and critical youth in both trades.... and they held on to their highest draft pick.

Seems rigged.

I think they got good value, but I don't buy the notion that these trades were asymmetrical.

The Lakers trade is about even and one could argue it's a bit of an overpay from the Cavs perspective. The Lakers have been looking to shed Clarkson's contract in a salary dump for quite some time and considering that they've got a FRP in return for those cap savings I'd say they came out ahead.

Typically you'd expect a team would have to surrender a pick to clear that kind of salary.

The Utah trade is another one where I feel both teams got good value.

The Jazz weren't going to bring Hood back given how well Mitchell has worked out for them and for them to be able to turn that expiring deal into starting small forward on a bargain deal is probably as good an outcome as they could have hoped for.

Sacramento got rid of a player that doesn't fit the direction of the franchise and that was being paid a ton of money.

Everybody wins in those trades.

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I really don’t understand how Cleveland can pull off that highway robbery.

Both of their big trades were asymmetrical. They got the best players, the most value and critical youth in both trades.... and they held on to their highest draft pick.

Seems rigged.

I think they got good value, but I don't buy the notion that these trades were asymmetrical.

The Lakers trade is about even and one could argue it's a bit of an overpay from the Cavs perspective. The Lakers have been looking to shed Clarkson's contract in a salary dump for quite some time and considering that they've got a FRP in return for those cap savings I'd say they came out ahead.

Typically you'd expect a team would have to surrender a pick to clear that kind of salary...

?? You are leaving out Nance, who is a terrific player. Plus, why acquire IT when you're committed to a young point guard whom you picked #2 in the draft?

It's true that Clarkson is over-paid, otoh. But, the Lakers had no $$ problems this year or next. To me it looks like they'll let IT & Frye go at the end of the season.

In effect they got a low R1 pick for Nance & Clarkson.

The Utah trade is another one where I feel both teams got good value.

The Jazz weren't going to bring Hood back given how well Mitchell has worked out for them and for them to be able to turn that expiring deal into starting small forward on a bargain deal is probably as good an outcome as they could have hoped for.

Sacramento got rid of a player that doesn't fit the direction of the franchise and that was being paid a ton of money.

Everybody wins in those trades.

Assuming Crowder returns to form, you are right. On their careers, Crowder is much better than Rodney Hood.

But, this year he was playing badly -- not working out in Cleveland at all. All 3 of the guys that Cleveland send out in that deal were playing bad basketball.

Hood hasn't been any better, but Hill is a huge plus for them. Hence, in terms of immediate benefit on the floor, Cleveland wins that trade as well. & Utah does as well. Sacramento saves some $$ & gets a player who is no help in developing their franchise. They don't have a clue.

[Ruzious]

I don't think Clarkson is even overpaid. People are acting like it should be so hard to trade him - I think that's ridiculous - especially when you combine him with Nance - who's ridiculously underpaid. I'm very skeptical about what LAL's going to accomplish with all that cap space.

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Tough to see Vogel be fired. Had a great year with Indiana that one season. Think he would give the Wizards a better identity on defense

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Tough to see Vogel be fired. Had a great year with Indiana that one season. Think he would give the Wizards a better identity on defense

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He is a much better coach than Scott Brooks IMO, but he must not rub people the right way behind closed doors. Whoever the general manager and the owner are do not have confidence in the guy.

Orlando did stuff with Elfrid Peyton and they had trades. I don't think their losses were on this coach.

He beat Washington for his last game!

[I_Like_Dirt]

He is a much better coach than Scott Brooks IMO, but he must not rub people the right way behind closed doors. Whoever the general manager and the owner are do not have confidence in the guy.

Orlando did stuff with Elfrid Peyton and they had trades. I don't think their losses were on this coach.

He beat Washington for his last game!

Orlando hired Jeff Weltman from Toronto as their GM this last season. I suspect he's looking to rebuild a bit and probably wants to pick his own coach. I wouldn't be at all shocked to see him go back to Toronto for either Nick Nurse or Jerry Stackhouse as his coaching hire, either. And frankly, I think both of those guys are great candidates.