Our Next Big Piece

[DetroitPistons]

Throughout this early season I was trying to look for a big piece that we could add to actually make us respectable. I noticed that LAC was going nowhere fast and was surprised that they would want Griffin long term so I pinpointed him as a potential trade target. Miraculously, I actually called that one correctly. I'm very happy he is here long term but I still have my doubts about even making the playoffs this season based on lack of chemistry, Jackson's injury, and the top 8 teams in the East being pretty solid.

My question is, who should we be targeting for the future? Assuming our pick conveys this season, we will have some really nice trade pieces for another blockbuster move. We could offer multiple first rounders, Kennard, Bullock, and Johnson as valuable pieces. However, I've looked at the rosters throughout the league and I noticed a lack of potential wing options for us. So, who do you guys think we should be targeting next? If we could add an allstar/borderline allstar wing to Jackson/Griffin/Drummond I think we would be the best team in the East. Or perhaps maybe some people want to upgrade at PG with our assets instead of the wing. What do you guys think?

[Pugz]

we add what youre asking and we have no bench. this team does need a scorer on the wing in the worst way, if one can be had cheap - go for it. right now, we just have to ride this out and see if the team truly does not want to get into tax territory this summer.

[sc8581]

If our wings are hitting shots and playing decent defense, PG is probably the position we should try to upgrade.

[buzzkilloton]

We can only add through the draft. Were capped out now. Were paying Blake and Drummond boat loads for the next 4 and 5 seasons in Blakes case. Rjax is making 17.5mill per until through 2020. We got Luer on the bookers for 10mill the next 3. Galloway 7mill the next 3. Hell Josh Smith is under contract for 5mill per through 2020.

No moneys coming off for a LONG time. The roster you see now is your detroit pistons. Since we shipped out our 1st rounder our only hope is Stanley or Kennard develop into a all star.

Sucks because alot of teams will have no cap spaces in the coming years. So we could of actually got a couple decent mid level free agents on but now we've got no draft picks nor cap space to do anything with.

[MotownMadness]

We can only add through the draft. Were capped out now. Were paying Blake and Drummond boat loads for the next 4 and 5 seasons in Blakes case. Rjax is making 17.5mill per until through 2020. We got Luer on the bookers for 10mill the next 3. Galloway 7mill the next 3. Hell Josh Smith is under contract for 5mill per through 2020.

No moneys coming off for a LONG time. The roster you see now is your detroit pistons. Since we shipped out our 1st rounder our only hope is Stanley or Kennard develop into a all star.

Sucks because alot of teams will have no cap spaces in the coming years. So we could of actually got a couple decent mid level free agents on but now we've got no draft picks nor cap space to do anything with.

we will have all of our picks back and can add a young player with multiple 1st if need be in a trade for another big piece. We really didn't lose much of anything but a mid 1st round pick in the Blake deal and all is well in my opinion.

[buzzkilloton]

We can only add through the draft. Were capped out now. Were paying Blake and Drummond boat loads for the next 4 and 5 seasons in Blakes case. Rjax is making 17.5mill per until through 2020. We got Luer on the bookers for 10mill the next 3. Galloway 7mill the next 3. Hell Josh Smith is under contract for 5mill per through 2020.

No moneys coming off for a LONG time. The roster you see now is your detroit pistons. Since we shipped out our 1st rounder our only hope is Stanley or Kennard develop into a all star.

Sucks because alot of teams will have no cap spaces in the coming years. So we could of actually got a couple decent mid level free agents on but now we've got no draft picks nor cap space to do anything with.

we will have all of our picks back and can add a young player with multiple 1st if need be in a trade for another big piece. We really didn't lose much of anything but a mid 1st round pick in the Blake deal and all is well in my opinion.

We can go all out nets style and go all in shipping out "multiple first" for a player I guess. I'm sure SVG would be down to make a move that will trade all of our future picks for a marginal player or something to add a Fournier level player. Were not going to get a good young player with 1st round picks though. Teams dont give up good young players very often.

We wont have a pick in this years draft. We've got no cap space for free agency. We cant add any "BIG" pieces. The next time we have a 1st rounder will be a complete year away which I'd imagine is going to be around 18-22 if everybody stays healthy.

What we lost in the Blake deal was all of our future cap space and what would of amounted to a top 10 lotto pick in a stacked draft. Possibly could of got a late first rounder from a team for Bradley as well.

[MotownMadness]

We can only add through the draft. Were capped out now. Were paying Blake and Drummond boat loads for the next 4 and 5 seasons in Blakes case. Rjax is making 17.5mill per until through 2020. We got Luer on the bookers for 10mill the next 3. Galloway 7mill the next 3. Hell Josh Smith is under contract for 5mill per through 2020.

No moneys coming off for a LONG time. The roster you see now is your detroit pistons. Since we shipped out our 1st rounder our only hope is Stanley or Kennard develop into a all star.

Sucks because alot of teams will have no cap spaces in the coming years. So we could of actually got a couple decent mid level free agents on but now we've got no draft picks nor cap space to do anything with.

we will have all of our picks back and can add a young player with multiple 1st if need be in a trade for another big piece. We really didn't lose much of anything but a mid 1st round pick in the Blake deal and all is well in my opinion.

We wont have a pick in this years draft. We've got no cap space free agency. We cant add any "BIG" pieces. The next time we have a 1st rounder will be a complete year away which I'd imagine is going to be around 18-22 if everybody stays healthy.

What we lost in the Blake deal was all of our future cap space and what would of amounted to a top 10 lotto pick in a stacked draft. Possibly could of got a late first rounder from a team for Bradley as well.

-Don't care about cap space when we can't get FAs
-The pick will be late lotto at worst
- the second the pick converts in June we are free to trade any and have complete control of our future 1st.
- when another AllStar level player becomes available we will have enough assets to get it done and live off vets filling out voids like every other top playoff team.

[buzzkilloton]

we will have all of our picks back and can add a young player with multiple 1st if need be in a trade for another big piece. We really didn't lose much of anything but a mid 1st round pick in the Blake deal and all is well in my opinion.

We wont have a pick in this years draft. We've got no cap space free agency. We cant add any "BIG" pieces. The next time we have a 1st rounder will be a complete year away which I'd imagine is going to be around 18-22 if everybody stays healthy.

What we lost in the Blake deal was all of our future cap space and what would of amounted to a top 10 lotto pick in a stacked draft. Possibly could of got a late first rounder from a team for Bradley as well.

-Don't care about cap space when we can't get FAs
-The pick will be late lotto at worst
- the second the pick converts in June we are free to trade any and have complete control of our future 1st.
- when another AllStar level player becomes available we will have enough assets to get it done and live off vets filling out voids like every other top playoff team.

*In a couple seasons nobody will have any cap space due to how many recent bad contracts were giving out, so we may of been able to sign some free agents for once. 2019 has a nice free agent class and nobody has money due to the Luers of the world making 10mill a year. Alot of bad contracts were signed that season.

*the pick would of been top 6-10 if we didnt trade for Blake

*top playoff teams build through the draft and then trade for a star vet/sign a big free agent vet. Were currently a capped out lotto team with no first round pick

[MotownMadness]

We wont have a pick in this years draft. We've got no cap space free agency. We cant add any "BIG" pieces. The next time we have a 1st rounder will be a complete year away which I'd imagine is going to be around 18-22 if everybody stays healthy.

What we lost in the Blake deal was all of our future cap space and what would of amounted to a top 10 lotto pick in a stacked draft. Possibly could of got a late first rounder from a team for Bradley as well.

-Don't care about cap space when we can't get FAs
-The pick will be late lotto at worst
- the second the pick converts in June we are free to trade any and have complete control of our future 1st.
- when another AllStar level player becomes available we will have enough assets to get it done and live off vets filling out voids like every other top playoff team.

*In a couple seasons nobody will have any cap space due to how many recent bad contracts were giving out, so we may of been able to sign some free agents for once
*the pick would of been top 6-10 if we didnt trade for Blake*
*top playoff teams build through the draft and then trade for vets were currently a capped out lotto team with no first round pick

Ok your listening to too much Mike Valenti and concerning yourself with a Hinkie avenue that doesn't exist here.

Unless your fully bottoming out to get in that top 3 then mid to late lottery picks aren't putting us in a better position then having Drummond and Griffin both locked up.

All that would have happened was we would win more meaningless games at the end of the year like always giving us the 12th pick or so best case.

Instead we traded a mid 1st rounder to upgrade from Tobias to Griffin. Yes it's expensive but once that pick converts in a couple months we have all the same assets besides Tobias is now Blake.

Bad teams with good players every season give up like with Blake and will take back a bad contract with a young player and a 1st or two depending on the player.

[buzzkilloton]

Nah im listening to nearly every sports writer, reading multiple nba websites, and listening to pods actually. Valenti is one of many people who agree with me on the trade. Jalen Rose is the only guy ive seen disagree whos obv LOL.

Not even saying to go the Hinkiee avenue. More just taking the draft young guys approach play them with Drummond and develop talent rather then trying to chase a 1st round playoff berth every year. Once you land a few team changing rookies in the draft then go after a Blake or whatever other Vet you want. Seems like a pretty reasonable way to build a team.

Actually mid to late lotto picks can be great u just have to pick the right players ALA D.Booker and D.Mitchell. The warriors built there roster with mid lotto picks not the top picks. You dont have to win the lottery you just have to draft good players.

So if we would of ended up with the 12pick as best case without making a move for Blake your saying we should easily finish much higher with Blake correct? Everything im looking at has us between 35-50% to make the playoffs which seems like close to the same we would of finished without Blake by your estimations of us getting a 12pick without this trade.

The clippers gave up Blake and were a better team then us. Before and after the trade they are still a better team then us. They also have the great Jerry West making decisions for them while we have SVG.

[MotownMadness]

Nah im listening to nearly every sports writer, reading multiple nba websites, and listening to pods actually. Valenti is one of many people who agree with me on the trade. Jalen Rose is the only guy ive seen disagree whos obv LOL.

Not even saying to go the Hinkiee avenue. More just taking the draft young guys approach play them with Drummond and develop talent rather then trying to chase a 1st round playoff berth every year. Once you land a few team changing rookies in the draft then go after a Blake or whatever other Vet you want. Seems like a pretty reasonable way to build a team.

Actually mid to late lotto picks can be great u just have to pick the right players ALA D.Booker and D.Mitchell.

So if we would of ended up with the 12pick as best case without making a move for Blake your saying we should easily finish much higher with Blake correct? Everything im looking at has us between 35-50% to make the playoffs which seems like close to the same we would of finished without Blake by your estimations of us getting a 12pick without this trade.

The clippers gave up Blake and were a better team then us. Before and after the trade they are still a better team then us. They also have the great Jerry West making decisions for them while we have SVG.

Yeah like we haven't been doing exactly what you just said picking mid to late lottery for 10 years now. Where does that get you? You have to have the best by getting a top pick not the way you want while developing Drummond.

So literally you just want to do what we did anyways loading up with guys like SJ, Monroe, Drummond, KCP, Kennard in the mid lottery and then go sign a guy like Griffin which we can't do anyways but have to wait for the right trade again.

[buzzkilloton]

Nah im listening to nearly every sports writer, reading multiple nba websites, and listening to pods actually. Valenti is one of many people who agree with me on the trade. Jalen Rose is the only guy ive seen disagree whos obv LOL.

Not even saying to go the Hinkiee avenue. More just taking the draft young guys approach play them with Drummond and develop talent rather then trying to chase a 1st round playoff berth every year. Once you land a few team changing rookies in the draft then go after a Blake or whatever other Vet you want. Seems like a pretty reasonable way to build a team.

Actually mid to late lotto picks can be great u just have to pick the right players ALA D.Booker and D.Mitchell.

So if we would of ended up with the 12pick as best case without making a move for Blake your saying we should easily finish much higher with Blake correct? Everything im looking at has us between 35-50% to make the playoffs which seems like close to the same we would of finished without Blake by your estimations of us getting a 12pick without this trade.

The clippers gave up Blake and were a better team then us. Before and after the trade they are still a better team then us. They also have the great Jerry West making decisions for them while we have SVG.

Yeah like we haven't been doing exactly you just said picking mid to late lottery for 10 years now. Where does that get you? You have to have the best by getting a top pick not the way you want while developing Drummond.

So literally you just want to do what we did anyways loading up with guys like SJ, Monroe, Drummond, KCP, Kennard in the mid lottery and then go sign a guy like Griffin which we can't do anyways but have to wait for the right trade again.

Personally I'd hire a new GM who can draft players and get a coach who can develop the talent. Just because most those picks havent worked doesnt mean it wont work in the future. Curry was a 7pick Klay was a 11 pick. Drummond was a 9th pick. You dont need to pick 1st you just need to draft and develop talent. The key reason to do it this way is the players are under cheap contracts and your control for 10 years rather then going after trades of vets on huge contracts.

The pistons always want go after some big name player through free agency or the draft like J.Smith,B,gordon, and now Blake Griffin. This is the same model the Knicks have been using to build their team over the past years. It just doesnt work.

Really all we needed was to pick ONE more young star on a cheap rookie deal to add next to Drummond and then we could go after a guy in a trade. We were right there 2 of the past 3 seasons with Booker/Mitchell. We just chose wrong. We were really close to having a chance at a great team. We just didnt have patience because SVG's contract is running out of time. We were close to having something nice but the master of panic couldnt wait for the right guy to come in the draft next to Drummond.

[MotownMadness]

Nah im listening to nearly every sports writer, reading multiple nba websites, and listening to pods actually. Valenti is one of many people who agree with me on the trade. Jalen Rose is the only guy ive seen disagree whos obv LOL.

Not even saying to go the Hinkiee avenue. More just taking the draft young guys approach play them with Drummond and develop talent rather then trying to chase a 1st round playoff berth every year. Once you land a few team changing rookies in the draft then go after a Blake or whatever other Vet you want. Seems like a pretty reasonable way to build a team.

Actually mid to late lotto picks can be great u just have to pick the right players ALA D.Booker and D.Mitchell.

So if we would of ended up with the 12pick as best case without making a move for Blake your saying we should easily finish much higher with Blake correct? Everything im looking at has us between 35-50% to make the playoffs which seems like close to the same we would of finished without Blake by your estimations of us getting a 12pick without this trade.

The clippers gave up Blake and were a better team then us. Before and after the trade they are still a better team then us. They also have the great Jerry West making decisions for them while we have SVG.

Yeah like we haven't been doing exactly you just said picking mid to late lottery for 10 years now. Where does that get you? You have to have the best by getting a top pick not the way you want while developing Drummond.

So literally you just want to do what we did anyways loading up with guys like SJ, Monroe, Drummond, KCP, Kennard in the mid lottery and then go sign a guy like Griffin which we can't do anyways but have to wait for the right trade again.

Personally I'd hire a new GM who can draft players and get a coach who can develop the talent. Just because most those picks havent worked doesnt mean it wont work in the future. Curry was a 7pick Klay was a 11 pick. Drummond was a 9th pick. You dont need to pick 1st you just need to draft and develop talent. The key reason to do it this way is the players are under cheap contracts and your control for 10 years rather then going after trades of vets on huge contracts.

The pistons always want go after some big name player through free agency or the draft like J.Smith,B,gordon, and now Blake Griffin. This is the same model the Knicks have been using to build their team over the past years. It just doesnt work.

Really all we needed was to pick ONE more young star on a cheap rookie deal to add next to Drummond and then we could go after a guy in a trade. We were right there 2 of the past 3 seasons with Booker/Mitchell. We just chose wrong. We were really close to having a chance at a great team. We just didnt have patience because SVG's contract is running out of time. We were close to having something nice but the master of panic couldnt wait for the right guy to come in the draft next to Drummond.

Yeah you just got to draft right, Jazz were a playoff team that did they're homework and traded up for Mitchell for example. Kawhi was taken at what like 15th by a playoff team Spurs?

I agree with you there but I have no problem with letting go of one mid 1st right now to upgrade Tobias to Griffin to finish up the Drummond era here.

[vic]

The piece was Donovan Mitchell. SVG missed. Dynasty is over.

Trading is part of building a team, and yes SVG makes great trades.

However, no NBA team can succeed long term without drafting well and developing their picks. If you miss, your a mediocre team trying to trade your way into a championship. Not gonna work in today's NBA.

SVG saved his job, hopefully they'll go far in the playoffs. But as far as long term success? Not gonna happen with this regime unless they learn how to see the best talent and draft it whether it's pick 5, 15, 25, or 35. That's what the good teams do now.

[vege]

Who will be the next star/all star available? The answer is pretty obvious and everyone knows. Kemba Walker and he will have almost no value because he will be an expiring. Charlotte won't be able to dump Batum using Kemba for example, they are ****.

Another guy who should be attainable is Tyreke Evans, he could be amazing in SJ's role but he is kinda a high usage player (almost 30%) not sure if he would fit with Reggie (26%) and Blake (29%). Andre's touches/shots would be reduced for sure (which would be great for us) but he would probably be disgruntled. And while Tyreke's defense has been ok, he is not as good as Stanley on defense.

There is another thing, Kennard might become something special. He is +119 so far this season, by far the highest in our team. We need to run some plays for him and give him more shots, he is very efficient on low usage (16%) I wonder how efficient he would be on 20-25% usage. Would he put up numbers close to what Markkanen and Mitchell are getting? Mitchell is Utah's first option, Luke is Detroit's 3rd or 4th when he is on the floor (at best)...

If he can be as efficient as he has been with more shots and make less mistakes on defense, he might as well be our next big piece.

[sfballa13]

Elfrid Payton...oops sorry i forgot

[Canadafan]

Throughout this early season I was trying to look for a big piece that we could add to actually make us respectable. I noticed that LAC was going nowhere fast and was surprised that they would want Griffin long term so I pinpointed him as a potential trade target. Miraculously, I actually called that one correctly. I'm very happy he is here long term but I still have my doubts about even making the playoffs this season based on lack of chemistry, Jackson's injury, and the top 8 teams in the East being pretty solid.

My question is, who should we be targeting for the future? Assuming our pick conveys this season, we will have some really nice trade pieces for another blockbuster move. We could offer multiple first rounders, Kennard, Bullock, and Johnson as valuable pieces. However, I've looked at the rosters throughout the league and I noticed a lack of potential wing options for us. So, who do you guys think we should be targeting next? If we could add an allstar/borderline allstar wing to Jackson/Griffin/Drummond I think we would be the best team in the East. Or perhaps maybe some people want to upgrade at PG with our assets instead of the wing. What do you guys think?

I think our best hope is for RJ to be healthy and trade the bolded or some of the bolded to get a wing. That's a big "if" with Reggie but here's hoping with all this time he's had off, that not only is his ankle healed, but his tendinitis too.
I like Stanley's progress and Luke's potential though. Maybe all the stars align and Luke breaks out.... SJ keeps improving.... Bullock keeps shooting this well.... And Ennis comes in and plays amazing.... And RJ comes back incredibly healthy and looks like the guy we first traded for. Fingers crossed
When all that hopefully happens, we trade em all in the offseason for Lillard

[ImHeisenberg]

Reggie is our only hope for the remainder of this season, sadly.

Looking ahead to the summer, our next big piece would have to be acquired via a trade. And, there's honestly too many variables to gauge that one. If Reggie comes back this season, and looks good, he becomes an asset that we can trade.

As for who will be available? Can't say with any certainty. I couldn't have predicted Irving would demand a trade last summer. But, the Celtics loom as the best trade partner for any team looking to unload a superstar, and every reporter says they're targeting Anthony Davis this summer, or next year. They have so many assets, they can offer the best package to any team. Whereas, we blew almost all of our assets on Ennis and Griffin.

[Kilo]

Luka Doncic. We winning the lottery.

[Canadafan]

Leuer+Galloway for Bazemore or Fournier

C-Drummond Moreland
PF-Blake Ellenson
SF-SJ Bullock
SG-Bazemore or Fournier Luke
PG-RJ Ish

Top4 team in the East
Let's go!