Otto Porter - Part 3

[NatP4]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

[Ruzious]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Or trade up high enough to get a different Dukie, Wendell Carter (probably 8th pick). Does Oubre and the Wiz pick get us the 8th pick? Use part of the MLE to get a wing swingman.

[NatP4]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Or trade up high enough to get a different Dukie, Wendell Carter (probably 8th pick). Does Oubre and the Wiz pick get us the 8th pick? Use part of the MLE to get a wing swingman.

yeah thats the other scenario I was thinking of, but what if Ernie swings and misses? alot more pressure on that one lottery pick. I really really really really really like Metu, the guy from USC, I think he's going to be a steal. He's my favorite out of all the bigs in the 10-30 range, i'll do some homework on Wendell Carter and the other top guys though.

And I also think Grayson Allen is going to be pure scorer at the NBA level like Booker and Beal.

[Ruzious]

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Or trade up high enough to get a different Dukie, Wendell Carter (probably 8th pick). Does Oubre and the Wiz pick get us the 8th pick? Use part of the MLE to get a wing swingman.

yeah thats the other scenario I was thinking of, but what if Ernie swings and misses? alot more pressure on that one lottery pick. I really really really really really like Metu, the guy from USC, I think he's going to be a steal. He's my favorite out of all the bigs in the 10-30 range, i'll do some homework on Wendell Carter and the other top guys though.

And I also think Grayson Allen is going to be pure scorer at the NBA level like Booker and Beal.

I've heard some good things about Metu - gotta check up on him. Thing about Allen - I think he might have been better off coming out a year or even 2 years ago. The last couple of times I've seen him, he's looked slow and sluggish. Maybe he needs to trip someone to get that edge back.

[NatP4]

Or trade up high enough to get a different Dukie, Wendell Carter (probably 8th pick). Does Oubre and the Wiz pick get us the 8th pick? Use part of the MLE to get a wing swingman.

yeah thats the other scenario I was thinking of, but what if Ernie swings and misses? alot more pressure on that one lottery pick. I really really really really really like Metu, the guy from USC, I think he's going to be a steal. He's my favorite out of all the bigs in the 10-30 range, i'll do some homework on Wendell Carter and the other top guys though.

And I also think Grayson Allen is going to be pure scorer at the NBA level like Booker and Beal.

I've heard some good things about Metu - gotta check up on him. Thing about Allen - I think he might have been better off coming out a year or even 2 years ago. The last couple of times I've seen him, he's looked slow and sluggish. Maybe he needs to trip someone to get that edge back.

seriously, watch some footage of Metu, its jaw dropping stuff, and seems to be a very intelligent player. I've been trying to figure out what the knock on him is? why he's projected late 1st outside of being a junior? maybe that's just it? I don't know the history on drafting upper classmen bigs, Portis didn't go so well, nor did Jarrell Martin and Trey Lyles.

[Ruzious]

If we keep the pick, there's a sleeper I like - Michael Porter's brother, Jontay. Very young, so he'll need some time to adjust to the NBA, but he's starting to light it up at both ends of the floor.

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[nate33]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

Seeing Lou Williams get an extension for just $8M a year is a big relief. I don't think there's any money left for free agents. We won't see any more $17M a year contracts for average starting wings. There won't be anymore Evan Turner/Kent Bazemore tier players making insane money. I think Oubre is going to get $10-12M a year, not $18M.

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This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Any player on the team ought to be available in a trade -- it all depends what you get back.

Wilson Chandler is a journeyman. Crowder plus a R1 pick would have to depend on where the pick was. Crowder plus picking Grayson Allen doesn't work for me.

I don't agree that the limits on Oubre's BBIQ are so obvious -- nor did I hear anything about that from current critics earlier this season when his shooting numbers were better.

Oubre is very young, & he had pretty limited experience in high level organized basketball before he was drafted. He improved his 2d year, & he's improved again his 3d year. I don't know how good he'll wind up being; no one knows that. But, I'm not seeing the negative indications some people claim to see.

Again, that doesn't mean I'd be reluctant to trade him. But it'd take a better offer than you seem to have in mind, Nat.

[payitforward]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

Seeing Lou Williams get an extension for just $8M a year is a big relief. I don't think there's any money left for free agents. We won't see any more $17M a year contracts for average starting wings. There won't be anymore Evan Turner/Kent Bazemore tier players making insane money. I think Oubre is going to get $10-12M a year, not $18M.

Plus, the very point you make renders it unlikely we'd find it easy to trade Beal or Porter -- & even harder to trade Wall. Not to mention getting rid of Mahinmi's idiotic contract.

Which may mean that Oubre is out of our range even at that $10-12m number.

[Knicksfan20]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Or trade up high enough to get a different Dukie, Wendell Carter (probably 8th pick). Does Oubre and the Wiz pick get us the 8th pick? Use part of the MLE to get a wing swingman.

As a Knick fan if we end up with pick 10-11 and carter on the board I would do this deal. I like Oubre and he fits a need.

[nate33]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

Seeing Lou Williams get an extension for just $8M a year is a big relief. I don't think there's any money left for free agents. We won't see any more $17M a year contracts for average starting wings. There won't be anymore Evan Turner/Kent Bazemore tier players making insane money. I think Oubre is going to get $10-12M a year, not $18M.

Plus, the very point you make renders it unlikely we'd find it easy to trade Beal or Porter -- & even harder to trade Wall. Not to mention getting rid of Mahinmi's idiotic contract.

Which may mean that Oubre is out of our range even at that $10-12m number.

Looking at the cap projections, when Oubre and Sato are due for extensions, we will only have Wall, Beal, Porter and Mahinmi on the books. That's $107.5M. The luxtax threshold will probably be $122M or so. We'll have two 1st round picks to pay (assuming one isn't traded) so that's a payroll of $112M or so. Another 7 vet minimum players so that's about $121M before resigning Oubre or Sato.

You're right. That's a grim scenario. I figure Ted will pay one year of heavy luxtax to get us past the final year of Mahinmi's deal, so he'll probably be willing to keep Oubre. After all, somebody needs to start at forward.

The more likely scenario is that our 2019 1st is moved at the trade deadline next year in order to exchange Mahinmi for an expiring contract. Or, preferably, we trade Wall to LA this summer and hopefully get Kemba Walker back in a 3-way transaction.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

I am not a fan of Grayson Allen.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Or trade up high enough to get a different Dukie, Wendell Carter (probably 8th pick). Does Oubre and the Wiz pick get us the 8th pick? Use part of the MLE to get a wing swingman.

I would be all in on this. Wendell Carter is a beast.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we keep the pick, there's a sleeper I like - Michael Porter's brother, Jontay. Very young, so he'll need some time to adjust to the NBA, but he's starting to light it up at both ends of the floor.

Jonray is a little slow and he's a little weak but he's an excellent pass or any thinks the game well.

There are a lot of other bigs though that I like better.

[Ruzious]

If we keep the pick, there's a sleeper I like - Michael Porter's brother, Jontay. Very young, so he'll need some time to adjust to the NBA, but he's starting to light it up at both ends of the floor.

Jonray is a little slow and he's a little weak but he's an excellent pass or any thinks the game well.

There are a lot of other bigs though that I like better.

Remember, he'll likely be the youngest player in the draft - if he goes in it. And he's already bigger than older bro Michael - who projects as a 4 and was projected to be the 1st pick in the draft before his injury. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 7 feet by draft time. And look at his last couple of games - there's some dramatic improvement there. I don't see him on any mocks now, but... I think it's just a matter of time.

[Ruzious]

This probably isn't a poplular thought here, but I'd be looking to trade Ouber this offseason - partly because of the cap and tax issues, but also because I don't think he has a high basketball IQ. Granted he's only 22 and will likely improve, but I don't see the likelihood of him excelling at either end of the court. And his stats are nowhere near Otto's. People think he's a great defender, but he makes too many mistakes and really isn't able to use his length to stop people from shooting over him. Short-armed Marcus Morris backed him down several times in the 4th quarter and made shots right over the top of him. I doubt that happens against Ariza or Porter. Marcus is usually a face the basket jump shooter - not a post-up guy.

I would love to turn Oubre into a useful rotation wing player, like a Wilson Chandler or Jae Crowder type plus another 1st round pick and take Grayson Allen

I share your concerns about his basketball IQ. I think his ceiling is a solid 3&D player but I have serious questions about wether or not his low basketball IQ will allow him to reach even that.

Any player on the team ought to be available in a trade -- it all depends what you get back.

Wilson Chandler is a journeyman. Crowder plus a R1 pick would have to depend on where the pick was. Crowder plus picking Grayson Allen doesn't work for me.

I don't agree that the limits on Oubre's BBIQ are so obvious -- nor did I hear anything about that from current critics earlier this season when his shooting numbers were better.

Oubre is very young, & he had pretty limited experience in high level organized basketball before he was drafted. He improved his 2d year, & he's improved again his 3d year. I don't know how good he'll wind up being; no one knows that. But, I'm not seeing the negative indications some people claim to see.

Again, that doesn't mean I'd be reluctant to trade him. But it'd take a better offer than you seem to have in mind, Nat.

See the bolded part. You make those kind of unnecessary and usually wrong (as it is in this case) needling comments too often. People here and everywhere have talked about his low BBIQ all last season and all this season. Disagreeing is perfectly fine, but please stop with your superiority complex.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we keep the pick, there's a sleeper I like - Michael Porter's brother, Jontay. Very young, so he'll need some time to adjust to the NBA, but he's starting to light it up at both ends of the floor.

Jonray is a little slow and he's a little weak but he's an excellent pass or any thinks the game well.

There are a lot of other bigs though that I like better.

Remember, he'll likely be the youngest player in the draft - if he goes in it. And he's already bigger than older bro Michael - who projects as a 4 and was projected to be the 1st pick in the draft before his injury. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 7 feet by draft time. And look at his last couple of games - there's some dramatic improvement there. I don't see him on any mocks now, but... I think it's just a matter of time.

Yes, he even said in a clip that I saw that doctor said he would be over 7 ft tall.

I will check his last few games out. Thanks, Ruzious.

It will be great to see his brother cleared to play this season. That would make Missouri something to watch in the NCAA tournament.

[NatP4]

Michael Porter is expected to be back before the tourney. Should be exciting

[NatP4]

Jonray is a little slow and he's a little weak but he's an excellent pass or any thinks the game well.

There are a lot of other bigs though that I like better.

Remember, he'll likely be the youngest player in the draft - if he goes in it. And he's already bigger than older bro Michael - who projects as a 4 and was projected to be the 1st pick in the draft before his injury. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 7 feet by draft time. And look at his last couple of games - there's some dramatic improvement there. I don't see him on any mocks now, but... I think it's just a matter of time.

Yes, he even said in a clip that I saw that doctor said he would be over 7 ft tall.

I will check his last few games out. Thanks, Ruzious.

It will be great to see his brother cleared to play this season. That would make Missouri something to watch in the NCAA tournament.



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Jontay is great, I’ve been able to watch him all year in person, he really does it all. 12 rebounds 3 blocks per 40. Has an effortless jumpshot, great basketball IQ. Only 17 years old.

I don’t think he’s going to enter the draft, probably no chance at all IMO, especially if MPJR comes back, but he would be a tremendous upside pick especially if he drops all the way to the 20s